posted September 28, 2014 07:47 AM            

Could you look up the day and month a significant relationship started and post both person`s tertiary progressed chart (you will have to adjust the Moon though, if you use astro.com) and natal charts?
Or simply tell me the data so I can have a look myself?

posted September 28, 2014 09:13 AM            

I would cast a chart for the month in question and one for the following and check how far the Moon moved in that month, and then take the distance and divide it by the days the month lasted (usually between 27-29 I think).

I suppose the Moon will move one degree every 2 days, very approximately speaking.

posted September 28, 2014 09:17 AM            

**Opinion Alert**

I would like to think that TP is a magnifier for 2nd Progressions, as opposed to a wholly separate & independent system of prediction.

posted September 28, 2014 09:17 AM            

Both had tp ASC at 29 Sagittarius, tp MC at 4 Scorpio and tp Vertex at 13 Leo.

posted September 28, 2014 09:23 AM            

we had a talk about it in April this year. I told you that my July tertiary looks very relationshipy and if the chart was correct to predict a new relationship, I'd let you know.

Well, it did! To my big surprise. Not in July but in August. Which made me re-adjust my birth time with 2 minutes.

The tertiary for August has the ASC at 17' Libra, which is my natal Venus, and Uranus conjuncts the ASC in the tertiary chart ( and my Venus).
The MC/IC is at 21' Capricorn/Caner, which is my natal Sun-Moon midpoint ( relationships).

Moon doesn't do much in the chart except opposition to my natal Moon; Venus widely conjuncts Mars ( 5 degrees) in the 8th but I don't think that counts.

I think the biggies are the tertiary ASC moving onto the same degree as my natal Venus ( at 17' Libra), and Uranus exactly on top of the Tr ASC and my natal Venus.

posted September 28, 2014 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Yes, yes. I've been waiting for a thread like this.

**Opinion Alert**

I would like to think that TP is a magnifier for 2nd Progressions, as opposed to a wholly separate & independent system of prediction.

I'm also not quite clear how to read the TP chart. Do the aspects made in the current lunar month taken into account, or just he aspects for the date given?

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Yes, I think so, too, as of now. The secondaries giving the frame, and the tp magnifying and maybe modifying a little.
Given our secondary progressions I probably should not even give Mr Sag a second thought. But I pretty much do. Or I am missing something vital in our progressed synastry, but seriously, it is not strong enough, if taking into account only conjunctions and trines to Venus, to count for that.
And it`s been getting worse the last months. it wasn`t that bad for the recent years, it is just in these last months, oh never mind. lol

however speaking of myself individually.

I have a sp Sun applying to a trine to my n DESC (not sure how strong that would be, with a trine and the angle, but still mentioning it).

At the time of one of those nice events, my tp Sun was conjunct n DESC, and in fact trine the sp Sun. It was like that Sun-DESC-relation was pulled into clearer focus was what I thought.

Last month for me personally, well it is still too far off, but I am going to have pr Mars conjunct n Venus (still about 3 degrees applying), and last month my tp Venus opposed natal Mars, and I wonder if that was sort of a preparation/ rehearsal for the secondary aspct.

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As for the meh-progressed synastry with Mr SAg, Westran`s report mentions the sextile between my pr Venus and his n Sun, and the quntile between his pr Venus and my n Sun.

I wonder if I might react to the quindecile between my pr Venus and his n Mars though. Not sure, it is not a conventional aspect, but it is applying to exactness.

Or, though WEstran does not mention it either, his pr DESC conjunct my n Mars and applying to a conjunction with my n ASC?
Who knows?

(well of course since our Suns are conjunct, my pr Moon is also heading towards an opposition with his pr Sun, which is also applying to a trine with my n DESC. And some interrelations between 1st and 7th house rulers building in the background and taking up speed).

But I am still in the process of trying to figure out what is really important beside Venus. IS there anything else important? Or is it just grasping for straws?

posted September 28, 2014 09:54 AM            

for September (start date of the rel.) my TMoon is at 9 Virgo; for October, 24 Virgo

for him, September TMoon 8 Pisces, Octomber 20 Pisces (interesting, his natal Sun 21 Pisces)

wow already impressive with Moon opp Moon, my Moon on my natal Venus in September, on my natal Sun in October, his Moon on his natal Sun in October, and obviously transiting my Venus to my Sun.

What are our correct Moons for September?

EDIT: The starting date for the rel. is 25 september, BTW

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posted September 28, 2014 09:59 AM            

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Last month for me personally, well it is still too far off, but I am going to have pr Mars conjunct n Venus (still about 3 degrees applying), and last month my tp Venus opposed natal Mars, and I wonder if that was sort of a preparation/ rehearsal for the secondary aspct.

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As stated earlier I haven't got a good grasp of TP...but I'd speculate that the tp Venus-Mars is an echo of the pVenus-Mars. This, imo, has filled you up and ready you to be popped NOW, as opposed to a rehearsal for a future something.

I will speculate, no offense intended, that you're hypnotically attracted to the, um, the unavailable type. The charts confirms that you're in a relationship period. Your dream lover is on the scene sitting in your lap, but I suspect, you don't recognize him.

I say this based off my three fold system.

posted September 28, 2014 10:05 AM            

Both Moons move with app. 0.5 per day

posted September 28, 2014 10:08 AM            

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Both Moons move with app. 0.5 per day

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posted September 28, 2014 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Won't this mean they move only 15 degrees in a 30-day period??

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Yes, but I guess the point is to find out the exact degree of the Moon for that day? Ceri?

posted September 28, 2014 10:17 AM            

His TP

I will list progressed-to-natal later.

EDIT: already very cool, apart from the Sun Moon connection, that my natal Venus is 6.20 Virgo.

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posted September 28, 2014 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yes, but I guess the point is to find out the exact degree of the Moon for that day? Ceri?

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I believe the tpMoon moves 12.5 degrees per day.

posted September 28, 2014 12:23 PM            

wow! I am really stunned/ glad that it worked so well as timing tool for you.

"The tertiary for August has the ASC at 17' Libra, which is my natal Venus, and Uranus conjuncts the ASC in the tertiary chart ( and my Venus)."
Sounds like it came as a bit surprise, with Uranus in the play as well. But of course he is a bit of an "electrocuter", he electrifies things into manifestation.

"Moon doesn't do much in the chart except opposition to my natal Moon;"
I think this is very imporant though.

" Venus widely conjuncts Mars ( 5 degrees) in the 8th but I don't think that counts."
You can check though when this is going to be exact.

For example I have a slow building tp Sun-Venus-conjunction in the works (this will be valid, using 1 degree orb, from september 2015 to march 2016, with the peak being on 13th december 2015 on 27 Gemini, right opposite my natal Sun-Mercury as well. lol actually 2015 looks so interesting I am going to do a check up later. lol)

"I think the biggies are the tertiary ASC moving onto the same degree as my natal Venus ( at 17' Libra), and Uranus exactly on top of the Tr ASC and my natal Venus."
I think that probably the fact Tr Uranus is in Aries and the october ecclipse and the one in spring being in Aries as well, are pretty important too.

8th october: le on 15°05 Aries
4th aprl: le on 14°23 Libra

posted September 28, 2014 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I believe the tpMoon moves 12.5 degrees per day.

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posted September 28, 2014 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Maybe you can help me here, Ceri

for September (start date of the rel.) my TMoon is at 9 Virgo; for October, 24 Virgo

for him, September TMoon 8 Pisces, Octomber 20 Pisces (interesting, his natal Sun 21 Pisces)

wow already impressive with Moon opp Moon, my Moon on my natal Venus in September, on my natal Sun in October, his Moon on his natal Sun in October, and obviously transiting my Venus to my Sun.

What are our correct Moons for September?

EDIT: The starting date for the rel. is 25 september, BTW

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posted September 28, 2014 12:32 PM            

Though I still think the pMars-Venus will be valid for a longer time, it will peak in november 2017.

"The charts confirms that you're in a relationship period. Your dream lover is on the scene sitting in your lap, but I suspect, you don't recognize him."
LOL

This might be. Actually I DO think I am approaching or have already entered a period inmy life where a relationship might be a clear potential. With the Venus-Mars-progression, with the Sun-Moon one around the corner. Even my sa Venus is conjunct my n Moon (peak in april or march 2015 i think).
All in all, after the very heavy Saturnian period of last year, this looks decidely like I should keep my eyes open and not limit my options by narrowing my mind.
No matter if anything will come out of it in terms of a real relationship, this period seems one of the major relational developments for me.

I liked the expression of "dreamlover in my lap", if you only knew how fitting that sounds!
However my perspective has changed compared to recent years. Dreaming isn`t enough anymore. it was good and well, but it`s time for something more tangible, let`s say. Sure that scares me, but time to leave the ivory castle.

posted September 28, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My TP for that time

DIT: already very cool, apart from the Sun Moon connection, that my natal Venus is 6.20 Virgo.

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Wow! I LOVE that Venus-Venus-connection from tp to natal!
Yes, something like that is what I am looking for.

The Westran-aspects, plus Sun-Moon plus angular activity would be actually what I would be wanting to see, possibly 1st and 7th ruler as well (which for me would mean to include Jupiter and Mercury).

As for more exotic ones, currently I am intrigued with Juno and BML, as they seem to be contrasting different sides of the feminine principle, the wife and the not-wife, shall we say?

Well my SR has BML right on the ASC, so I suppose that might serve to explain why I am so taken with her currently. lol

posted September 28, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I would like to think that TP is a magnifier for 2nd Progressions, as opposed to a wholly separate & independent system of prediction.

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My thoughts and experience, too. I used to do both second and tertiary yeeeears ago. The Mac switch and lacking SF likely contributed to their falling by the wayside.

posted September 28, 2014 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
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Astrodienst has the option?

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posted September 28, 2014 01:09 PM            

It moves half degree per day.

Nevertheless, I miscalculated first, I ignored the fact that my TP started at 3 sept in astro, and his at 9 September.

Now I got it right, by adding half degree per day

on 25 Sept, my Moon was at 19.30 Virgo
his Moon at 16.30 Pisces

And now, especially for you, Ceri, there's great action going on here (natal to progressed)

Sun/Moon DW
Moon/NN DW

But I'm especially impressed by a double DW NN/Vertex: one between the charts (natal/progressed for both people) and the other in his chart, where we see:

his pVertex 13 Virgo
my n POF/NN 13-14 Sag

his p NN 26 Scorpio
my n Vertex 25.37 Leo

my p Vertex 22 Sag
his n NN 24 Sag

The other connections are:

my p ASC/DSC 5 Leo/Aqua
his n Venus 7.44 Aqua

his p ASC 20 Aqua
his n Eros 20 Aqua
my n Vertex 25 Leo
his n Sun 21 Pisces
my n Sun 20 Virgo

my p Moon 19.30 Virgo
my n Sun 20 Virgo
his n Sun 21 Pisces

his p Moon 16.30 Pisces
his p Amor 16.19 Pisces
my n MC 16.44 Scorpio
his n Moon 16.30 Scorpio
his n Sun 21 Pisces
my n Sun 20 Virgo
my n NN 14 Sag
also, his p Lilith 22 Pisces
also, here, his p Eros 14 Scorpio
my n Moon 14-15 Leo

my p Juno 14 Virgo
my n NN 14 Sag
his p Juno 13-14 Aqua

my p Pluto 11 Libra
my n Merc 11 Libra

my p Neptune 13.45 Sag
my n POF/NN 14 Sag

my p Venus 26 Cap
my p Saturn 27 Libra
his n Uranus 27 Libra (5th)

my p Valentine 11 Aqua
his n Juno 13 Aqua

my p Sun/Eros 27 Aqua
his n Mercury 27 Aqua
I would like to ask you about this Mercury connection in particular, how do you see it?? His Mercury rules his ASC, SN and MC.

my p Amor 29 Pisces
his n DSC 28 Pisces
my n Mars 0 Libra

my p MC 19 Aries
his n Chiron 18 Aries
my n ASC 19 Cap

my p Mars 19 Gem
my n SN 14 Gem
his n SN 24 Gem

the rest from his side
his p Jupiter 24 Aries
my n Chiron/Uranus 23 Aries/25 Libra

his pMars 4.45 Gem
his n Mars 7 Gem
my n Venus 6.20 Virgo
my n Eros 5 Gem
plus the rest of our Venus/Mars cross

his p Sun/POF 29 Leo
his p Karma 27 Leo
his n Mercury 27 Aqua
my n Vertex 25 Leo
my n Amor 28 Leo

his p Valentine 14 Sag
my n NN 14 Sag

his p Venus 6 Virgo
my n Venus 6 Virgo

his p Mercury 18 Virgo
his p Cupido 21 Virgo
his n Sun 21 Pisces
my n Sun 20 Virgo

his p Neptune/MC 9 Sag
his n Neptune 9 Sag

EDIT: I included the quincunxes for a possible Yod formation.

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posted September 28, 2014 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Orange,

wow! I am really stunned/ glad that it worked so well as timing tool for you.

Did you see any tight synastric aspects involving tertiaries?

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Ceri

YES

in our synastry, his Sun in Aries exactly opposes my Venus, so in the tertiary for that month, my Tp DSC was exactly on his Sun ( and Saturn) at 17' Aries.

In his tertiary - the Tp MC was at 15' Gemini which is my natal IC ( 15' Gemini), and his Tp ASC was at 18' Virgo, which is my natal Vertex ( 18' Virgo).
his Tp Vertex is at 1' Pisces, which is my natal ASC ( 1' Pisces).

The Venus - Mars upcoming conjunction I the tertiary, is becoming exact in the end of next year. It's a pretty powerful tertiary - the Venus-Mars conjunction becomes exact at 15'-16' Gemini exactly on my natal IC, and the Tp Sun is exactly dead on the Tp DSC, (which is the degree of my natal Jupiter).

posted September 28, 2014 02:26 PM            

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12. 5 per day is not possible, since the Moon at 3 Sept is 9 Virgo and at 30 September is 24 Virgo.

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...however, ^^this sounds like a Lunar Month. The current month you're living in. I always thought the Tertiary Progressed moon was the one found in the "progressed" date, not the current lunar month.

Eg. there are 13 lunar months in a year, roughly. So, if you're 20yo you would've lived 20x13, 260 lunar months. From here, you would get your ephemeris and count 260 days after birth, this date should correspond with the current month you're in, 260th after birth. Next, once you find the planetary outline for this date, you would then transit the moon around the zodiac. To accomplish this the tpMoon much travel 12.5 degrees per day, roughly.