posted September 17, 2014 10:34 PM            

My SO and I love 300 miles apart, as I'm sure I've stated an infinitesimal number of times *sigh*. We've been at it for nine months now.

We committed early and knew we wanted to be together. It was just easy and fun. We felt we cared deeply for each other, and instantly. Since the beginning, however, and despite eager efforts to see each other, something always got in the way. It's as if we make plans, and the universe thwarts our combined efforts.

My dogs get abysmally ill; people get fired from work and I have to work 15 days straight through my travel plans; car troubles; his firm giving him a TON OF WORK last minute; and tonight, a three hour flight delay. It happens more often than not, too.

It wouldn't be that big of a deal if we were able to see each other more than 36 hours a trip...

Is there something in the synastry, composite, or Davison that can show a relationship being postponed, or made difficult by universal outside forces?

Is it karma?

Is the universe telling me it's not time, that I need to wait until I'm ready to consummate another union with a person?

Am I being tested since normally, in the past, I've been tempted to run at the snap of a twig in an argument?

posted September 17, 2014 11:42 PM            

If you're the one to typically run, and the debt isn't related to abandonment, you're less likely to have a bolter as you might delays and intervening circumstances.

Look to the NODES, KARMA (3811) and what SATURN's doing. The Fates can also help: LACHESIS (120) for delays and interventions. ATROPOS (273) can be endings, but is more related to the inevitable.

Martha Lang-Wescott put long-distance and 'geographic undesirability' in ISIS (42)'s realm. It's worth a shot.

Is your composite and synastry heavily Uranian?

Sometimes the debt or lesson is about dealing with and healthfully accepting our insecurities and overcoming them. We'll be apart from a loved one in order to become less dependent or fearful, or even jealous. Sometimes, the lessons are about possessiveness; the karma might be a lack of freedom which caused the relationship to fail.

posted September 18, 2014 01:04 PM            

Please post the synastry, the Composite and Davison with at least Karma, Vesta, Juno, Lilith, Vertex

posted September 21, 2014 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Usually karma, yes. This is part of it. A testing phase, perhaps. The challenges presented can be a sign that, yes, the timing is off; you're missing something. SOMETHING is intervening.

If you're the one to typically run, and the debt isn't related to abandonment, you're less likely to have a bolter as you might delays and intervening circumstances.

Look to the NODES, KARMA (3811) and what SATURN's doing. The Fates can also help: LACHESIS (120) for delays and interventions. ATROPOS (273) can be endings, but is more related to the inevitable.

Martha Lang-Wescott put long-distance and 'geographic undesirability' in ISIS (42)'s realm. It's worth a shot.

Is your composite and synastry heavily Uranian?

Sometimes the debt or lesson is about dealing with and healthfully accepting our insecurities and overcoming them. We'll be apart from a loved one in order to become less dependent or fearful, or even jealous. Sometimes, the lessons are about possessiveness; the karma might be a lack of freedom which caused the relationship to fail.

Nothing like distance to institute freedom! Heh.

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Thank you for your insight. I've uploaded all three charts with the mentioned asteroids.

I usually am the type to run, yes. In typical Aries Venus fashion, I'd usually tell myself things so far in about how it's not going to work out, how I really don't care that much, et cetera, in an effort to distance myself. Not here, however.

I don't believe our composite/synastry is highly Uranian; however, he does have a Sun-Venus-Uranus conjunction in Scorpio. I have my Capricorn Uranus at the head of a 3H stellium, including Mars-Saturn-Neptune.

I've looked at the new charts with the asteroids and don't see any significant contacts, but maybe you see something I don't?

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Saturn; peregrines; Chiron on angles; Mars/Uranus; and others
have you checked the star-crossed pairs?

Please post the synastry, the Composite and Davison with at least Karma, Vesta, Juno, Lilith, Vertex

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I know we have some Saturn, Lee, as well as some Chironic aspects. The updated charts are below. Thanks in advance, everyone.

Synastry (Which I've been told isn't that promising...) ;-\

Composite (Which seems karmic and destined... a lot of healing.)

posted September 22, 2014 04:28 AM            

It pops up so frequently in postponed romances that I call it the "show stopper"

If I see it in synastry or composite with the lady im dancing with then I know something will be delayed.

The amount of time delayed varies big time. I've never had it completely close a book but I've always had to be patient.

Sometimes it hits early - when in synastry. Twice I had a firecracker synastry leading to steamy fun but the composite had the square and that's when things got postponed.

posted September 22, 2014 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
I keep my tools simple. For me, time and time again the culprit is Saturn square Venus.

It pops up so frequently in postponed romances that I call it the "show stopper"

If I see it in synastry or composite with the lady im dancing with then I know something will be delayed.

The amount of time delayed varies big time. I've never had it completely close a book but I've always had to be patient.

Sometimes it hits early - when in synastry. Twice I had a firecracker synastry leading to steamy fun but the composite had the square and that's when things got postponed.

I do not like Saturn sq Venus.

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Thanks for the insight. Interestingly enough, we have the Venus square Saturn in composite, and quite a bit of Saturn.

The kicker: I'm heavily Saturnine. All of my significant relationships have had Sun- and Venus-Saturn contacts... Especially the opposite and square. I don't feel secure without it, I guess? Who knows...

posted September 22, 2014 09:47 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Thanks for the insight. Interestingly enough, we have the Venus square Saturn in composite, and quite a bit of Saturn.

The kicker: I'm heavily Saturnine. All of my significant relationships have had Sun- and Venus-Saturn contacts... Especially the opposite and square. I don't feel secure without it, I guess? Who knows...

I feel like we were go-go-go and then once things started to get serious and plans needed to be formed, the train began to slow down.

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posted September 22, 2014 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Do you find those Saturn sq Venus relations start up slowly or randomly stop and start or is it just this one? I would love to know other peoples experiences with it so I can see whether I'm on to something :P

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You know... It's really hard for me to distinguish what the cause of the pace is. After my heavy Saturn, I'm equally Mars- and Pluto-heavy... I know that all of my other significant relationships (read: longer than a few weeks/couple of months) started very abruptly, like a firework, but they all had Pluto/Venus contacts (usually double whammies) that caused intense passion--like wildfires!!!

But, as above, they also had Saturn-Sun and -Venus. The first three relationships involved the aforementioned passion period, but when things got more serious and my partners began talking of houses/kids/the future, MY Saturn said, "Whoa! Slow down, and be cautious," and my Uranus was like, "Run for the hills. Level 5 clinger alert! I'm not done interviewing you yet--don't be so presumptuous!"

It sucks because my Aries Venus and Saturn stellium usually sabotage me, I feel. ;-(

This is the only relationship where I feel like my planets are "at ease" and the halting square is rearing its ugly head. I think in the past the square manifested differently by making me slow the relationship (and usually to an end).

posted September 24, 2014 12:24 PM            

In it we discuss Chiron Yods and Blind Writer mentions Chiron in the 5th as one of the contributors.

I see that you have c-chiron in the fifth at the apex inconjunct on one side neptune which rules the composite 3rd house which in addition is in the 12th and conjuncts the AC. Blind Writer points out that for her chiron in the 5th and 3rd house ruler Yods have manifested in star cross lovers who live at opposite sides of the world and distance keeps them apart. You also have Karma in the 7th.

posted September 30, 2014 02:11 AM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
You know... It's really hard for me to distinguish what the cause of the pace is. After my heavy Saturn, I'm equally Mars- and Pluto-heavy... I know that all of my other significant relationships (read: longer than a few weeks/couple of months) started very abruptly, like a firework, but they all had Pluto/Venus contacts (usually double whammies) that caused intense passion--like wildfires!!!

But, as above, they also had Saturn-Sun and -Venus. The first three relationships involved the aforementioned passion period, but when things got more serious and my partners began talking of houses/kids/the future, MY Saturn said, "Whoa! Slow down, and be cautious," and my Uranus was like, "Run for the hills. Level 5 clinger alert! I'm not done interviewing you yet--don't be so presumptuous!"

It sucks because my Aries Venus and Saturn stellium usually sabotage me, I feel. ;-(

This is the only relationship where I feel like my planets are "at ease" and the halting square is rearing its ugly head. I think in the past the square manifested differently by making me slow the relationship (and usually to an end).

What's your experience?

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Sorry for the delayed response.

I have a lot of experience with Venus sq Saturn in synastry and composite which is why I'm so quick to blame it.

It just seems to be such a good indicator that despite being compatible there will be something - anything - that will stop this from happening.

If it's in the composite, I find it stops things from progressing into a relationship state.

If it's in synastry filled with sexual aspects I find that the sex is either heavily delayed or never happens.

And the scenarios have been endless but always seem to do with timing. One of the people just happen to find some sort of justification to stop the progress.

And without fail progress is either delayed, or just never happens.

Often for me, especially being in my mid 20s, it's moving around. We're all moving around still trying to find a place to live.

And yes, that stellium will definitely cause some blocks. That's rough. But as bad as it can be it can be really good. So with some people you'll end up with venus sq saturn and saturn sq saturn but imagine the person you end up having that stellium work well with!

You could automatically have a Venus trine Venus with the Saturn trining!

posted September 30, 2014 04:28 AM            

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posted September 30, 2014 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by WhyMe:
Does Saturn opposite Venus act the same way as Saturn square Venus does ? Why did this very promising relationship end abruptly ?

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posted September 30, 2014 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:

Why was it promising?
Synastry: Sun sq Venus DW
Composite: Sun-Venus in the 12th house.

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Hi, I am not the sharpest knife in the draw, would you explain in simple language for me, please ?

posted September 30, 2014 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Dat 12th house

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