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tgem
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posted April 21, 2013 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it true any aspect between two charts in synastry is better than no aspect at all? Here are two examples: for the knowledgable ones, which synastry would play out more positively?

First synastry:
Mercury square mercury
Mercury square mars
Mercury opposite pluto
Mercury trine moon
Mercury trine saturn
Mercury trine neptune
Sextile venus
Sextile jupiter

Second synastry:
Mercury's do not aspect
Mercury square sun
Square pluto/ opposite pluto (DW)
Opposite jupiter/ semi-sextile jupiter (DW)
Trine moon
Trine saturn
Trine neptune
Inconjunct/opposite ASC (DW)
Sextile/ trine MC (DW)
Square NN

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posted April 22, 2013 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've both in one synastry.

His mercury,
opp my Sun/Mars
square my Moon
trine my Saturn

My mercury aspects none of his planets, given I don't count out of sign aspects.

We argue like tom and jerry. It's difficult to get a point across without initiating an argument. We debate over irrelevant things like religion, whether the pharmacist will sell a particular drug without prescription...He says I'm forever in an attack mode and I think he's hyper sensitive, critical, condescending, patronizing...We're still struggling to understand each other though we explained things clearly, long back.

As invisible mercury, I feel he doesn't see the sensible, rational, intelligent being in me. He thinks I'm a chicken head and says so bluntly. It took me 3-4 months to show him I've a brain that can rival and even beat his. However, he's still not convinced. We talk a lot of 'knowledge' as in science, religion, etc. If I'm sharing something, he says it's B.S. and then checks for accuracy. Most of the time, I share accurate, well-researched stuff while he's talking crap gathered from the grapevine. Yet, according to him, I'm dumb. Besides, he has a problem with my writing style. I prefer abbreviating words while he prefers 'message' over 'msg'. He expected me to change and I, today, stick to full forms. On the other hand, when I asked him to punctuate sentences, he chucked my demand in the dustbin.

It's hell to be on both sides. Look to the composite. We've Sun opp Mercury in composite which doesn't help matters.

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posted April 22, 2013 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for curious girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is important to have any aspect between mercuries in synastry, IMO.

I know of two people who have tight square and they argue a lot.

Me and my friend, we have his mars my mercury conjunct and we can argue unless we deliberately stop and change a topic (we have lots of pleasing aspects, too).

Me and my other friend, we have merucires sextile and it´s fun, fun, fun. Same sense of humor.

With someone else we have mercuries exactly conjunt, both of us have Mercury trine Neptune natally and for so many times we misunderstood each other. Seems like we are so attuned to each other and that is a disturbing influence.

However, I don´t like it when my Mercury squares someone else´s. I can be sure we will have misunderstandings.

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posted April 22, 2013 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes! It's true - and it's very essential!!


I made a thread about it here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203016.html

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posted April 22, 2013 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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He thinks I'm a chicken head and says so bluntly

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he chucked my demand in the dustbin.

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Just charming.

I think it might be time to chuck *him* in the dustbin.

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posted April 22, 2013 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for meyray     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beware of Mercury square Mars in the first synastry - it can cause heated arguments and set off pet peeves (in relation to how you express yourselves). Don't worry to much though, Mercury trine Saturn would definitely balance things out (depending on which planets are more dominant)

For me personally the most unbearable Mercury aspect is Mercury square Saturn - if you're the Saturn person you're constantly annoyed and want to censor the Mercury person; if you're the Mercury person you always feel like the Saturn person is judging you and is annoyed by you.

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posted April 22, 2013 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
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Just charming.

I think it might be time to chuck *him* in the dustbin.


No relationship's perfect. No two people are the same. You just need to compromise. That's him. I'm the Mars person in synastry and what I just wrote was from my point of view. Maybe, he's right somewhere as Mercury but I am unable to see it. It's not like he's absolutely selfish. Even I've my selfish moments.

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I'm not fond of my Saturn squaring someone's Mercury. As Saturn, I find them boring. I've also noticed that Mercury doesn't really open up around me. It's the same when I'm Mercury aspecting another's Saturn. I feel inferior, as if Saturn's there to judge every word I say, they're better than me. Instead, I just shut up.

Mercury trine Neptune is very romantic and idealistic. Writing letters, poems...for each other. We've it in the composite and there have been several instances when we've tried calling each other at the same time or texted the exact thing simultaneously...
On the negative side, there's little bit of innocent lying involved. Nothing harmful though.

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posted April 22, 2013 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously Mercury is very important in synastry. But I think the level of importance depends on the individual charts. If someone is very Mercurial (Gemini/Virgo/Mercury prominent), it will be really important to them. If someone doesn't have a prominent Mercury, it may be easier for them to deal with the negative aspects or the lack of Mercury aspects.

In my experience, squares are very difficult to handle. Communication just doesn't flow, no matter how hard you try to make it work. Saturn in the mix can be fatal! It's not completely unmanageable, but I'd rather have flowing aspects with Mercury. It's so much easier to relate to each other and you don't have to worry about being criticised or misunderstood.

When there are no Mercury aspects, you're just on completely different wavelengths. It's like there's nothing to talk about. And if you do talk about something, there's rarely a feeling of true exchange. It's a bit shallow and awkward. Again, this is just my experience.


Moon/Mercury or Venus/Mercury aspects are very popular between close people, especially in friendships I've noticed.


I don't ever want to have a Mercury square Mars aspect in synastry.. it always ends in conflict and sometimes verbal abuse.

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posted April 22, 2013 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Hey Doux,

what about mercury trine mars at -3 degree?

and his mercury biquintile my mercury 1 degree DW. My Venus biquintile his venus 1 degree DW.His venus biquintile my mercury DW.Basically my venus-mercury exact conjunction biquintile his venus and mercury.How do you reckon it plays out in a synastry.Does it explain why I feel as if I don't have to talk for him to understand me and vice versa?

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posted April 22, 2013 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jessica,

Mercury trine Mars is a nice aspect to have, it can create an easy flow of ideas and communication. But it can also lead to heated conversations, although definitely not as tense as with the hard aspects.

I don't pay much attention to minor aspects such as the biquintile. But the fact that you have a Mercury/Venus conjunction (and he does too?) is a good thing by itself - you are pleasing to talk with and value harmony in communication. And if there are no afflictions to either Mercury in synastry, then why would there be conflict?

Now, if you feel like you guys can understand each other without talking, I'd look for Neptune connected to the Moon or Mercury (synastry and composite) or Water houses.

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posted April 22, 2013 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've my selfish moments.

But would you be disrespectful and call him names like "chicken head" or "dumb" or act like his opinions don't matter to you?

I don't know. He just doesn't sound like a caring person. I mean you know him - I don't.
If you're happy overall, and these are just minor tiffs - then it's all good.

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posted April 22, 2013 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinswans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

When there are no Mercury aspects, you're just on completely different wavelengths. It's like there's nothing to talk about. And if you do talk about something, there's rarely a feeling of true exchange. It's a bit shallow and awkward. Again, this is just my experience.


Do you mean aspects between the 2 mercuries or mercury and other planets?

How would this situation be?
No aspect between both mercuries.
my mercury trine his mars and oppose his Saturn (both at 1 degree)
his mercury square my Uranus and Neptune (1 degree).
But, we both have mercury and venus in each other's 3rd houses....and composite mercury conjunct venus in the 3rd house opposite sun in 9th.

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posted April 22, 2013 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant no Mercury aspects at all.

In your case, I think there may be some challenges, especially with Saturn and Neptune in the mix. What can happen is that one of you may feel frustrated with the other, like they can't express themselves fully to the other person. With Neptune some truths may be concealed, vague communication or misunderstandings.

But with Mercury conjunct Venus in the composite, things can be worked out, watch out for ego games though (afflicted Sun).

Just try to be honest, really. I think that's the most important thing. Honest but gentle, avoid harsh or critical speech.

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posted April 22, 2013 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for twinswans     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I meant no Mercury aspects at all.

In your case, I think there may be some challenges, especially with Saturn and Neptune in the mix. What can happen is that one of you may feel frustrated with the other, like they can't express themselves fully to the other person. With Neptune some truths may be concealed, vague communication or misunderstandings.

But with Mercury conjunct Venus in the composite, things can be worked out, watch out for ego games though (afflicted Sun).

Just try to be honest, really. I think that's the most important thing. Honest but gentle, avoid harsh or critical speech.


very true.....thanks
ya...I guess we should be careful about ego games since we also have composite pluto conjunct asc exact.

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posted April 22, 2013 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jessica2407     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hi Jessica,

Mercury trine Mars is a nice aspect to have, it can create an easy flow of ideas and communication. But it can also lead to heated conversations, although definitely not as tense as with the hard aspects.

I don't pay much attention to minor aspects such as the biquintile. But the fact that you have a Mercury/Venus conjunction (and he does too?) is a good thing by itself - you are pleasing to talk with and value harmony in communication. And if there are no afflictions to either Mercury in synastry, then why would there be conflict?

Now, if you feel like you guys can understand each other without talking, I'd look for Neptune connected to the Moon or Mercury (synastry and composite) or Water houses.


he doesn't have a venus-merc conjunction,only I do. Both our merc and venus biquintile each other at 1 degree orbs.we have merc opp moon,merc sextile uranus,merc sq pluto,merc sextile NN,merc quintile MC,merc conjunct saturn,mercu trine neptune...blehhh lots of merc aspects!

moon semisq neptune exact.

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posted April 22, 2013 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes mercury is essential for synastry. Whether its friends, family or lovers. Having a single mercury aspect is better than having no mercury aspects at all. Ex. Most of the family members that I have the best communication with have a few major aspects with me. There really isn't any substitute for mercury aspects.

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I think its important. My boyfriend has mercury in cancer and my mercury is in gemini.

My sun is gemini
His sun is gemini
My asc is cancer

Helps us alot

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posted April 23, 2013 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is all very interesting, thank you. Does anyone have mercury/ NN contacts in synastry or composite? How has that played out in the relationship...especially hard aspects?

I'm a very mercurial type with moon and venus in Gemini and mars and saturn in the 3rd so mental/verbal communication is very important to me.

Therefore I wonder what it would mean if someone's mercury squares my NN in addition to having positive mercurial aspects?

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posted April 23, 2013 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for meissieri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Depends on the person. A strong Mercury influence, like said, would make communication important to you. Having Gemini/Virgo/Mercury in the 7th house as well (or 5th/8th), you need someone you can talk to. Same with the ruler of the 7th in the 3rd maybe?

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Originally posted by tgem:
This is all very interesting, thank you. Does anyone have mercury/ NN contacts in synastry or composite? How has that played out in the relationship...especially hard aspects?

I'm a very mercurial type with moon and venus in Gemini and mars and saturn in the 3rd so mental/verbal communication is very important to me.

Therefore I wonder what it would mean if someone's mercury squares my NN in addition to having positive mercurial aspects?


Forgot my north node in cancer also conjuncts his mercury in cancer.

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This is super interesting to me because my mercury is unaspected natally (not including minor aspects), and with both the guy I'm dating currently and the only other official relationship I've ever been in, my mercury is unaspected in synastry.

I'll have to reflect on what exactly that might mean lol


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posted April 24, 2013 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini??     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the people I have the best rapports with have their Mercury trine mine.

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

And yes, I'm a guy!

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For only mercury. I think it'd be better not to have a square to another mercury ,mars,saturn.
Because you won't have the same opinion on any situation. And may lead to not understanding/fighting with eachother.

I have my mars and mercury both square my bf mars and mercury...it's really a hard one for every basic life. Our thouht /how we communicate/ interest/act are so different like we come from another planet. We're lucky that we don't have the saturn touch our mecury , then how we communicate in relationship muss be only confrontation and repression.

We have others good aspect helping ie. Sun-moon , venus-moon , venus and jupiter fall in 7th. --> all double whammy.

HTH,

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posted April 24, 2013 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ail221     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
This is all very interesting, thank you. Does anyone have mercury/ NN contacts in synastry or composite? How has that played out in the relationship...especially hard aspects?

I'm a very mercurial type with moon and venus in Gemini and mars and saturn in the 3rd so mental/verbal communication is very important to me.

Therefore I wonder what it would mean if someone's mercury squares my NN in addition to having positive mercurial aspects?


With relationships no I haven't come across this aspect. But I have in a friendship synastry. Mercury sq Mars can cut off communication even with Mercury conjunct NN and Mercury conjunct Jupiter at least from my experience. Then again if you have aspects such as Mercury sq Mars, or Pluto-Mercury these aspects may not effect you as much.

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posted August 11, 2014 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for margym0o     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an interesting thread to revisit.

In my synastry with my partner my Mercury is aspected 5 ways, whereas his is only aspected once.

We have a mix of aspects - about 50/50 positive/negative aspects but would the damned Mercury square Mars still rule?

Our aspects (me being the Mercury):

Mercury conjunct Sun (+0.50)
Mercury square Pluto (+1.41)
Mercury square Mars (-2.20)
Mercury sextile Moon (+3.21)
Mercury conjunct Mercury (+9.45)

Also,
Mercury conjunct NN (9.08)
Mercury oppose Lilith (0.36)

I have Mercury oppose Mars natally and Saturn in my 3rd house, and he has Mercury square Saturn natally, so we both deal with challenges regarding our own personal communication.

Is this just a huge Mercury mess?! Or do our own natal aspects help us deal with the more difficult aspects because we are used to challenges?

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