posted September 22, 2009 09:11 PM            

Per my friend with the Mercury conjunct - she and the guy both have Mercury Leo (she's a Leo as well), and he's a Virgo. And oh my god. They drive each other to the loony bin again and again.
I'm tempted to post their synastry and composite just to see what the hell is going on, how they manage to be in each other's lives for 18 years on and off and hurt each other so senselessly and yet keep going back.

posted September 22, 2009 09:33 PM            

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Per my friend with the Mercury conjunct - she and the guy both have Mercury Leo (she's a Leo as well), and he's a Virgo. And oh my god.

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Ew, actually as soon as I read your description, I suspected they might both be Leo Mercuries. It just sounded too familiar.

I think the Merc-Sun squares play out differently in a romantic relationship than a platonic friendship. My friend and I are platonic-ish with sexual tension (from me...and maybe a little bit him?) and romantic tension (from him...and maybe a little bit me), and it is in those arenas that we hurt each other.

posted September 22, 2009 10:43 PM            

Oooh, I just realized something which I have seen several times in relationships which started quickly (or had love at first sight) and ended up going to either marriage/engagement and/or equal commitment:

The synastry aspect of Uranus/Venus especially the opposition and conjunction gets people hooked - and if you add some hard aspects from Saturn, on the side of the Uranus person especially, then I've found it turns into shotgun marriage or something of the sort. Uranus/Venus falls in love quickly, and Saturn, I've found, can be obsessed with making things legal/legit. Saturn needs the paperwork to show it to the world somehow.
I know it's by no means a guarantee! Of course there's no such thing as that with aspects alone. But if there's already mutual interest, I've found it really increased the chances.
It's happened with me twice (once with my ex-husband, once with a guy who wanted to marry me like right away), and even a third time with a guy I fell in love with who wanted me to be his business partner. All 3 were the Uranus people. All 3 made squares with their Saturns to my personal planets.

But it's not just me - I've seen it with a few others:

-My mother and stepfather (married 26 years)
-My friend and her ex-husband (married 11 years)
-My friends who've been together about 20 years - not married, but they have kids together and live together.

Also, it doesn't have to just be Uranus to Venus, it could be Uranus to the 7th house cusp/Dc as well.

posted December 06, 2009 01:23 PM            

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Uranus/Venus falls in love quickly, and Saturn, I've found, can be obsessed with making things legal/legit. Saturn needs the paperwork to show it to the world somehow.

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posted September 19, 2014 11:35 PM            

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To see if you have a significant connection to someone else (no matter if romantic or otherwise), there have to be
conjunctions / oppositions within 3 degree between

Sun, Moon, NN, the angles and ruler of the angles.

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I guess we're in.

But I have a question to the angle-experts:

If you take 100 random synastry-charts, how many would have the connectionS (at least 2) described above?

posted September 20, 2014 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by DD:
To see if you have a significant connection to someone else (no matter if romantic or otherwise), there have to be

conjunctions / oppositions within 3 degree between

Sun, Moon, NN, the angles and ruler of the angles.

If there are no conjunctions / oppositions between those, I think, that the core personalities are not really in contact with each other (you still could have a relationship, but it probably would be one, where every person is doing their "own thing").

IF you have those connections however, THEN the other planets and asteroids come into play and will tell the story of the interaction.
Is this a romantic one? Passionate? purely physical? mental? family-like?

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Now, wasn`t I really a strict one back in the day? Rather rigid.

posted September 20, 2014 04:26 AM            

"Orb x Aspects x Objects/360"

So the calculation would be at follows

3 x 2 x 9/360

= 0,15

So that would be a 15% probability.

As objects I used
Sun
Moon
NN (SN is included as I already have the opposition covered)
ASC (DESC included through opposition)
MC (IC included through oppostion)
ruler of ASC
ruler of MC
ruler of DESC
ruler of IC

posted September 20, 2014 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by DD:
To see if you have a significant connection to someone else (no matter if romantic or otherwise), there have to be

conjunctions / oppositions within 3 degree between

Sun, Moon, NN, the angles and ruler of the angles.

If there are no conjunctions / oppositions between those, I think, that the core personalities are not really in contact with each other (you still could have a relationship, but it probably would be one, where every person is doing their "own thing").

IF you have those connections however, THEN the other planets and asteroids come into play and will tell the story of the interaction.
Is this a romantic one? Passionate? purely physical? mental? family-like?

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All right, let's see (conj listed with /)

Liz/Dick
Sun opp Moon 2
Sun conjunct Moon 2
NN/ASC (more than 3 though)
Moon/MC ruler 1
Moon/NN ruler 3
etc

Lillian/Bertil

Sun opp Sun 2
Moon/DSC ruler 2
ASC ruler/DSC ruler 0
etc

Linda/Paul
Moon/MC 1
NN/ASC 2
etc

Joanne/Paul
IC ruler opp MC ruler 3
etc

Brangelina
MC ruler/ASC ruler 0
Sun/DSC 1
DSC ruler opp DSC ruler 1
etc

My parents
Sun opp Moon 0
NN/DSC 1
etc

Yep. You were pretty much right, in the sense that at least one of these markers will be there

posted September 20, 2014 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

Yep. You were pretty much right, in the sense that at least one of these markers will be there

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Actually I think after seeing charts, that usually, IF such a connection is there, it is usually more than one marker, 2 or 3 I`d say in average.

my parents

Moon opposite Sun
ruler 7 conjunct SN
ruler 4 opposite Moon

and a widish

ruler 10 opposite ruler 1 and 10 (4°52)

my friends
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Sun conjunct DESC
ASC conjunct DESC
ruler 1 (int.) conjunct NN
ruler 7 (int) conjunct DESC

widish ruler 7 opposite Moon (3°31)
widish ruler 7 opposite ruler 7
trad ruler 10 opposite ruler 4

plus some that were wider than 3 degrees
like
ruler of 10 opposite MOon, ruler of 1
ruler of 10 conjunct Mercury, ruler of 4
(around the 4 - 5 degree range).

Interestingly, in both cases, my parents and my friends, there were a strong aspecting of true Lilith too (by Sun and/ or Moon, and both being angle rulers)

my brother and his girlfriend
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Moon conjunct SN
DESC conjunct Moon
ASC conjunct Sun
10th ruler conjunct SN
trad 1st ruler conjunct SN
4th ruler conjunct DESC

and a widish
intercepted 1st ruler conjunct 7th ruler (betwen 4-5) (5 degree is the outmost orb Blashke allows for the marriage rule).

And again, in this comparision the conjunction/ oppositions of luminaries to true Lilith; that´s interesting.

I also compared my chart to my friend`s husband`s chart, cause as a matter of fact on first glance our charts seem to have some attraction-potential, which never really occurred though. Well I met him before she did, and we got along greatly from the beginning, and in fact it seems like I could always "explain" certain behaviour of his to her, in the rocky beginnings, just because we were rather similiar in certain respects. But there has never been any kind of romantic or erotic attraction between us; we just could talk a lot with each other about everything (and especially philosophizing about the nature of love. LOL I love remembering the philosophy-coffee-rounds at university; such abstract thinking, but fun). But we were always as platonic as can be, despite a Venus-Mars-conjunction (his Venus-my Mars; and a DW Venus-ASC-conjunction)

We do have some of the basic connections, too, but I think those are necessary for friendships (on a core level at least), too. And in fact i think that is exactly what these connections show in our comparison!

Moon conjunct Moon
7th ruler conjunct Moon
4th ruler conjunct ASC
4th ruler conjunct 4th ruler
10 ruler conjunct ASC

nice connections, but more or less family connections.

The Moon-Moon-connection is a little puzzling, as it represents a conjunction between his 7th and my 8th ruler. Could have been more intense. But I tend to observe that the 8th house is not ALWAYS about a sexual spark. There is depth and intensity with it, but it can be just in the form of an almost therapeutical understanding.

The 8th ouse somehow needs some attraction aspects to become sexualized, like the overlay with the 5th house, and fitting planets.

In this case his 8th house overlays my 9th and 10th
my 8th house overlays his 7th (which is still puzzling. lol But the 7th is not necessarily a house of physical magnetism either).

As you can see even though his chart connects to both, my and my friend`s chart, it does so in VERY different ways, and with her he has all these delicious Yin-Yang exchange. Sun on DESC, ASC on DESC and the like, plus a mutual 7th house activation (no triggering of my 7th house as a matter of fact).

posted September 20, 2014 06:21 AM            

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Actually I think after seeing charts, that usually, IF such a connection is there, it is usually more than one marker, 2 or 3 I`d say in average.

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Yes, indeed, and in all the examples I checked, they are at least 2-3.

More examples:

Wallis Simpson/Edward

IC ruler conjunct MC ruler (0)
IC/MC conjunct
Moon conjunct ASC ruler
NN ruler opp NN ruler

Camilla/Charles

well, angles conjunct
IC ruler conj IC (1)
Sun conj NN ruler wider
MC ruler opp DSC ruler

Eva/Juan Peron

MC ruler conj IC (0)
Moon conj SN
ASC ruler conj IC (0)

Rita Wilson/Tom Hanks

NN conj ASC (1)
angles conj (0)
DSC ruler conj DSC ruler wider

Goldie Hawn/Kurt

MC ruler conj MC (1)
angles conj
NN conj ASC (0)

Marie/Pierre Curie

Moon (DSC ruler) connj ASC
NN conj DSC (1)

There is at least one such tight contact and it's amazing how there are always conjunctions to angles and conj/opp involving angle rulers.

One other thing I noticed: oppositions are almost never random, they involve important rulers.

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The 8th house somehow needs some attraction aspects to become sexualized, like the overlay with the 5th house, and fitting planets.

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I agree with this, 8th house overlays do not guarantee sexual attraction, unless there are strong aspects between sexual planets or some 5th ruler/secondary 5th involved, sometimes the 1st and/or 2nd too. In this case, it's like the 8th takes the sexual attraction to the next level, but if there is no primary sexual attraction, there's nothing to take to the next level, so the 8th shows relationships triggering many of the other stuff the 8th means: transformation, obsession, psychology etc.

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posted September 20, 2014 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
IQ mentioned this formula for probability

"Orb x Aspects x Objects/360"

So the calculation would be at follows

3 x 2 x 9/360

= 0,15

So that would be a 15% probability.

As objects I used
Sun
Moon
NN (SN is included as I already have the opposition covered)
ASC (DESC included through opposition)
MC (IC included through oppostion)
ruler of ASC
ruler of MC
ruler of DESC
ruler of IC

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posted September 20, 2014 09:42 AM            

Of course there can be other focal aspects too, mainly harmonic triangle resulting or basing on a midpoint picture.
But I still would check for the angle-connection, as these are our antennas to the world, as Dawn Bodogri so fittingly wrote.

" The angles are like antennae, when something hits them, they really feel it. If your Mars hits my angle, I feel your Mars in a very real way all the time I’m with you. I may feel your Mars over and above anything else in your chart, because it’s so easily accessible to me"
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/23/synastry-q-a-sex/

"It doesn’t matter what planet it is; if it falls on your angles from someone else’s chart you will feel it immediately, and often profoundly. "
http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/inner-planets-to-angles-electric-bolts-from-the-blue.html
http://sasstrology.com/2012/03/the-outer-planets-and-the-angles.html

"One other thing I noticed: oppositions are almost never random, they involve important rulers."
Yes, it seems so to me, too.
Or let`s put it differently, the houses the opposing planets rule, seem to "stick" out in the synastry.

they do not always have to rule angular houses though, though they probably often do.
In my parents case my Mum`s Sun rules 3rd house and my Dad`s Moon rules 11th house.
For my friend`s their Saturn-Moon-opposition represents a connection of ruler of 7th and 8th house (my friend) and her husband`s 7th house. So in this case two angle rulers, yes.

For Mr Sag and me we have these oppositions:

° BML-BML (ruling nothing, but too delicious not to mention, especially it being only 0°23. lol)

° Mars-Jupiter (and Ceres) 0°06, 1°28
° Jupiter - Jupiter (and Ceres) 1°03; 0°32
° Pluto - Chiron 1°21
° (Vesta-Uranus) 1°38
° (Ceres-Pluto) 2°02

all of these are quite tight, too

naturally the planetary ones have precedence.

his Mars: 1st house (co-ruler.), 8th house (trad).
his Jupiter: 10th house, 1st house (trad.)

my Jupiter: 1st house

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as for the others

his Pluto: 8th house
my Uranus: 3rd house
my Pluto: 11th and 12th house

"I agree with this, 8th house overlays do not guarantee sexual attraction, unless there are strong aspects between sexual planets or some 5th ruler/secondary 5th involved, sometimes the 1st and/or 2nd too."
Exactly!

Well the 2nd house IS my secondary 5th house, so for me that is most certainly the case.

" In this case, it's like the 8th takes the sexual attraction to the next level, but if there is no primary sexual attraction, there's nothing to take to the next level, so the 8th shows relationships triggering many of the other stuff the 8th means: transformation, obsession, psychology etc."

posted September 20, 2014 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:

Wow.. that's interesting and I expected a much higher probability.

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Unfortunately I think I miscalculated, as we have 2 people, we of course have two Suns, Moons, etc. so we actually have 18 objects, not 9!

posted September 20, 2014 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"There is at least one such tight contact and it's amazing how there are always conjunctions to angles"
I believe that angle-conjunctions (even if not to angle rulers) give an aspect "centre stage", like they put a focus on that aspect and illuminate it.
So any synastric aspect that includes at least one planet being conjunct an angle (preferably in the other person´s chart), I would pay special attention to.

Of course there can be other focal aspects too, mainly harmonic triangle resulting or basing on a midpoint picture.
But I still would check for the angle-connection, as these are our antennas to the world, as Dawn Bodogri so fittingly wrote.

" The angles are like antennae, when something hits them, they really feel it. If your Mars hits my angle, I feel your Mars in a very real way all the time I’m with you. I may feel your Mars over and above anything else in your chart, because it’s so easily accessible to me"
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/23/synastry-q-a-sex/

"It doesn’t matter what planet it is; if it falls on your angles from someone else’s chart you will feel it immediately, and often profoundly. "
http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/inner-planets-to-angles-electric-bolts-from-the-blue.ht ml
http://sasstrology.com/2012/03/the-outer-planets-and-the-angles.html

"One other thing I noticed: oppositions are almost never random, they involve important rulers."
Yes, it seems so to me, too.
Or let`s put it differently, the houses the opposing planets rule, seem to "stick" out in the synastry.

they do not always have to rule angular houses though, though they probably often do.
In my parents case my Mum`s Sun rules 3rd house and my Dad`s Moon rules 11th house.
For my friend`s their Saturn-Moon-opposition represents a connection of ruler of 7th and 8th house (my friend) and her husband`s 7th house. So in this case two angle rulers, yes.

For Mr Sag and me we have these oppositions:

° BML-BML (ruling nothing, but too delicious not to mention, especially it being only 0°23. lol)

° Mars-Jupiter (and Ceres) 0°06, 1°28
° Jupiter - Jupiter (and Ceres) 1°03; 0°32
° Pluto - Chiron 1°21
° (Vesta-Uranus) 1°38
° (Ceres-Pluto) 2°02

all of these are quite tight, too

naturally the planetary ones have precedence.

his Mars: 1st house (co-ruler.), 8th house (trad).
his Jupiter: 10th house, 1st house (trad.)

my Jupiter: 1st house

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Great post, thank you for the references.
Looking at my synastry and checking the "antennae" I see

my Mars/Union on his ASC (2) on his Avx, with his ASC being on my Sun/Pluto mdp no less and with his Sun/Vertex/Karma/DSC on the other side and my Mars being the beginning of my stellium with his Pluto there as well, this should not only emphasize the classical Mars/ASC contact but also highlight our Sun/Sun opp and the cluster between my 8th stellium and his 1st house.

his Moon on my MC (0) is a point of junction for our luminaries/angles contacts, because my Moon squares my MC (and his Moon), my Sun sextiles my MC/his Moon, his Sun trines his Moon/my MC etc.

his Lilith on ASC and Pallas, the beginning of his Lilith/Psyche/Pallas stellium should bring forth this stellium and all our Lilith contacts, no wonder there is a Moon/Sun/Lilith mixed DW in our synastry and I am a girl with a tight Moon opp Lilith on the relationship axis and he has Sun Lilith sextile.

Following your other great suggestion, our planetary oppositions look like this:

Sun opp Sun (1) : my DSC ruler opp his 11th ruler (his sec 5th) - would bring a relational axis to the fore. Interestingly, my Moon (my other 7th ruler) in his 11th, my Sun in his sec 7th. So the opposition is indeed reflected in other major contacts involving luminaries and those houses.

Mars opp Neptune (0) his 8th ruler Mars/my 2nd ruler Mars, part of an already erotic cross with my Venus, my Eros, his Jupiter, but there's more! Sending us to the 2nd/8th axis and how suitable! his Pisces Sun (disp Neptune) in my 2nd, his ASC/Pluto in my 8th, on my 8th stellium Mars/Pluto/Mercury falling in his 1st, his secondary 8th house.

Venus opp Jupiter (5) my IC/9th ruler, his IC/6th ruler; it looks like an IC connection, but also bringing about his 6th and my 9th. Interestingly, my Venus in Virgo, his Sun in his 6th, my Jupiter in his 6th.

A wider conjunction, Moon/Venus (7)(which I tend to consider because of the DW) connects my 7th ruler, Moon, with his 2nd/9th ruler. We both have our 9th ruled by Venus, so maybe there's another connection here I haven't considered before. The other connections between his 2nd and my 7th would be:
my Moon in 7th square his Moon in 2nd
the exact septile between my Venus in 7th and his Uranus in 2nd

my 7th and his 9th are also directly connected, they contain our Venus/Mars square (1) and the Moon/Mars quintile.