posted September 30, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
There's got to be something else at play because Pluto is a generational planet and can last 30 years in 1 sign which means that there's TONS of people who will have same degrees of Pluto for years.

Someone's Pluto to your personal planet is too vague and not specific about the person's interaction with you. There's got to be involvement with the other person's superior planets... maybe Mars or Saturn.

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posted September 30, 2014 02:01 PM            

If the energy is mutual in synastry (DW simple or mixed), chances are it won't be unrequited. The more connective the synastry, the more connective the Venus/Pluto bond.
If the synastry is unrequited, this aspect will play as unrequited.

Because of its generational impact (and orbs are not necessarily the most important thing here, because a DW for instance, accepts wider orbs and gives a composite Venus/Pluto), it's not an aspect to be analyzed by itself, out of the synastry's context. Actually, I believe none of them should be.

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posted September 30, 2014 02:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Logical. But, no, not so in practise. Generational -- absolutely, but there are still reasons for these aspects. You'd think I'd be inundated with many men from my generation. Not so. There are certain reasons why I've unconsciously avoided them. I tend more to find myself involved with men who are a bit younger or much older. Those inter-aspects appear to resonate better for me.

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No, I never thought you'd be bombarded with a ton of dudes with similar Pluto degrees at all. It's fairly regular that females, esp. in their 20s and early 30s pair up with men that a bit younger or somewhat older (like 10-15 yrs more).

I think the overemphasis of Pluto is grasping at straws and trying to overanalyze something that's so general is a desperate attempt to find answers that you'd want and shows lack of acceptance of what simple answer lies before you. If he really creeps you out, then why are you privately obsessing over him?

posted September 30, 2014 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
My opinion is that Venus/Pluto has two possible manifestations: unrequited love/deep mutual transforming love and passion.

If the energy is mutual in synastry (DW simple or mixed), chances are it won't be unrequited. The more connective the synastry, the more connective the Venus/Pluto bond.
If the synastry is unrequited, this aspect will play as unrequited.

Because of its generational impact (and orbs are not necessarily the most important thing here, because a DW for instance, accepts wider orbs and gives a composite Venus/Pluto), it's not an aspect to be analyzed by itself, out of the synastry's context. Actually, I believe none of them should be.

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posted September 30, 2014 03:17 PM            

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Originally posted by a_may_gemini:
No, I never thought you'd be bombarded with a ton of dudes with similar Pluto degrees at all. It's fairly regular that females, esp. in their 20s and early 30s pair up with men that a bit younger or somewhat older (like 10-15 yrs more).

I think the overemphasis of Pluto is grasping at straws and trying to overanalyze something that's so general is a desperate attempt to find answers that you'd want and shows lack of acceptance of what simple answer lies before you. If he really creeps you out, then why are you privately obsessing over him?

No, don't answer that. It's not an actual question, it's a rhetorical one.

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Because this is an astrology forum--and while there may be many other explanations one can come up with in life--on an ASTROLOGY FORUM, I want to ANALYZE astrology aspects. I can come up with my own LIFE conclusions in my other realms.

posted September 30, 2014 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I'm trying to see how this works in my own synastry case.
It's a near exact conjunction - but not a DW.
Composite is a semi sextile between the 2- then progressed composite makes it an exact sextile.
How would it show as unrequited in the chart?

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It's difficult to describe an unrequited synastry in a few words, but to summarize (the short version)
- the fact that it's such an exact aspect, but no DW is a possible first clue (unless there are several other mutual aspects to Pluto in both charts)

an unrequited synastry usually has:
- a focal configuration - not many aspects, but those that are there, half of them are exact or very tight, half unaligned, as if the meeting between those two people has a very specific purpose /deadline

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I suppose the most important thing that stands out: no mutuality, an unbalance
one is more aspected in his personal planets
one has love overlays, the other hasn't
one has many aspects to their planets, the other has one or few unaspected planets
one has his planets right on the other's angles, the other hasn't
then there are specific combos: Venus/Pluto, Moon/Pluto, Sun/Pluto, Venus/Saturn, Neptune etc.
etc etc

posted September 30, 2014 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

It's difficult to describe an unrequited synastry in a few words, but to summarize (the short version)
- the fact that it's such an exact aspect, but no DW is a possible first clue (unless there are several other mutual aspects to Pluto in both charts)

an unrequited synastry usually has:
- a focal configuration - not many aspects, but those that are there, half of them are exact or very tight, half unaligned, as if the meeting between those two people has a very specific purpose /deadline

then
I suppose the most important thing that stands out: no mutuality, an unbalance
one is more aspected in his personal planets
one has love overlays, the other hasn't
one has many aspects to their planets, the other has one or few unaspected planets
one has his planets right on the other's angles, the other hasn't
then there are specific combos: Venus/Pluto, Moon/Pluto, Sun/Pluto, Venus/Saturn, Neptune etc.
etc etc

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posted September 30, 2014 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

It's difficult to describe an unrequited synastry in a few words, but to summarize (the short version)
- the fact that it's such an exact aspect, but no DW is a possible first clue (unless there are several other mutual aspects to Pluto in both charts)

an unrequited synastry usually has:
- a focal configuration - not many aspects, but those that are there, half of them are exact or very tight, half unaligned, as if the meeting between those two people has a very specific purpose /deadline

then
I suppose the most important thing that stands out: no mutuality, an unbalance
one is more aspected in his personal planets
one has love overlays, the other hasn't
one has many aspects to their planets, the other has one or few unaspected planets
one has his planets right on the other's angles, the other hasn't
then there are specific combos: Venus/Pluto, Moon/Pluto, Sun/Pluto, Venus/Saturn, Neptune etc.
etc etc

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As far as overlays and Planets--

Is it the person that is bringing or getting the planets that is getting affected in love overlays?

posted September 30, 2014 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
One more q
In my own synastry with the venus pluto conjunction (it's my venus/his pluto) we have pluto valentine DW- saturn venus inconjunct DW- my venus opposite his chiron and sun/moon mp and his pluto squares my sun/moon mp exact. His venus trines my moon exact & my pluto trines his sun.
Do u think these aspects would count?

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IJ, for your synastry, bump your thread and post your questions there, it's easier for me to look at the pic.

In my opinion, most synastries show their theme (and whether or not they are unrequited) at the planetary level. Asteroids only complete the picture. But some cases are more difficult to evaluate, that's true.

posted September 30, 2014 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
As far as overlays and Planets--

Is it the person that is bringing or getting the planets that is getting affected in love overlays?

Is it the person's planet that has a lot of aspects to it that is feeling it (ex. I only have a few aspects to my Venus in the synastry, but most of my planets make aspects to his Venus)--who in this example is feeling Venus?

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I forgot to add they must match each other's type, directly or indirectly.

The house feels it first; the planet reacts to the house's reaction (to having the planet there). Some planets are more reactive, such as the Moon...the Moon may even feel the house before the house does.

The more aspected a planet is by the other's planets, the more involved in the synastry. But the aspects have to be something that planet needs. If the aspects are contradictory to the natal needs, the planet may not like that strong influence, at least in the long run.

But usually many aspects in a synastry are associated with good relationships.

posted September 30, 2014 05:00 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I'll leave most of what you're asking to the experts here!
But I too have an exact pluto/venus conjunction in synastry.
I'm venus- he's pluto.
It's maddening for me. I feel obsessed, taken over, so drawn to him. It's like nothing I've ever felt for anyone else.
Just when I think it's all in my head- he appears all pluto like wanting to probe into my personal life & throw me for a loop again (saying he does have feelings...) only to be followed by periods of silence again. Then the cycle continues.
It's definitely the most fiery aspect I've ever experienced. Also very painful.

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posted September 30, 2014 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
[b]I'll leave most of what you're asking to the experts here!
But I too have an exact pluto/venus conjunction in synastry.
I'm venus- he's pluto.
It's maddening for me. I feel obsessed, taken over, so drawn to him. It's like nothing I've ever felt for anyone else.
Just when I think it's all in my head- he appears all pluto like wanting to probe into my personal life & throw me for a loop again (saying he does have feelings...) only to be followed by periods of silence again. Then the cycle continues.
It's definitely the most fiery aspect I've ever experienced. Also very painful.

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posted September 30, 2014 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
No...we don't have moon sq uranus! But I could as how that would fit as well

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Oh but I do in mine! One is wide orb trine at 7, and the other as sextile at 2...

So what does this mean?

posted September 30, 2014 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I forgot to add they must match each other's type, directly or indirectly.

The house feels it first; the planet reacts to the house's reaction (to having the planet there). Some planets are more reactive, such as the Moon...the Moon may even feel the house before the house does.

The more aspected a planet is by the other's planets, the more involved in the synastry. But the aspects have to be something that planet needs. If the aspects are contradictory to the natal needs, the planet may not like that strong influence, at least in the long run.

But usually many aspects in a synastry are associated with good relationships.

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OK, so I bombarding his H8 with my Pluto, Moon, NN, and PoF and his H7 with my Mars and Saturn...

He is bringing Neptune to my H5 and Moon/PoF to my H7...

posted September 30, 2014 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Oh but I do in mine! One is wide orb trine at 7, and the other as sextile at 2...

So what does this mean?

(IntuitiveJ we are going to get to the bottom of our synastries some how or another! )

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posted December 21, 2014 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Can anyone else add their experiences with Pluto/Venus?

I'd especially like to know if I there are other aspects I should be looking for as well...

Your thoughts appreciated!

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You mention his Saturn is also conjunct your Venus, which means he has a Saturn-Pluto conjunct your Venus. I can see why you're uncomfortable. Does he seem obsessive/compulsive about you? Does his Mars aspect his Saturn-Pluto? Any of your planets beside your Sun aspect his Moon?

posted December 21, 2014 11:08 PM            

Natally, he has Venus very loosely conjunct Pluto in Scorpio(11*), and I have Pluto in Scorpio Quindecile Pluto exact in my 8th house.

In synastry, his Pluto in Scorpio AND Venus in Scorpio is conjunct my Pluto in Scorpio.
His Pluto in Scorpio is Quindecile my Venus in Taurus.

To put it mildly, we are both territorial over each other even though we aren't official, and when we talk there is lots of sex talk, and what we like about each other, and seduction. lol.

His friend sought me out online, and as soon as we spoke, it was intense instant attraction...then we started fighting. lol.

It's crazy, yet spellbinding; I hate his ego but am drawn too it; he hates that I make him work for stuff everybody gives him for nothing, but he admires me for it.

posted December 22, 2014 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by starmoon:
thia is not completely accurate. pluto is a generational sign, yes, but it will not always make an exact 0 degree aspect with your venus, or any other sign. that is is why her aspect - exact - to his pluto holds significance. she may have the same aspect with someone else in that guy's age group, but it could be to a wider degree. which is why, in syastry, degrees matter a lot, and why, with generational planets you really only look at aspects below 2 degrees, because once you get above that it matters less for generational planets. but 0 degree contacts are always important in synastry, even with an outer planet. not everyone with pluto will make that connection to her

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"Not everyone with Pluto will make that connection to her."

Precisely.

posted December 22, 2014 01:55 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
OK if that's the case, He is Pluto...and has Pluto/Venus in his Natal...so how does he handle power?

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That's a matter of how evolved the soul is. In my view, that cannot be known by the chart, which is not to say a highly evolved astrologer couldn't tune into that.

posted December 22, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I forgot to add they must match each other's type, directly or indirectly.

The house feels it first; the planet reacts to the house's reaction (to having the planet there). Some planets are more reactive, such as the Moon...the Moon may even feel the house before the house does.

The more aspected a planet is by the other's planets, the more involved in the synastry. But the aspects have to be something that planet needs. If the aspects are contradictory to the natal needs, the planet may not like that strong influence, at least in the long run.

But usually many aspects in a synastry are associated with good relationships.

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In a house overlay, if the house person's Moon has hard aspects to Saturn and Uranus, (Moon in the 10th opposed Uranus in the 4th) and the Moon is the 4th house ruler, is it possible that they won't feel the partner's Moon in their 4th at all?