posted August 25, 2014 07:01 PM            

My own natal skipped step, CHIRON (17° TAU '06) is square my NODES, 18° '03 LEO / AQU. I've never quite grokked a skipped step of CHIRON -- or how it's 9H placement factored in.

Then I noticed how someone's natal TISIPHONE (17° TAU '48) HADES (16° TAU '39) super-conjunction (1°10), falls right on top of it. (With my natal PREY -- 20° TAU -- not far behind.)

Interestingly, there's one more -- right across from it. My LILITH 1811 (17° SCO '07) is also making a 1° square to my NODES while opposing my CHIRON 0°01!

Then his VESTA (17° SCO '47) conjoins it. (My natal VESTA -- 19° LEO '54 -- is conjunct my NNODE, 1°45, and his KARMA, 2°, oddly enough.)

We've got some unusual influences here: 9H/6H TISIPHONE-HADES on CHIRON opposite 3H/12H VESTA/LILITH.

But I'm now seeing how this is illustrating a skipped step for me; how this relationship is bringing to me the means to resolve that outstanding karma.

WHAT is it becomes the burning question.

One might consider his JUPITER (07° LEO '11) to be a skipped step, as it's 2°30 (4° '51 TAU / SCO) square his NODES; closest tie to it is his ALMA (2°). It's too far out from my NNODE -- 18° LEO. But there's the potential for Midpoint activity.

Something interesting to me today is taking note of the 1° CERES-CORA conjunction there with JUPITER. The 'skipped step' would then have something to potentially do with the classic Hades and Persephone mythos; here, CERES and CORA are tightly conjunct at 5°-6° LEO. Persephone is not eating the pomegranate? She's refusing to become Proserpina and coexist with Hades as his Queen in the Underworld?

Bizarre bit of resonance here -- as my natal CORA (21° LEO '12) is 0°30 conjunct his KARMA (21° LEO '45).

And then we see his CORA (6° LEO '38) square my KARMA (04° SCO '56).

While degrees don't align within orb, there's a predominance of Fixed energy being supplied by both of us.

Now there's another point which conjoins his 5°-7° LEO -- ORPHEUS (6° LEO '50) -- which, in turn, squares my KARMA, which is conjunct his SNODE, 0°.

It's staggering it's 0° conjunct my SISYPHUS (06° LEO '32) -- but we'll get to that in a moment.

In fact, SYSIPHUS-CORA/ORPHEUS -- locked together at 6° is just eerie. The perpetual innocent maiden (Cora) forever locked in an unending loop (Sisyphus) of almost-triumph and inevitable death (Orpheus)? Damn. Didn't I write that story? Well, BEGIN that story -- 15 years ago?

Orpheus, of course, is the despondent one left behind after the beloved has been prematurely taken in death. The catch was always that he'd had the opportunity to retrieve his lost love from the Underworld, literally rescue her from death -- but he fails. In the myth, he can't bear to follow the rules that would allow safe passage -- to simply trust that she's following behind. In time, he needs proof -- to see with his own eyes that she's there. And -- bam! -- off she goes. Forever.

So, ORPHEUS (3361) is a few things: a failed second chance, in some cases, a failed first one, too. Rules not followed, grave consequences resulting. Death, love lost -- essential tragedy.

It would seem then, to be judicious, we should take a look at EURYDIKE (75).

Oh, snap. It's 01° TAU '75 -- on the NNODE, 3°. The Orphean theme continues, with a Persephonic (Cora) variation -- the skipped step. Due to some failure to abide by 'the rules', Cora/Persephone is banished -- ironically -- back into society, with her family, her journey into Proserpina never beginning.

And ... there we have it.

My EURYDIKE is conjunct his, 2°30 and some change -- 05° TAU '19. More importantly, on his NNODE, 0°30.

And -- parallel my CORA, 0°. Which is ... parallel his PLUTO. His PLUTO is also parallel my NNODE.

Well, if THAT isn't all nearly tied with a bow.

I think I've got it.

My skipped step (CHIRON/TISIPHONE-HADES and LILITH-VESTA) is linked to his skipped step (SISYPHUS/JUPITER-CORA-ORPHEUS) through a mutual EURYDIKE conjunction. This leads back to his NNODE, which reintroduces my CORA, and shows the link from the 'Cora' line to the NNODE line -- his PLUTO.

And, by the grace of God, my CORA is parallel his PLUTO, introducing a sort of 'second chance' Hades/Persephone mythos -- where the intention is for Cora to break the Orphean/Sisiphusian loop -- and finally become Proserpina.

As his HADES is 0° quindecile my PROSERPINA, I think we'll be good from there on out.

(The preceding was brought to you by the past two years of intensive astrological investigation. And that's JUST the tropical.)

posted August 25, 2014 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
But I'm now seeing how this is illustrating a skipped step for me; how this relationship is bringing to me the means to resolve that outstanding karma.

WHAT is it becomes the burning question.

And then we see his CORA (6° LEO '38) square my KARMA (04° SCO '56).

Now there's another point which conjoins his 5°-7° LEO -- ORPHEUS (6° LEO '50) -- which, in turn, squares my KARMA, which is conjunct his SNODE, 0°.

So. What's your skipped step?

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As said, Karma square Nodes. Paris-Skepticus at 25 Aquarius opposite that but not as near the midpoint of the nodes. I found it funny that the Carlyle-synastry mentioned featured Karmas opposite and a big Atlantis-Paris-Helen theme if nothing else, but as said, leaving that aside as irrelevant for now.

Coincidentally, your Karma's conjunct the recently mentioned person's IC and square my 6.53 Leo ASC. Interesting that you'd bring up Orpheus as well since mine is on my IC, which had that Persephone under a degree from it. Draconic IC-Orpheus goes to my natal DC.

26 Leo has Karma, Nostalgia, NOT, Lie, Niger ("black"), Christen, Stevens, Tisiphone and Mexico at least. Semisextile Saturn which trines NN by about a degree.

posted August 25, 2014 09:32 PM            

CHIRON ruled by VENUS, VENUS in detriment and in mutual reception with PLUTO.

VENUS sabian, "A Drowning Man Is Being Rescued"
CHIRON sabian, "Head Covered With A Rakish Silk Hat, Muffled Against The Cold, A Man Braves A Storm"

Ha. Ha. Ha.

Nodes at Leo/Aqu 13°16'
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Tau12°44' PoDistress/Enmity/Murder/Accusation
Tau13°08' DAINTY (9758) - delicate, refined
Tau13°16' Nodal MP
Tau13°33' CHURCH (10343) - house of worship
Tau14°20' PoNegotiation
Tau14°38' CHIRON
Tau14°49' PoWealth - ouch
Tau14°58' TERPSICHORE (81) - muse of dance & choral song

Sco10°07' URANUS/PLUTO MP
Sco10°18' ENDYMION (342) - legendary lover of the moon, SELENE (580)
Sco10°19' LUCRETIA (281) - roman woman raped by the king's son & committed suicide, inciting the overthrow of the Roman monarchy & establishment of the Roman Republic
Sco10°41' VENUS
Sco10°42' PoDiscord & Controversy - oh my
Sco11°04' PELION (49036) - homeland of CHIRON
Sco11°11' ASCLEPIUS (4581) - raised & taught by CHIRON, god of healing & medicine
Sco11°19' HESTIA (46) - virgin goddess of hearth & home
Sco12°18' PoAncestors/Armies & Police
Sco12°31' AC/DC MP
Sco13°02' ORPHEUS (3361) - music charmer, tried rescuing his wife EURYDIKE (75) from the underworld but failed at the last moment when he looked back to see if she was following him
Sco13°13' SPIRIT (37452) - spirit, soul, ghost, vivacity
Sco13°16' Nodal MP
Sco13°17' METIS (9) - Greek Titan of wisdom & cunning
Sco13°29' ANTIGONE (129) - hung herself and thusly caused her fiancé to kill himself in grief, also related to Eurydice (this one the queen of Thebes and mother of the fiancé, and also suicided)
Sco13°45' SUN/MOON MP
Sco13°53' ADONIS (2101) - god of beauty & desire, perfect male
Sco13°56' QUAOAR (50000) - creation of new perspectives, sacrifice for new creation
Sco14°07' JUPITER/NEPTUNE MP
Sco14°21' PoMarriage (modern)/Partners
Sco14°44' IXION (28978) - fiery, patricide, lustful and ungrateful
Sco14°49' PoSuicide I - Sensing a theme here...
Sco14°55' SATURN/NEPTUNE MP

posted August 25, 2014 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Wait, you've got ORPHEUS and EURYDIKE conjunct at 13° SCO?

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posted August 26, 2014 08:15 AM            

Mine is 18°11' TAU/SCO.

I see the Nodal Axis squares as places where we NEED to set boundaries to maintain our own evolution. I suppose in karmic terms I might conclude that it's a signifier for energies we used to abuse.

An opposition that cuts my NA is Jupiter-Logos. The opposition is exact, the opposition axis is squaring the NA by 2°.

posted August 26, 2014 08:31 AM            

Except for Valentine they are conjunct, Draco Valentine is conjunct tropical JUno exact though.

I just find it intriguing that I have Neptune on my NOrth Node, squared by Pisces-Jupiter, and end up with a Draco chart steeped in Pisces-energy (Sun, MErcury, Venus are in Aries though).

As for asteroids, CERES and ZEUS are both on 9 Pisces and MELPOMENE on 10 Pisces, Jupiter on 11 Pisces, and those square my Nodal axis (10 Sag), ISHTAR and HORUS on 8 Pisces square it as well, (ASTARTE exact on my South Node, which is interesting since Ishtar is squaring it; and KAALI and INANNEN are conj. my SN by 2 degrees as well).

On the other end, the Virgo-end, I have PERSEPHONE widely square (3 degrees, well actually too wide to count. lol) and HEKATE and RUDRA on 8 Virgo (ast. Lilith on 6 Virgo).

So I suppose my skipped steps are:

Jupiter, Zeus, Ceres, Ishtar, Melpomene
and
Hekate, Rudra

with Astarte, Inannen and Kaali being on the SN.

posted August 27, 2014 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
I see the Nodal Axis squares as places where we NEED to set boundaries to maintain our own evolution. I suppose in karmic terms I might conclude that it's a signifier for energies we used to abuse.

@ Blind writer:
I think your "suicide" theme might be about the unexamined/unrecognized pride of the attractive force. If that makes sense to you?

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So far, I've interpreted it as to not run away to escape pain, but actively face it to heal karmic scars. Facing that fear of getting hurt in love is key (I am reluctant to enter any romantic relationship with any real depth). I feel I was greatly wronged or hurt, and need to stand up and move forward instead of curling up or shutting down in the face of adversity.

posted August 27, 2014 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
"Actually, to get back to that, do you count someone's Osiris at 27.12 R Aquarius (under half a degree to under a degree opposite) as hitting the midpoint? It's only an asteroid, but someone's Osiris opposite the Karma/midpoint and Sun. This when the other way around Osiris is trine Sun and inconjunct Karma, but of course not hitting nodal midpoints."

IndigoDirae:
"Lemme clarify, because asteroids hitting the NODES definitely count. So if it's OSIRIS that's squaring your NODES in synastry, that's a MAJOR clue to the skipped step. I'd look at how natal ISIS are positioned, since it's a very powerful Soulmate pairing there."

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The above was in synastry since you asked if anyone hits it with anything. Same old recent person as the Osiris opposite there.

My NN-SN 26.09 Sco-Tau, Sun/Moon MP at 29 Taurus

I have Isis at 22.33 Taurus (antiscion about 7.26 Leo so conjunct my 6.53 ASC).
Osiris 17.48 R Pisces
Draconic Isis 26 Virgo and Osiris 21 Cancer.

His Osiris 27.12 R Aquarius and Isis 13.05 Aries conj Chiron, sextile 14 Aquarius NN.
Isis antiscia ~16.54 Virgo so there's contrascia contact to my Osiris I imagine.
Draconic Osiris 12.32 Aries and drac. Isis 28.24 Taurus.

posted August 28, 2014 03:51 PM            

My draconic Isis is 1 inconjunct his Osiris, that's the closest that way. What was your jump with counting my Isis as a "near" opposition, or did you mean the Sun et al? From my Osiris the contrascia "opposition" to his Isis existed, the other way there was less contact.

Enlighten one?

I bring up my 27 Aqua Hermes also because I have Mercury at 16.53 Virgo so my Mercury is opposite my Osiris and the antiscion of his Isis. He has Hermes at 5.46 Aries conjunct his 6 Aries Valentine, trine his 5.11 Leo Mercury conjunct my ASC. His draconic ASC is 4 Libra so draconic DC conjunct his Hermes. His draconic Hermes-Valentine around 21-22 Taurus (my Isis).

(The wife's Hermes at 5.00 Capricorn on her 4.34 ASC so as per his tastes for intelligent women, I imagine a Hermes-ASC and Sun opposite Hermes vibe somewhat for his Hermes-Valentine, although better with her it seems. Of course or otherwise. Their Hermes square Hermes or not. In more "What goes around comes around", my draconic Hermes is around 1.42 Cancer near her DC, draconic Moon exactly opposite it, draconic ASC on her MC, etc. No doubt plenty to clear one way or another given all the contacts this way or that. I always found them a lovely couple and nigh "shipped" them for apparent compatibility, so the whole interaction is potentially weird, but we'll go with whatever happens. *shrug*)

From my way it's my Eros 1 from his Scorpio NN/SN midpoint or skipped step, his Psyche trine my NN, so these things pop up one way or another I guess. He has Pallas at 13.03 Taurus, a degree from his skipped step, whereas my Pallas is 4.17 R Aries conjunct his Hermes (and Valentine). The wife's 19.18 Aries Pallas trines his ASC (my drac Valentine 18 Aries).

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My Moon is 0.36 Pisces so yours is possibly square it as well. I forget which way you had yours, but if it's near 23 Scorpio, it's also on the antiscion of my Descendant. It's a spot where basically everyone who's stuck around me somewhere over the years has had something.

I know about contacts with people here one way or another though. Ceridwen I think had her Valentine 1 conjunct my NN, and Gabby I think had some other sort of a contact with me. There's a Sun conj Dejanira and Nessus conjunct Sun contact or something with someone I found more grating here, and so on and so forth. The no longer resident OneRuledByMars had a DW of Kaali conjunct ASC with me, although there was never much of a chance to see how we'd interact by the time I signed on here. Often it turns out that some random new person whose chart I actually have the time to say something about then turns out to have synastry hits to me, too, my honing in on people even without knowing there is contact there. Rather obvious if you believe that astrology works, but it remains amusing how much it actually works on subconscious levels.