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alyssa27
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posted September 18, 2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi..it's my first post
i read some really bad stuff about the composite 12th and i'm a little bit scared!
it's a romantic relationship and TOB is correct..any insights are more than welcome

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posted September 18, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In all honesty, don't marry -- or become intensively committed -- until you've worked through your issues.

A packed c12H with many personal points is the astrological symbol for ' ... they've got issues'. Both of you, actually. These are not easily avoided, but best worked through.

for the MOON-JUPITER conjunction, though. That can help. Some.

Although, MOON conjunct CHIRON. ... That's gonna take some work, too. cMOON's the chartruler, though, so it's quite impacting.

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posted September 18, 2014 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And welcome to Lindaland!

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posted September 18, 2014 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you for the welcome
now i'm terrified ..astrological symbol for??sorry i didn't get it..
well i have definitely some issues,he doesn't seem to have many..anyway everyone has a past and some issues.
marriage is not a thought..but not intensively commited?are the things so badd?
the stellium falls in his natal 1st and my natal 12th!
the love stellium-even in the 12th-doesn't help a little?

the thing is that i had met him three times in the last 1,5 year before i actually know him.we had met in a cafe,a friend of me known him and i felt something from the start i didn't know what.
i had avery difficult winter and i had a very bad previous day from the day i've actually met him.that day i was very sad and i never wished for someone to come in my life before but i wished it that day and the same night i met him in a bar and we talked etc..trans saturn was that day 1 degree from our composite vertex.

maybe all these things are just in my head.
sorry for the big post and for my english

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posted September 18, 2014 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alyssa,

No worries. It's definitely fated and clearly karmic as well. Don't be terrified, just know that it's no bed of roses, as they say. A rough relationship in which you both have to do a lot of growing, changing, and transforming.

That's why I likened it best to counselling or therapy. A lot of it feels like one long therapy session. You can quickly feel like each other's counsellors. Not a bad thing, but for some, that's not what they're looking for in a partner.

And, BELIEVE me. He's got issues. As you said, we all do, but the 12H centred composite is very karmic. You're bringing in a lot of baggage to resolve between you.

In synastry, do you have any 12H placements?

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posted September 18, 2014 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have my mars in his natal 12th conjunct his moon with 5degree orb..
i use whole signs..his venus in my 12th
in my natal without whole signs his venus goes in my 11th and his mars goes in my 12th conjunct my venus with 1degree

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posted September 19, 2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lvASTRO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indigo looked at me and my partner's composite chart (with a twelfth-first stellium) and recommended therapy/counseling.

The funny thing is, we were already in counseling together, and only at 4 months. When we talk to each other, we go over the nitty-gritty and psychoanalyze each other. Our relationship feels very therapeutic/healing---> see: Chironic.

We both have experienced trauma concerning relationships, and sometimes certain things about our own relationship triggers "hot spots" or the "skeletons to come tumbling out of the closet" syndrome...

Either way, you have to be open to the heavy emotional, mental, and spiritual dissection that leads to healing, otherwise it gets rough and "foggy."

Good luck. Let love win!

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posted September 20, 2014 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm glad i'm not the only one ..it's nice to know that a 12th house relationship can work..
well until now there aren't many problems except he complains sometimes for me being secretive.
but i'm working at it.
i'm good with heaviness retrogade saturn is my 7th house ruler and i always liked difficult relationships..he on the other hand with jupiter as desc ruler i don't know..
we'll see )
thank u for the good luck

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posted September 20, 2014 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
Indigo looked at me and my partner's composite chart (with a twelfth-first stellium) and recommended therapy/counseling.

The funny thing is, we were already in counseling together, and only at 4 months. When we talk to each other, we go over the nitty-gritty and psychoanalyze each other. Our relationship feels very therapeutic/healing---> see: Chironic.

We both have experienced trauma concerning relationships, and sometimes certain things about our own relationship triggers "hot spots" or the "skeletons to come tumbling out of the closet" syndrome...

Either way, you have to be open to the heavy emotional, mental, and spiritual dissection that leads to healing, otherwise it gets rough and "foggy."

Good luck. Let love win!


All of the above.

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posted September 20, 2014 05:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Alyssa
A 12th house composite happens when one or both people:
- have planets in the 12th house in the natal
- have 12th house overlays in synastry
The mathematical result will be a 12th composite, which is what they need in order to live that 12th house energy in their natal or their synastry.


Personally, I don't consider the 12th house the "garbage can" of the zodiac, as the old astrologers believed, more like a place of culmination. Old astrology was focusing on the concept of benefic vs malefic, that's why certain houses were considered malefic. I don't subscribe to this view which I consider outdated, in the sense that every house has its good and its bad side.

The composite 12th house is:
-the most private, most intimate place of the couple; couples who are very private, extremely intimate with each other, very compassionate and spiritual (such as a couple of missionaries for instance, or a couple of Yogis) will most likely have a strong 12th house.
-a place where they can experience total merging and unconditional love; sometimes the power of unconditional love the 12th house gives may manifest as unrequited love
-being that private, it can point to a secret side of the relationship, which can mean many things, good and bad; although whatever is in the 12th is destined to come to light at some point, because planets in the 12th are actually strong, like a volcanic eruption prepared in silence or darkness or from the inside
-it's also a house with a high degree of unpredictability and unexpected, because things develop under the surface and they "rise" (it's the house of the rising Sun)
- in the natal, they point to hidden, unconscious powers of the native, sometimes he's not aware of, at least in the 1st part of life, more apparent to the others than himself, yet, as I was saying, real powers; many powerful people/leaders for instance, have Saturn or Pluto in their 12th; extrapolating, they may show a common power that couple shares
- it is the ultimate soulmate house (all water houses are, but the 12th is the culmination, being ruled by Neptune, the Higher Love), a soulmate relationship will most likely have something important involving the 12th house.
There are many things to be said and discovered about this placement.

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posted September 20, 2014 06:13 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also people who have the same planet natally in

- 1st and 11th house
- 2nd and 10th house
and so on, will often have said planets in the 12th house in composite

Not sure what that means, but I fgind it interesting,a s these are rather compatible houses. of course people with the same planet natally in 3rd and 9th house, might also have a composite house in 12th (or 6th) house.

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posted September 20, 2014 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank u for your post..i'd like to ask something..his natal asc is between the composite mars and sun and my between the composite moon and jupiter..this means that in the relationship i will act more like the composite moon and he like the composite sun?or it's wrong to think that because it's a relationship chart.

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posted September 20, 2014 09:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is a tight conjunction of natal ASC to Sun and Mars or Moon and Jupiter, yes, that is a way it could manifest.

But mostly I read it the other way round, the composite planet influencing the natal one.
So he might feel energized by the relationship and you might experience feelings of emotional caring, belonging and support and emotional expansion.

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posted September 20, 2014 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my asc 27degrees in cancer 2degrees from comp moon and 2 from comp jupiter and my desc 1degree from comp saturn..his asc 11gemini 3degrees away from both comp mars and sun...exact between in both cases..funny enough ..

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posted September 20, 2014 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some of my database examples, Alyssa:

This'll be a good exercise for anyone on this thread.

Of the three 12H-heavy composites above, which do you feel has the greatest chance of success? How would each be characterised? Can you hypothesise how these relationships went or are going?

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posted September 20, 2014 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I'll take the challenge
A relationship is highly unlikely with the fist two comps. The first one may be some sort of having fun together for a while or they are brother and sister or childhood friends.
The second one...I have no idea...do they know each other?

The third is possible, there are several fated markers, it looks very Plutonian, not romantic in nature though, more like necessary lessons to be learned, possibly related to the work environment, patient/therapist or a friendship (there's a 3rd/9th/11th emphasis, a rather strong friendship or a relationship based on learning) but the future indicates a possible separation.

But this has nothing to with the 12th house in neither of the charts, it has to do with the aspects/rulers.

This is a "blind" reading of a composite, without the synastry, it's...wind lol

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posted September 20, 2014 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds as if you don't put much stock into the composite chart, Lee. Is that so?

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posted September 20, 2014 01:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, not at all, why do you think so??

For example, the first chart has Mars in 5th, 9th ruler, peregrine - not ruling a major relationship house, in connection with the IC, so no grounding related to IC. Sesquis Mercury MC ruler in 1st - the 1st house is the very identity of the relationship and the MC is its future. The only aspect to Mercury is a square from Neptune, DSC ruler. The whole combo questions if the relationship can even take place.

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The second chart has Venus and Mercury unaspected, Venus is the chart ruler! Sun/Saturn almost loose, Moon (MC ruler) conj Uranus loose, Mars almost loose. I don't see how this relationship could ever happen just by its chart ruler loose and in semisquare with its own disp.

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posted September 20, 2014 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
The second chart has Venus and Mercury unaspected, Venus is the chart ruler! Sun/Saturn almost loose, Moon (MC ruler) conj Uranus loose, Mars almost loose. I don't see how this relationship could ever happen just by its chart ruler loose and in semisquare with its own disp.


So, in your opinion, it's all synastry here?

I found many things in the composite which I feel are strong, and very descriptive of the experience.

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posted September 20, 2014 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
So, in your opinion, it's all synastry here?

Hang on. Dunno what happened.

I found many things in the composite which I feel are strong, and very descriptive of the experience.


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posted September 20, 2014 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alyssa27     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with a quick look..the third is the most interesting..desc ruler in asc is huge and the vertex conjunct desc also.the vertex thing it's very common in relationships a friend of mine and her boyfriend had it without extremely interesting synastry and composite and they are very happy together!definitely karmic with karma conjunct asc and pluto..mars as ruler of the desc maybe many fights and in the asc many many fights i suppose..mars conjunct pluto ruler of the second fights for money,money problems in the relationship or money a basic theme of the relationship?...maybe seperation for this reason?ruler of the asc in 9th with many aspects good and bad some cultural differences?or they lived away from each other?

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posted September 20, 2014 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So. Apologies for the above.

Turns out I never noticed certain things about my old boss. Perhaps, I should have -- karmically speaking. The strangest thing happened.

Last night, we shifted here.
Today, I accidentally uploaded the charts to the wrong directory and ... this is why I ought not use straight initials.
But I noticed this AT 11:11.

... Something is up, dear reader. Something is up.

The correct chart is now uploaded.

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Auby, IMO the synastry reflects the comp and viceversa. it's difficult for me to look at the chart with no aspects at all, but it looks like both Suns, both very strong, receive only one aspect each and a wide one. Blue Uranus is unaspected. Red Saturn only one aspect. Mercury/Venus conjunction only one wide aspect. Blue Moon/Mars, a very strong Moon, one wide trine to Sun and maybe a square to red Moon/Uranus? I'm not sure. I haven't checked the rest of the outers, but it looks like a focal, hence short-lived synastry and the composite portrays the same. This is just a subjective opinion, and there are always exceptions, I suppose.

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posted September 20, 2014 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Auby, IMO the synastry reflects the comp and viceversa. it's difficult for me to look at the chart with no aspects at all, but it looks like both Suns, both very strong, receive only one aspect each and a wide one. Blue Uranus is unaspected. Red Saturn only one aspect. Mercury/Venus conjunction only one wide aspect. Blue Moon/Mars, a very strong Moon, one wide trine to Sun and maybe a square to red Moon/Uranus? I'm not sure. I haven't checked the rest of the outers, but it looks like a focal, hence short-lived synastry and the composite portrays the same. This is just a subjective opinion, and there are always exceptions, I suppose.


Sorry, Lee. That's NOT the correct chart. I've now since replaced it WITH the correct synastry.

I'm wondering though, why something is pushing me to reevaluate my old boss' synastry. I think I forgave him recently. Honestly. I ended up having to sort of 'relive and release' that past.

Perhaps now is the culmination of the aspect that began it a few weeks past.

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