posted September 26, 2014 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Hah! That's ONE way to put it. Frankly, I love anything on the Aries Point. Do you feel as if your VESTA is rather 'out there' or even somewhat in the public eye? I'm always testing 0º Aries ....

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Not that I'd have thought so. Then, as I recall, it's as retrograde as Pallas at 4 Aries was, the two flanking MC at 2.36 Aries. Or I could just be failing to think of what you'd put under Vesta right now, despite knowing about mythological options.

Bob Marks' site has the remark about retiring to recharge at times, and my working life tends to follow the (leonine?) path of working and then choosing not to if possible, but it's up to others to say if they see that side tying to Vesta only. I can play ball or work hard (?) fine if needing to, but I don't see why I should have to all the time if free not to.

"Vesta in Aries: gives the ability to focus quickly and intensively on any task. Good for non-routine projects requiring direct action."

The first part is me if nothing else. I can pick up an interest or a focus from nowhere, and past projects have involved me scouring through ALL 40+ pages of Google search results just to find all the possible details or information out there at that stage about something a bit rare. "Burning interest" or "bloodhound mode", there are different ways it shows or can work. If there is something for me to find and the interest matters enough, I find. Through perseverence and lateral thinking jumps or luck, the last of which only just today likewise lead me to something I doubt is really much known about. Question is if I WANT something enough, the "burning" stage not always lasting beyond a few weeks.

A sense of duty also figures to some extent, since if I've agreed to do something or have volunteered myself to some service, then I'm obligated to keep up with it as well (if stupid or foolish enough to have opted in). It is always a burden sooner or later, no matter how much fun it might seem at the start. Sooner or later I'd tire of it and want a break, and then not have that option available to me because I'd opted myself in for whatever.

It's one reason why I rarely volunteer for anything like moderator-duties or anything, knowing that I prefer moving more freely and NOT having the heavy duty and self-set obligation weighing over me. If you say you're doing something, it works like the A Song of Ice and Fire Lannister-house unofficial motto. "Lannisters always pay their debts." Don't agree to what you aren't willing to observe for however long the time set. Set by you or others, that varies, but you get the point. 30 years as a Vestal virgin, was it? Don't agree to what you might not be able to keep.

Mars-Talent in Gemini on MP of ASC/MC and Leo "I am le lazy, I shall not le work today you peasants" sides also for a start? Interests going in spurts, Mutable Grand Cross, this and that? If Vesta's devotion, well, I still have interests or my "chosen things" from when I was nine and all the years since, but there is no way I would be able to devote my time or attention to even a fourth of them for even a third a year, let alone all the time. I could never have been one of the people writing fanfics only for one fandom or thing, for example, when there were SO MANY different ones from over time, and interest in things rarely lasted too long in one bout. The "burning interest" (fire, Vesta?) generally tends to return sometime, but how long it takes before I recycle or spiral back to something can vary. Mutable energies, Aries Vesta?

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As for the other side more tied to this post:

I've actually known a fair number of people who I suppose might have been called sex workers by some people, but it didn't really bother me. People do different things, for very different reasons. Tantric sex always interested as an idea, but the emphasis on the intense eye contact also jars with me at times. I suspect that I would need an actual love partner to go for anything such, since the thought of such eye contact with anyone more casual is far too intimate. This probably becomes TMI, so avert your eyes, anemones of the world.

From other angles I find it a serious turn-off to look at anything like porn stars kissing in the flicks, THAT not being what they're there for, and seeming dishonest or trying to claim that a "union" like that supposedly features in anything such, the falseness of that side leading to despising wrinkled noses. That in contrast to having no issue whatsoever with the people getting round to the sex side they are there for, what the whole thing is supposed to be about as well. Screw if you're there for it, but do not try to force people to watch some false something that does not have anything to do with what you're there for. It presumably ties to prostitutes not kissing on the mouth either, all that. Despising people trying to taint something that has nothing to do with what they're there for.

I have no idea if it is anything to do with Vesta or some strange hang-up from me, but it seems like a Vesta-thing from some angles. Borders between intimacy and "just sex" on idea levels, compartmentalising or not.

Vesta is inconjunct 4H Uranus at 29 Libra, semisextile 8H Moon at 0 Pisces, quindecile 3H Mercury at 16.53 Virgo. You may see how the obsessive mental drive or burn from above could be something like Vesta quindecile Mercury (quindec. Moon the other way, emotional investment or interest mattering?) I guess, but that's up to others to decide again.

It trines Nyx and from what I recall Eos at 0 Leo and Nephtys at 0 Sag
Sextile Kleopatra at 0 Aquarius, square 0 Cancer's Dionysus?

posted September 27, 2014 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
... the falseness of that side leading to despising wrinkled noses ... do not try to force people to watch some false something that does not have anything to do with what you're there for. Despising people trying to taint something that has nothing to do with what they're there for. ... I have no idea if it is anything to do with Vesta or some strange hang-up from me, but it seems like a Vesta-thing from some angles. Borders between intimacy and "just sex" on idea levels, compartmentalising or not.

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I get this, actually. VESTA is certainly about devotion, and there's no place for dishonesty or artifice in that -- the very definition of sincerity.

The eye-contact was what got my partner and I 'into trouble', really. Prior to that, it was all about the mechanics of the thing: doing this correctly, or that optimally. It's very easily measured in this regard (whether it should be -- that's a horse of a different colour). But we both had some 'wild ideas' that particular session. He was -- erm -- looking to increase the physical intensity, we'll say; thought it would in turn more direct his focus. I, on the other hand, had us go in the novel direction of removing each other's clothing, and increasing eye-contact to about 50%. (Let's not be crazy now! Full eye-contact? Oh, no, no.)

Lo and behold, our two alterations combined led to a rather sudden introduction of intimacy, which I'm sure neither of us expected. (Or ... wanted?) Greater intensity + directed eye-contact during that phase, and I couldn't help but contemplate: ' ... did he just f**k me?'

posted September 27, 2014 05:41 AM              

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Auby, these aspects were with my bf. Tantric karma, therefore - no discernible kundalini action in this lifetime though .

Incidentally, so many people here experienced kundalini activation on meeting their SMs - these could be attributed to a tantric past, if not a shared spiritual endeavour.

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posted September 27, 2014 08:24 AM              

Erotic Mythical Pairs:
Adonis(2101)-Aphrodite(1388), Ishtar(7088), Innanen(3497), Astarte(672)
(Male)-- Siva (1170), Rudra (2629), Mahakala (10819), Shankar (22817), Hara (4640)
(Female)-- Kaali (4227), Tara (5863), Parvati (2847)
Ariadne(43)-Dionysos(2063), Bacchus(3671)

posted September 27, 2014 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Haha, LeeLoo, if you're going to be that strict you'll have to erase Kaali as well, because it was named after Kaali Crater in Estonia, and Kaali is the Finnish and Estonian word for cabbage. No joke!

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posted September 27, 2014 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
libran_dream,

it's my first language, grew up bilingual and later switched more to my other native language, so while it's there, I don't use it all that much actively. But it's the language nearest to my heart. I agree it's a tough one to learn for foreigners, because the grammar is quite complicated and it is not Indo-European in origin, so it's as far removed from English as, e.g., Japanese. And only ca. 5 million people in the entire world can speak it, so the benefit of learning it is perhaps too small for most people…

OK, back to topic. LeeLoo's list is fine, I think; Tantra being a concept from South Asia, it is logical to include all the Hindu asteroids connected to it. I would suggest to also include Samadhi (12472), as the word denotes the mystic state of mind which is the goal of tantric practices, and I have actually found it to be prominent in my own Tantra-related charts.

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posted September 27, 2014 10:30 AM              

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Haha, LeeLoo, if you're going to be that strict you'll have to erase Kaali as well, because it was named after Kaali Crater in Estonia, and Kaali is the Finnish and Estonian word for cabbage. No joke!

(I personally have more difficulty accepting the asteroid Innanen, which is often used for the goddess Inanna, because it's actually a Finnish surname; and with Yeshuhua for Jesus, because this one was named after the female Chinese astronomer Ye Shuhua
http://www.chinavitae.com/biography/Ye_Shuhua/full who may be a fine person but is almost certainly not Jesus).

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hahahaha the Chinese example is hilarious awwww

Personally, I think I'll stick only to the asteroids with the proper meanings, which means I'm gonna have to check each one now...something I should have done from the beginning

EDIT: guys, Samadhi is already there, I'm glad you agree

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posted September 27, 2014 10:46 AM              

And Kaali works just fine.

posted September 27, 2014 11:00 AM              

Soma: 7°22 Gemini
Samahdi: 8°03 Sag
Kaali: 6°47 Sag

which runs along my ASC-DESC-axis (ASC on 7°01 Sag) and also aligns with my

NN 10°09 Sag
Neptune 9°57 Sag
Mars 5°10 Sag
Lust: 7°43 Sag

My Soma is on 24°49 Scorpio
conjunct Valentine on 27°33 scorpio

and conjoins his Uranus on 23.24 Scorpio
trine his ASC on 26°13 Pisces
trine his Juno on 27°40 Cancer
sextile his venus on 25°55 Cap
sextile his Saturn on 26°43 Virgo

My Samhadi is on 6°44 Virgo
conjunct my ast. Lilith on 6°38 Virgo, Rudra on 8°15 Vg and Hekate on 8°01 Virgo, opposing Ishtar on 8°21 Pisces

Well in relation to his Chart my Samhadi is

conjunct his Amor on 9°04 Virgo
opposite his eros on 8°21 Pisces
opposite my name in his chart on 9°10 Pisces
square his Kaali on 6.47 Sag
sextile his Rudra on 5.23 Scorpio
sextile his Lust on 6.22 Scorpio
trine his Chiron 9.36 Taurus
trine his Vesta on 2.59 Taurus

and possibly more I am forgetting. lol

The composite has

Samhadi conjunct Mars, NN, Amor and Cupido
Soma opposite Vesta (and on his own natal NN)

in the Davison

Samhadi is conjunct the Venus-Mars-conjunction, conjunct Mars exact, which is the same degree as his natal Chiron.

posted September 27, 2014 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
EDIT: guys, Samadhi is already there, I'm glad you agree

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think the proper pronounciation and discovery chart is more important than what a rock was named for. (just my personal opinion of course)

And Kaali works just fine.

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posted September 27, 2014 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
To add a real-life example for the study of Tantrism in charts, below you can see the chart of [b]Sir John Woodroffe a.k.a. Arthur Avalon (*15 Dec 1865), who was among the first Westerners to undertake serious studies of Tantric texts and practices in India, and who was a Tantric practitioner as well. His book "The Serpent Power" (for which he collaborated with an anonymous Indian expert) is still considered a classic.

Unfortunately, I could find no birth time for him.
The name of his wife and Tantric partner was Ellen Elizabeth Grimson, daughter of Samuel Grimson, born in 1877, but I could find no birthday for her. They got married on 28 Aug 1902.

What strikes me the most about his chart is the conjunction of his natal Sun with Vesta, Siva, and Mahakala, and of his Mercury and Jupiter with Samadhi:

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posted September 27, 2014 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think the proper pronounciation and discovery chart is more important than what a rock was named for. (just my personal opinion of course)

And Kaali works just fine.

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Yeah; I'm not giving up Kaali ;D

posted September 27, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Siva-Parvati, Kaali, Lilith (I prefer the true black Moon).

I know that can´t be all and there have to be major markers, planetary wise, but those I recalled.

I am actually not sure about Priapus, is he really tantric? maybe his needs are too consuming?

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posted September 27, 2014 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Haha, LeeLoo, if you're going to be that strict you'll have to erase Kaali as well, because it was named after Kaali Crater in Estonia, and Kaali is the Finnish and Estonian word for cabbage. No joke!

(I personally have more difficulty accepting the asteroid Innanen, which is often used for the goddess Inanna, because it's actually a Finnish surname; and with Yeshuhua for Jesus, because this one was named after the female Chinese astronomer Ye Shuhua who may be a fine person but is almost certainly not Jesus).

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