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Yes, indeed.

my tropical to oriental

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The Chiron-Sun/Mercury conjunction, do you feel it as it's written in the descriptions, or differently? What is their tropical link and did you suspect there had to be something more?

How do you feel Psyche-Uranus? What does Psyche represent to you?

IC-NN/Neptune, do you have artistic talents, or is this coming out differently?

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Lots of Venus-Pluto in your synastry, definitely. His solar Pluto on his tropical Venus seems like a really magnetic aspect. Your solar Venus opp. your Pluto would make you become good at expressing things about strong emotions, I think. Since your Sun is conjunct your Mercury, I think this would be more in the rational area of life.

posted October 20, 2014 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I was thinking about a next thread about this, I know Ceri won't fully agree with me I think Draco signs is a bit how we evolve, how we'll become when we reach our full potential in this life - I don't know when this happens, perhaps when we die hahahaha. My sidereal ASC is in Sag too.

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This must be my Mars at 0 Libra What do you think? Aries point planets show the highest peak of a person, it's a bit like having that planet on MC, so it makes sense for it to be conjunct NN as well, symbolically.

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Hm interesting. He looked Saturnian and Pluto to me. When I first saw him, I was a bit overwhelmed and even embarrassed by his strong reaction. How do you see Saturn on ASC in synastry?

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Uranus being the ruler of my intercepted 1st is, in fact, my chart ruler, at least for the second part of life. No wonder Draco Sun is there Aquarians help me become myself. It is also peregrine, so yes, definitory I guess. Strong duads there as well. Draco Uranus in Aqua. Moon Q Uranus, Venus septile Uranus in my natal. Something in the background becoming full at some point. What do you think?

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Sun 23 Virgo
my natal Sun 20 Virgo

what do you think about this aspect? and how would you describe the dynamics between sign and House placements?

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From what I'm seeing so far, and this is all just personal opinion now, the Tropical Zodiac is the "real" one, the one that affects all nature. Plants, animals and oceans all live and evolve according to this schedule. That's the one that we all have in common. But the House Zodiac is a personal zodiac, a map, a cycle, of our own making. I think the house zodiac attracts Tropical positions to sort of reorient itself. It craves that energy, as it's more solid, more natural, more objectively "there".

I quite liked what Aubyanne showed us, in that her main character, her literary projection, has the Tropical Sun degree of her own House Sun. Her character is literally an expression of herself, and if you consider writing as a form of therapy, it was an attempt at solidifying the personal Sun, into a Tropical Sun.

posted October 20, 2014 04:09 PM            

About my Saturn...it's my ASC ruler and conj my DSC, Saturn is my DSC planet. It embodies, at least partly, my ideal partner/my relating style. So I guess my Saturn conj someone's ASC is a bit like my DSC conj someone's ASC.

posted October 20, 2014 04:21 PM            

Firstly, the hSun - Sun, I'm seeing this as quite strong. I think it might have to do with looking-up to someone in a way, being impressed, seeing something in them that you sort of wish you could be. Seeing an easy expression of that Tropical energy where for you it comes diluted.

I don't know much about AVX.

His house Moon on your IC is a big one, too. It's sort of like the wandering Moon finding its place. How do you feel this one in your relationship?

Is he a Libra AC?

The 2VIR placements are pretty nice. How do you feel the difference between his hJupiter on your Sun/Moon-mp, and between someone who had their tropical Jupiter there?

His personal Nodal Axis is right on your Draconic Venus-Juno axis? Wow.

Your hEros/his hJuno on your tropical Moon, hmmm. Pretty big deal I think. How are you feeling that one?

A Virgo that's really into Vesta, how unsurprising. I think there's quite a bit of evidence slowly mounting up about Vesta for Virgo rulership. I personally look at Vesta before I look at Mercury when I'm hunting down rulers in a chart.

posted October 21, 2014 05:04 AM            

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The Sun is conjunct my duad Sun exact

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posted October 21, 2014 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
For your placements, Lee.

Firstly, the hSun - Sun, I'm seeing this as quite strong. I think it might have to do with looking-up to someone in a way, being impressed, seeing something in them that you sort of wish you could be. Seeing an easy expression of that Tropical energy where for you it comes diluted.

I don't know much about AVX.

His house Moon on your IC is a big one, too. It's sort of like the wandering Moon finding its place. How do you feel this one in your relationship?

Is he a Libra AC?

The 2VIR placements are pretty nice. How do you feel the difference between his hJupiter on your Sun/Moon-mp, and between someone who had their tropical Jupiter there?

His personal Nodal Axis is right on your Draconic Venus-Juno axis? Wow.

Your hEros/his hJuno on your tropical Moon, hmmm. Pretty big deal I think. How are you feeling that one?

A Virgo that's really into Vesta, how unsurprising. I think there's quite a bit of evidence slowly mounting up about Vesta for Virgo rulership. I personally look at Vesta before I look at Mercury when I'm hunting down rulers in a chart.

Your hVesta-your AC is pretty interesting. Do you think people mistake you for a Virgo AC sometimes?

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His ASC is 28 Virgo, so most of the 1st house is in Libra and his chart is subjected to the Libra rule: all houses contain the opposite sign This is the fascinating integration of duality all Libra ASC face. In his chart, it is even more obvious, since his chart is built around two Kites:

one from Mars to Neptune, supported by Venus and Pluto - an Air to Fire Kite
one from MC/Saturn/SN to IC/NN, supported by Mercury/ Jupiter and Uranus - another Air to Fire Kite

another opposition he needs to integrate: MC conj SN

I find this interesting because our synastry is built around a Sun/Sun opposition. I believe the connection between the Suns in a synastry is definitory for that synastry. The Sun is the Sun, after all. Another interesting fact: my own chart revolves around an integration of an opposition as well, since my chart is built around a Yod/Bucket (Fan, actually)

For this reason, being a near Libra ASC, all his House placements are in the opposite sign, on different degrees, of course.

His tropical Jupiter is already on my far Sun/Moon mdp, so it's hard to say the difference is that the tropical Jupiter is 1.30 on my mdp, while the house Jupiter is exact, as you could see. What do you think it means?

I think the Moon on IC and our double Venus/IC Draco conjunction gives this feeling that he is my soul, the same as my soul - in a masculine version.

As you can see here, we also have a Moon/Venus DW connection, in synastry, duads and with the house placements.

"Your hEros/his hJuno on your tropical Moon, hmmm. Pretty big deal I think. How are you feeling that one?"

I'm not sure what to tell about this one lol but I find it interesting in connection with my Draco Eros conj my tropical Sun (1).

Vesta is 5 degrees from my MC, but I consider it on my MC. Maybe the house conjunction to the ASC is a parallel to that. Most people think I'm a Scorpio lol well, the MC is in Scorpio, so maybe that's indeed a connection here. (however, being an 8th houser, this could be the main reason for being seen as a Scorpio)

I often wondered if MC influences appearance/first level personality as well, being such a visible part of our chart. What do you think?

Do y'all look like your MC?

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posted October 22, 2014 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[b]The Sun is conjunct my duad Sun exact

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HP to natal
Mercury conjunct Pholus
Venus conjunct Antivertex
Uranus conjunct SN
Pluto conjunct MC
Vesta conjunct IC
Pholus conjunct NN

In relation to my chart they are or almost are quineciles.

posted October 24, 2014 11:06 AM            

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His ASC is 28 Virgo, so most of the 1st house is in Libra and his chart is subjected to the Libra rule: all houses contain the opposite sign This is the fascinating integration of duality all Libra ASC face. In his chart, it is even more obvious, since his chart is built around two Kites:

one from Mars to Neptune, supported by Venus and Pluto - an Air to Fire Kite
one from MC/Saturn/SN to IC/NN, supported by Mercury/ Jupiter and Uranus - another Air to Fire Kite

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another opposition he needs to integrate: MC conj SN

I find this interesting because our synastry is built around a Sun/Sun opposition. I believe the connection between the Suns in a synastry is definitory for that synastry. The Sun is the Sun, after all. Another interesting fact: my own chart revolves around an integration of an opposition as well, since my chart is built around a Yod/Bucket (Fan, actually)

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For this reason, being a near Libra ASC, all his House placements are in the opposite sign, on different degrees, of course.

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His tropical Jupiter is already on my far Sun/Moon mdp, so it's hard to say the difference is that the tropical Jupiter is 1.30 on my mdp, while the house Jupiter is exact, as you could see. What do you think it means?

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I think the Moon on IC and our double Venus/IC Draco conjunction gives this feeling that he is my soul, the same as my soul - in a masculine version.

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As you can see here, we also have a Moon/Venus DW connection, in synastry, duads and with the house placements.

"Your hEros/his hJuno on your tropical Moon, hmmm. Pretty big deal I think. How are you feeling that one?"

I'm not sure what to tell about this one lol but I find it interesting in connection with my Draco Eros conj my tropical Sun (1).

Vesta is 5 degrees from my MC, but I consider it on my MC. Maybe the house conjunction to the ASC is a parallel to that. Most people think I'm a Scorpio lol well, the MC is in Scorpio, so maybe that's indeed a connection here. (however, being an 8th houser, this could be the main reason for being seen as a Scorpio)

I often wondered if MC influences appearance/first level personality as well, being such a visible part of our chart. What do you think?

Do y'all look like your MC?[/b]

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posted October 24, 2014 03:48 PM            

Well, Sun - Venus - Mercury - Mars - Pluto in the 8th must help too, for people to think I'm a Scorp

I make a Star of David for one of the Kites, but personally I think a Kite has direction and maybe disturbing it is not the best course; I think a Kite needs planets on its planets, needs support. A Kite is a flying, aerodynamic structure, very different from the Star.

My natal opp is the core of a Yod surrounded by a Fan. The apex is Jupiter and Jupiter has aspects to all the other planets in my chart. Jupiter opposes Sun and Venus on the mdp. So Sun/Venus opp Jupiter. He has Mars opp Neptune. Not uninteresting, considering both Jupiter and Neptune are Pisces's domain and because of the Yin/Yang pair. Me Venus, him Mars

Hahahaha I like the Bond girl metaphor. It goes well with his 5th stellium, so we should try a tip to Vegas Well, Jupiter is also his DSC ruler - DSC in Pisces.

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posted October 26, 2014 01:38 PM            

What is the relationship between the house c planets and the sign c planets?

What is the relationship between the house c planets and the natals, when they are conjunct?

posted October 26, 2014 03:47 PM            

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How would you describe the House Composite placements, LD?

What is the relationship between the house c planets and the sign c planets?

What is the relationship between the house c planets and the natals, when they are conjunct?

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I'll try to summarize what I wrote.
Do you know Plato's Cave? There is the fire, and the people who walk around the fire. And then there are those chained on the other end and looking at the shadows on the wall. The shadows are a projection. And what they see in the shadows is personal.

I liken this to the House Chart, and it's a part of why I've chosen to call it the Shadow Chart. There is the "real" Zodiac, the one that governs the cycles of all of Nature, and there is HC - the personal, projected Zodiac. The projected Zodiac is like the shadows on the wall of the cave.

I think the house positions are attracted to the tropical positions to get a more solid, "real" understanding of the house placement energy. In return, the Zodiac placements learn about how to apply those energies and not just act them out.

In the composite, I think the tropical placement will explain a lot about the house position and the energies will tie together.

I've so far only looked at one composite for house positions; mine with the man I can't seem to ditch from my life.
hMoon charts to tVesta, and hVesta charts to tSun. I mean, pretty funny. All the aspects that Vesta has are a wide-ish square with Saturn and Q with Venus. That's something but it's certainly not all that compelling. But when it charts to both the Sun and the Moon... A frankly unhealthy amount of dedication seems to be explicable now.

So I haven't gotten very far with the composite house chart, a grand total of one analysis has been done.

posted October 26, 2014 04:32 PM            

hSun conjunct tPsyche exact
hSun conjunct tAvx exact

hMoon conjunct tCeres (2)

hMercury conjunct tPallas (1)

hVenus conjunct tPholus exact

hMars conjunct tSun (5)
hMars conjunct tMercury (4)

hJupiter conjunct tKarma exact

hSaturn conjunct tMars (3)
hSaturn conjunct tNN exact
hSaturn conjunct tAmor exact
hSaturn conjunct tCupido exact
hSaturn conjunct tPluto (5)

hUranus conjunct tPOF (3)

hPluto conjunct tMercury (5)
hPluto conjuunct tNeptune (3)

hNN conjunct tMercury (1)
hNN conjunct tNeptune (4)

hVx conjunct tMars exact
hVx conjunct tNN-tCupido-tAmor (3)

hmeanLilith conjunct tASC (3)

hCeres conjunct tJuno-Alma (2)

hVesta conjunct tChiron-Atropos exact

hPholus opposite tUranus (1)
hPholus conjunct tERos-Priapus (1-2)
hPholus conjunct tIC (2)

hPsyche opposite tMars exact
hPsyche conjunct tSN (3)
hPsyche opposite tAmor-Cupido (3)

hEros opposite tVenus (3)

hAmor conjunct tNeptune-Mercury (2)
hCupido conjunct tNeptune-Mercury (2)

hUnion conjunct tSun (1)

hLust conjunct tMoon (2)
hValentine conjunct tMoon (1)
hBML oppospite tMoon (4)
hPriapus conjunct tVenus (2)

posted October 26, 2014 04:45 PM            

hMoon on tCeres, hm, would you say this relationship is emotionally rewarding?

Mercury-Pallas would make it so the relationship is easy to analyze and find patterns in. Not necessarily easy to analyze, but more, there is insight? There are clues to pick up?

Venus-Pholus would make for an explosive attraction. Can you explain how this feels different to you from a tropical conjunction?
And then you also have a Pholus-IC link. So that's kind of a double Pholus-soft planet link. Seems like it would shake things up where it can hurt.

That is a looot of Saturn. hSaturn on a t stelium, that has to be pretty powerful.

posted October 26, 2014 06:23 PM            

I'm still trying to figure out your theory, I know you're working on it and I like to take part at the birth of a theory I can sense what you mean with the projected shadows, the way I perceived it from your description and in reference to Plato's myth leads me to the idea: "things we need to develop", things we have in subtle, yet imperative form, that's why we need the sign (of our house placement) as inspiration.

But I'm less interested in speculating myself and more interested in specific examples which should make things clearer about your view. So I'll list my composite House placements...

BTW, I think your Vesta connection is awesome...it's not only devotion, but the fire of passion to, that's the way I see Vesta, at least....and potential obsession too

So what do you think of these?:

(composite house placements first)

Sun 27.16 Libra
c Uranus 26 Libra - it rules the 3rd house and composite Sun is in Gem
his Draco Sun 27.43 Gem
c Vesta 28 Libra
actually, this house Sun is exactly on Vesta/Uranus mdp

Mercury 25 Libra
still on Uranus. It is interesting his Uranus is 27, my Uranus is 25, so Sun is exactly on his Uranus (5th ruler, Venus disp) and Mercury is exactly on my Uranus (Uranus rules ASC for me). I also find the connection between this combo and a composite Sun in Gem quite interesting.

Moon 6.48 Aqua
his natal Venus 7.44 Aqua
I find it interesting that this composite house Moon also falls in the 3rd house and it is, of course, disp by Uranus

Venus 28.15 Virgo
composite Moon 0 Libra
his ASC 28.18 Virgo, quite impressive this one
my Mars 0 Libra

Mars 10 Sag
composite Neptune 8 Sag
composite Avx 10 Sag

Saturn 13.36 Scorpio
his natal Moon 16 Scorpio, my MC 16 Sc

Uranus 2.41 Pisces
and now we get back to my list on page 1 to see his house Jupiter is 2.41 Virgo on my natal Sun/Moon mdp 2.33 Virgo
composite Jupiter/IC - 6-7 Pisces

Neptune 14 Aries
c Eros 13 Aries
c Valentine 12.36 Libra

Now an important planet, Pluto, the composite chart ruler

Pluto 12.10 Aqua
his natal Venus 7.44 Aqua
his natal Juno 13 Aqua
my Lilith 13 Aqua

NN 25 Aries, which places c Uranus on the house SN, and c Vesta on the SN

POF 14.46 Taurus on my natal IC opp his Moon

Ceres 2.30 Cancer and Juno 3.15 Cancer
c Amor 4 /Saturn 7 Cancer

Vesta 4.35 Pisces
c IC/Jupiter 6-7 Pisces
my Ceres 5 Pisces

Alma 3.50 Leo
c Mars 3.58 Leo
I'm curious what you think about this one
EDIT: important: Mars rules the c 5th house

Eros 19 Leo (and Valentine 19 Aqua)
c Aphrodite 19 Leo
my Moon 15 Leo
his Eros 20 Aqua
his Draco Amor 15 Leo

(and c Lust 22 Aqua)

Psyche 6 Gem
c Cupido 1 Gem
his Mars 7 Gem
my Eros 5 Gem
his Draco Jupiter/Mercury 6 Gem

Union 18 Cap
my ASC 19 Cap
his Sun/Moon mdp 19 Cap
his Draco Vesta 21 Cap

Amor 10 Sc
my Vesta 11 Sc
his Moon/my MC nearby

Cupido 7 Libra
c Pluto 6 Libra

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posted October 26, 2014 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Haha Plato's Cave is one of my favorite things.

I'm still trying to figure out your theory, I know you're working on it and I like to take part at the birth of a theory I can sense what you mean with the projected shadows, the way I perceived it from your description and in reference to Plato's myth leads me to the idea: "things we need to develop", things we have in subtle, yet imperative form, that's why we need the sign (of our house placement) as inspiration.

But I'm less interested in speculating myself and more interested in specific examples which should make things clearer about your view. So I'll list my composite House placements...

BTW, I think your Vesta connection is awesome...it's not only devotion, but the fire of passion to, that's the way I see Vesta, at least....and potential obsession too

So what do you think of these?:

(composite house placements first)

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posted October 27, 2014 09:43 AM            

EDIT: I also notice House Karma on c MC and on my natal Venus, 6.20 Virgo

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posted October 27, 2014 10:22 AM            

First off, the shadow Sun is right on Vesta and they're in Libra. This would give a strong overlay of a dedication to make things work, to stay loyal to the relationship and it puts an importance on compromise. However, considering this is on Uranus, there might be a dose of erratic application of this. A trine to Juno/Ceres might smooth things out, since this is a lot of feminine energy surrounding the Sun+Uranus link (which is quite 'masculine', in the archetypal sense and prone to instability and ego issues).
So we get a sort of main Solar theme of Uranus+big female asteroids.

Following the trail onward, Vesta/Uranus is on Jupiter. This gives a grandness to the expression of Vesta, an even better chance of a highly official link, and also being dedicated and generous toward one another.

Jupiter charts to 13CAN, I think you forgot to mention it. Nothing visible in the composite here, what's there in natals?

Moon is very close to BML. In my experience, BML radiates out pretty strongly, so I am absolutely taking 3°. Since this is on his Venus, I would say that he harbours a fear of losing you, that plays on some of his insecurities. The cMoon-Venus link is very soft, when you charge it with BML, it might want to start playing games to not lose a connection. Just an intuitive thought, that might not be accurate, is that you will need to acknowledge his feminine side for him to feel more secure sometimes. Like pet him and cuddle him or be the big spoon and small, cute, everyday things like that. Which, my guess is, might be a little difficult sometimes with so much Uranus.
And a variation on that theme is shadow Pluto on your Juno/Lilith. That spells out a lot of fear of losing one another, and a deep, deep link on both sides.

I'm confused now, Venus is 29PIS, you wrote 28VIR.
So shadow Venus is conjunct(2) Alma. Which is beautiful. A soul-mate link.
That Alma, in shadow, is on Mars, so, effectively, Alma is a bridge between Venus and Mars. Awwwwwwwwwww.

Shadow Mars is 10SAG, which is Neptune(2). A strong sense of spirituality in the sexuality. And since Neptune is in H1 and charts to Eros(2), the sexual attraction would have probably been obvious and strong since the start. Even if things might have been confusing, you could both sense that "there was something there". Is that similar to how it happened?

posted October 27, 2014 02:20 PM            

Venus is definitely 29 Pisces, which puts it on his DSC 28 Pisces, his Karma/Vertex 23-25 Pisces and maybe his Sun even, 22 Pisces.

Wow such great insights and a beautiful interpretation, LD, thanks so much!

Uranus in our case is probably related to several things: an unlikely couple made of two people from two different worlds, a theme of foreign relocation/traveling the world lol hiding for a long time, then breaking free
And of course, the fact that we are both two Bohemians at heart and definitely New Age

I forgot about BML< thanks so much for the insight - I'll give him spoons Well, my Lilith is in my 1st house conj his Venus and Juno so it makes sense. My Lilith opp my Moon by 1 degree.
Pluto is the composite chart ruler and Venus disp,so this definitely is a focal point - it is one in our synastry for sure. It unites his Kite with mine:
his Love Kite Venus Mars Pluto Neptune unites with my Venus Eros Psyche(Lilith) Neptune Kite. His Venus is on my Psyche/Lilith mdp, conjuncts both.

Mars Neptune Eros.... the feeling Eros between us can be nothing but merging followed by teleportation in another dimension, after which you emerge new and then reality is altered forever.

What do you think Vesta/Uranus on shadow SN could mean?

Ahhh Jupiter yes... nothing in comp. but my Saturn/DSC 16-19 Cancer, his duad Juno 16.48 Cancer

Did you apply the method to Placidus, rather than equal? I think this could be interesting.

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posted October 28, 2014 04:39 PM            

Do you prefer I post the composite with equal houses?

Or maybe you would prefer another composite: Juno/Juno, Venus/ Mars, Sun/Moon ?
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posted November 01, 2014 09:59 AM            

ASC conjuncts comp Saturn/Amor
Jupiter/Ceres conj his Sun, opp mine
Juno opp comp Moon/Pluto
Eros conj his SN 24 Gem and comp Sun/Anteros 21-23 Gem
Saturn/Cupido/Vertex conj my DSC
Mars conj my Moon opp his Venus
Moon/Aphrodite conj my Sun/Venus mdp (which is my Aphrodite), my Sun, my Venus, opp his Sun
Union/Pluto conj my Mars/Pluto, his ASC/PLuto
MC conj his Vesta 15 Libra and composite Valentine/Lust
Sun/Lust conj my Vesta 11 Scorpio and his Moon/my MC 16 Sc

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