posted August 24, 2014 02:22 PM            

BTW if an aspect in natal synastry is VERY exact, it will repeat in the Duad.

For example Mr Sag and me have his Mars in Virgo opposite my Pisces-Jupiter with an orb of 0°06, this translates onto the Duad level as an opposition of his Duad Mars on 13.11 Capricorn opposing my Duad Jupiter on 14.34 Cancer.

posted August 24, 2014 02:45 PM            

Doing that, my Dwad chart is so very different rom my egocentred natal chart with:

Sun, Mercury, South Node in Libra in the 8th house
Moon in Leo conjunct the DESC
and Jupiter in Cancer in the 5th house.

Venus still in 1st house, but in Pisces, conjunct VErtex.

Saturn-Pluto-conjunction in Cap in 11th house, BML and Vesta conj. in 11th house, too.

My Dwad chart couldn`t be more relationship-oriented. lol (though the Saturn-Pluto, BMLVesta in the house of love received, looks a little harsh. lol).

I also have a Grand trine of

Venus on 13 Pisces in 1st
Uranus on 16 Pisces in 9th (chartruler)
Jupiter on 14 Cancer in 5th

and the BML-VESTA on 13 and 16 Cap in 11th house making this a Kite, through opposition to Jupiter.

So THAT is what is going on on the internal level of my soul. lol

posted August 24, 2014 02:48 PM            

of Jupiter on 14 Cancer in 5th
BML on 13 Cap in 11th
Sun on 11 LIbra in 8th
POF on 11 Aries in 2nd

Maybe VESTA on 16 Cap and Pluto on 18 Cap, are widely involved as well. Well Vesta is on the midpoint of BML/Pluto.

posted August 24, 2014 03:22 PM            

Mr Sag and me don`t have anything remotely comparable to that.

just a sextile between his Dwad Sun and my Dwad Moon.

my Dwad Moon trine our natal luminary stellium including my Sun-Mercury and his Sun-Moon-MC.

and well we could count his Dwad Sun sextile the same, maybe

m Dwad Moon 25 Leo
his Dwad Sun 23 Libra

posted August 25, 2014 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I read different takes on this.

I usedt o agree with you that the Duad person is feeling it most internally and intense.
However other people described different reactions.

I was thinking that possibly our receptive planets Moon an dVenus are most prone to the, well, receptivity.

So a tropical Moon and Venus might actually feel the Duad Sun and Duad Mars mroe acutely than the Duad person. Dunno if that is really true though.

I know Alice portmans article and take, and though I generally agree with the line of thought, it isn`t true for me.

Never been attracted to a man with Mars in Aquarius. But mars rules my IC, so he doesn`t play that important part in terms of sexual attraction for me anyway (beside him being general marker of sexual things of course).

my Venus, 5th house ruler, sems to easily trump him Her Duad on 13 Pisces. I am very drawn to Virgo Mars in men, or generaly mutable Marses.

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Me neither. Both tropical and duad Mars are in Libra. I'm not attracted to Mars or Sun in Libra, not even Sun in Virgo in a romantic way. You know I'm not into the theory of woman's type her Sun/Mars, man's type - his Moon/Venus when it comes to direct aspects. Of course, I'm not basing this just on my case, this would be lame lol but based on the charts I've seen, I believe in 1. yin/yang pairs both sides 2. natal pattern completion and the rest of the multiple match. If it were so, acc. to the classical view, we would see many couples with woman having their partner's Sun/Mars on her Sun/Mars and the man having his partner's with the woman's Sun/Venus on his Moon/Venus and we don't. However, the energy of those signs/houses (for example man's Moon in Taurus 5th) must be reflected in the partner's chart, but usually it happens in a more complex, multi-level way than her being a Taurus Sun or Venus or Moon.

Getting back to duads.... I've been thinking about tropical planets being fascinated/attracted to the duad person....perhaps it makes sense (my main concern was that duads are, after all, hypothetical points, they are not astrobodies)...anyway, I think the duad would definitely be attracted to the tropical, but maybe the tropical is very attracted too, because the tropical would feel the background energy of the duad person, like a promise of something enticing, yet familiar.Perhaps the duads are mostly related to relationships, so someone feeling our duad would feel how we would behave on a second level, when they get a bit closer and know us better - for example a tropical Scorpio would feel a Leo woman with a Scorpio duad bringing a subtle, mesmerizing Scorpio touch in her relationships once you are close to her.

So I guess the key here must be mutuality. I like the theory stating one explanation for unrequited is the mismatch in duads. But when both the tropical and the duads are a mutual match, we have a real match. EDIT: ny this I mean one's duads reflecting in the other's tropical and viceversa and/or having the same duads or the same duad theme.

Now I have so many questions about these fascinating duads...another one would be related to the fact that I think what really matters when it comes to duads is the sign of the duad. of course, we do obtain a hypothetical degree in the duad sign, but the energy of that sign is paramount.The degree of our tropical planet has the energy of a certain sign added to it. That's why those conjuncting there, having tropical planets in that sign must be the ones we attract/are attracted to. So I wonder if the rest of the aspects would have any validity.

I agree the duad chart is like a "shadow" of the natal chart, showing a theme and perhaps in this respect we must look at the aspects. But in synastry, would these aspects have any validity? like duad Sun sextile duad Moon or duad Venus square tropical Mars etc. I'm inclined to answer "no" to this and only look at conjunctions (maybe oppositions???)(or maybe we could consider an aspect if there is such an aspect in synastry??? for example: sun square Mars in synastry, sun trine mars in duads etc.)

But I still think what really matters is the energy of the duad sign.

What do you think?

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posted August 25, 2014 10:56 AM            

But Duads are real astrobodies, as we are investigating the planets which are the astrobodies.

What is not a real astrobody is the zodiac, and that is true even for the tropical zodiac we use. It`s just a way to measure up and split into parts the ecliptic, and measure the planets against the backdrop of that "circle".

However, frankly, it is quite arbitrary if we cut it up in 12 parts, 8 parts 36 parts or whatever. the 12 parts thing has been working well over the centuries.
However there ARE 8 sign zodiacs as well.

The Duads are just a slicing up the usually used zodiac some more, but they are just as real as the bigger tropical zodiac we use.
And like we use the tropical as coordinate-system to locate planets, we could do the same with the Duad-zodiac.

What I think is important though is to keep in mind in what natal sign the Duad really fall.

For example my Venus in 6 Cap is in Pisces Duad. Now someone else`s Mars might be on 16 Virgo, and therefore also be in Pisces Duad.

The difference between the tropical zodiac and the duad zodiac is simply that there are more possibilities for a conjunction or whatever aspect to form, but theoretically these aspects would not be less valid than tropical ones, just occuring more frequently.

But all in all I must say I usally take the Duads with a grain of salt. I haven`t found them to be so much of an AHA-effcect, as the DRaconic zodiac had for example.

I like the zodiac as it is, with the 12 signs and 30 degrees each, for its symmetry, and feel more comfortable with changing the fiducial axis, or how it is called - I mean its starting point- than really splitting and slicing it up to the tiny level.

posted August 25, 2014 11:17 AM            

So you think we should go beyond the sign of the duad in synastric aspects between duads and duad/tropicals?

posted August 25, 2014 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Actually, you may be right: Venus was in Virgo at my birth but on the degree of Scorpio. Who can say that the degree is not as important as the sign? In fact, I do like this idea that each sign contains all the other signs.

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posted August 25, 2014 11:35 AM            

My Pisces DSC, his Pisces Sun, Moon and Neptune on my ASC.
My Aquarius Venus, his Aquarius MC and Uranus in my 1st.
My Capricorn 5th house, his Venus conjunct Saturn.

posted August 25, 2014 11:38 AM            

It's also not random, as I've noticed so far. It is reflected in other aspects/characteristics in the natal chart - a topic I'd like to elaborate further. Like my Virgo Venus on 8th cusp, for instance. Or my Moon conjunct duad Uranus in Leo, and my exact Moon quintile Uranus in the chart.

So being mostly about that added, specialized energy, all those with major placement in Pisces would give your Venus the chance to manifest herself, to be herself, to fully express herself.

Duad/duad would be like having mirror aspects, perhaps - a strong compatibility factor.(the compatibility part based on similarity)

Just speculating here.

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posted August 26, 2014 08:32 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
My tropical, his duads.

My Pisces DSC, his Pisces Sun, Moon and Neptune on my ASC.
My Aquarius Venus, his Aquarius MC and Uranus in my 1st.
My Capricorn 5th house, his Venus conjunct Saturn.

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posted August 26, 2014 08:32 AM            

her duad Sun/Saturn in Scorpio conjuncts his natal Moon, ASC, NN and Karma (2) - her Moon opp his Sun in synastry
her duad Venus in Sag his duad ASC in Sag, her duad Venus conjuncts his Mars
her duad Mercury/NN in Aqua, his natal Sun/mercury/stellium/IC in Aqua, duad NN conjuncts his natal IC/Mercury (3)
her duad Mars in Leo conjuncts his natal MC
her duad Uranus conjuncts his natal Uranus/SN (0) (they are 9 years apart)
her duad ASC in Libra conjuncts his duad Sun (0), his duad vertex and Uranus also in libra
her duad MC conjuncts his duad NN (0) and Pluto (1) in Gem, his duad Jupiter, Neptune also in Gem
her duad Antivertex conjuncts his natal Venus (2)
his duad Moon/MC in Cap conjuncts her natal Mercury/Jupiter, her natal Mars and ASC also in Cap
his duad Venus/Mars in Aqua in her 1st house interception opp her natal Moon/Pluto
his duad Saturn her natal Saturn in Virgo
his duad ASC in Sag conjuncts her natal Sun
his duad Vertex conjuncts her natal Neptune (0)
his duad Juno in Scorpio, her natal MC in Scorpio

Sun/ASC DW, among the other things
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posted August 26, 2014 09:11 AM            

We have a duad Sun/Venus conjunction DW among other things.

Also duad Sun/MC/IC DW, duad/natal Moon/IC DW.

First of all, our duads are almost exclusively Fixed. I have a Fixed cross emphasis with some Cap/Cancer. He has a Fixed cross emphasis with some Cancer and Pisces.

The Fixed cross involves:

Taurus

my duad Sun 4
his duad Venus 3
his duad Saturn/MC 5
his duad Moon 18
my duad MC 20

so my duad Sun conjuncts his duad Venus/Saturn/MC, his duad Moon conjuncts my duad MC, my duad Sun his duad Moon in the same sign
everything happening around my natal IC 17 Taurus and his natal Amor 9

Scorpio

his duad IC/Valentine 5
his duad Psyche 15
my duad Venus 16
his duad Sun 20
my duad IC 20

so my duad Venus conjuncts his duad Sun/Psyche all on my duad IC/natal MC Scorpio 16.44 and his natal Moon Scorpio 16.30

my duad Venus conjuncts his natal Moon exact, sitting on my MC

it means his duad Sun conjuncts my duad IC exact and my natal MC (3)
Interestingly, in synastry, his Moon conjuncts my MC exact
it also means our duad MC are in the same sign, Taurus, on my natal IC

Leo

both our duad ASC are in Leo, the sign of my Moon, my 7th house

his duad ASC conjuncts my natal Moon and my duad Uranus
his duad Mars/Priapus and Uranus/Amor/Ceres conjuncts my Vertex/Amor

Aqua

duad DSC are both in Aqua, his 5th house with his Venus/Juno stellium, my intercepted 1st

I have duad DSC conjuncts duad Neptune here (3), his duad Neptune in Pisces conjuncts his natal DSC in Pisces (3)

Back to Aqua:

my duad Mercury/Pluto conjuncts his DSC (4) and his natal Venus (5)
my duad Mercury/Pluto conjuncts his natal Juno/my natal Lilith (0)
my duad DSC conjuncts his natal Eros (1)
he also has Ceres and Mercury in Aqua in his natal, all conjunct my duads here

Interestingly, we have a Juno/Pluto DW with duads - my duad Pluto conjuncts his natal Juno (0) and his duad Pluto in Pisces conjuncts my natal Juno (0). Even more interesting, Pluto rules my MC and his Moon and in synastry, we have his Moon conjunct my MC (0)

We both have duad Juno in Cancer. His duad Juno/Cupido in Cancer conjuncts my natal Saturn exact and natal DSC (3). I also have duad Amor/Lilith there.

His duad Eros/Lilith conjuncts my duad Mars (1) on our Libra Mars/Pluto stellium, and my duad Moon/Aphrodite on my natal ASC conjuncts his natal Psyche/Pallas exact. My duad Psyche/Vesta conjuncts his natal Sun, his duad Sun/Psyche conjuncts my duad Venus and my natal Vesta, squares my Moon. So there is a Sun/Moon/Venus/Psyche/Vesta Yin/Yang DW with Pallas involved. These are the most interesting aspects, I think.

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posted August 27, 2014 07:47 AM            

(If two bodies in their respective zodiacs - macro or micro - are found in or very close to the same degree of the same Sign, they are "on the same wavelength", "striking the same chord"; if one is in the opposite degree,half the circle away, its resonance with the first has something in common with musical notes separated by an octave. Tight squares to an axis can also be strongly active. Again we have a division of the circle ( the "string" of the zodiac) by two, raising its "note" by a further octave. In music, the same note played on several instruments or sung by several voices is powerfully reinforced as they all resonate together. In the same way two or more planets or angles "playing the same note" on their respective zodiac strings (Tropical, Sidereal, Draconic, Heliocentric, Dwad etc) have their energies (their "voices") combined and amplified by the unison.

The image of fingers moving on a musical string and producing octaves of its original note is perhaps closer to reality than we have imagined; physics now teaches that every object bends its local space. So every planet and energy-point may interrupt the basic resonance of the ecliptic to make the music of the spheres.

Orbs of aspect to an axis should ideally remain within 5E on either side, and within 2E for squares. Clearly, the tighter the contact, the purer the unison of energies, and the more dramatic their combined action when triggered by progressions, transits or Solar Arcs for example.)

Putting all this into practice means working habitually with not just one zodiac at a time, but TROPICAL, DRACONIC and SIDEREAL together, plus HELIOCENTRIC - and sometimes with the GEOSOLAR - the zodiac generated within the calculated Radix chart from the position of the Sun - or the ORIENTAL, mentional earlier."

http://www.theholytwelve.co.uk/tuition

posted August 27, 2014 08:24 AM            

Strangely, my father has a duad dominance in Gemini, my mother has only her Uranus there, end of the sign (it does opp her Sun though), but, of course, she is a Sag Sun/Venus.

posted August 27, 2014 09:34 AM            

I just mentioned the Grand trine between Uranus, Jupiter and Venus in my Duad chart, cause it is a Grand Trine.

And it comes with midpoint pictures.

Uranus 16 Scorpio (square Radix Moon!)
Jupiter 14 CAncer (conj. Radix Saturn)
Venus 13 Pisces (conj. Radix Jupiter and Radix Juno)

Well the tightest midpoint picture here would be

Jupiter = Venus/Uranus
but the other permeations might be still applicable.

And of course it reminds me of my

Venus=Jupiter/Uranus on the Radix level.

No way around Jupiter and Uranus in terms of my Venus.

In this instance I find it interesting, that Mr Sag puts his Duad conjunction of Moon (13 Scorpio) and Venus (11 Scorpio) along with MC widely (9 Scorpio, but his exact ASC-degree is debatable - damned PIsces-rising!) onto my Duad Uranus.

In fact the antiscion of my Radix Moon is 12-13 Scorpio, so his Duad Moon-Venus falls right into this forcefield.

And for good measure his Duad Moon-Venus squares his Duad Uranus-Vertex on 10 and 12 Leo, and my Duad Uranus reinforcing that Uranus-link he has in the Duads.
And actually reminding us of the fact that on the Radix level he has Moon parallel Uranus exact, Venus sextile Uranus closely (and actually ASC=Venus/Uranus and Venus = ASC/Uranus)

And it subtly weakly recalls on the Radix level my Uranus being widely square his Venus (5-6) and sextile his Moon (2-3).

posted August 29, 2014 08:50 AM            

Superpositions with natals

duad Chiron/Ceres on my NN
duad Juno on his NN (0) and his IC (3)
duad Sun/Aphrodite on his Juno (0) my Lilith opp my Moon (0)
duad Jupiter/Priapus on my IC (0) opp his Moon (0)
duad Venus/Mercury on my DSC (3)
duad ASC/Uranus on my Moon (our Fixed Moon cross)
duad Amor on my Moon/Vertex opp his Eros/Ceres etc.
duad Eros on my Venus (1), our Venus/Mars/Neptune cross
duad Mars on my Sun (3) opp his Sun (4)
duad Saturn on his ASC (1), his angles/Saturn cross
duad Moon/Vertex on our Pluto
duad Pallas on our Uranus

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