posted October 18, 2014 10:23 AM            

What about the sextile and trine? are they twinsoul and soulmate aspects too? and whats the difference between soulmates and twin souls?

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posted October 18, 2014 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:
I had just recently bought Linda Goodman's relationship signs and it said the conjunction between venus & pluto is a soulmate aspect.

What about the sextile and trine? are they twinsoul and soulmate aspects too? and whats the difference between soulmates and twin souls?

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posted October 18, 2014 12:18 PM            

Twin Flames require a lot more study, and a very complex analysis of both natal charts and synastry. There are particular markers which appear for Twin Flames. As of yet, I've discovered VENUS and PLUTO synastry across the board: for Soulmates, Twin Flames, and Karmic Partners.

posted October 18, 2014 12:38 PM            

(Sorry, haven't had my coffee just yet.)

Twin Flames is a theory that's gained weight in recent decades due to the 'impending' 2012 hullaballoo. Now that it's passed and we've all either hooked up or at least brushed shoulders with our Twins (myself included), the dust is settling, and we're wondering what the deal is. Most of us are NOT with our Twins, and I feel there's reason for that.

So, quick disclaimer.

First of all, our Twin Flame IS NOT THE BE ALL, END ALL OF OUR EXISTENCE. Too many of us are desperately seeking our Twins and completely refusing to enjoy, experience to the fullest, and learn from the Soulmates we undoubtedly draw to us. And that drives me crazy. Anyhow.

Twin Flames are said to be operating on the same exact wavelength -- like a unique energy signature; cosmic DNA -- the likes of which would be identical twin siblings, as opposed to fraternal twins, or other family members.

What this means, varies.

In my experience, I've seen my Twin in my reflection, (freaks you out, that one) and we've had regular telepathy, astral interaction -- however you want to call it. As a hardcore sceptic, this completely wrecked my neat-and-tidy reality paradigm, I should add.) But, it would seem, we both have too much individual karma to clear, and we're doing that. Myself most definitely. Him? Well, he's growing. Maturing. It's his Saturn Return now. Should be interesting for him.

I have the, perhaps misguided fortune, of being able to 'choose' my reality. If I reflect too deeply on the 'not being with my Twin' thing, I unquestionably become forlorn and longing for a reality (timeline) which doesn't exist along my primarily observed eigenstate. Mutual actions and decision 'conspired' to bring us here, and that's where we are. I'd rather live than long.

Besides, I'm onto the greater mystery -- unravelling the heavy karma I share with my Guardian Soul, which is one of the central reasons WHY I'm here at all. (Besides being a Twin Flame, obviously.)

And that brings us to Soulmates.

We don't give Soulmates enough credit. Our soul-family is the bread-and-butter of our existence. They love us, teach us, support us, and challenge us. And yet, they're often mistreated; relegated to the 'just friends' status when we'd prefer a romantic relationship. One such dear soul-brother reminded me of the true value of friends; how they're never JUST friends, as friends are among the most wonderful things a person can have. The family we choose, never forget.

Well, we certainly don't choose our Soulmates; we're all following a mutual script that unfolds before us. Nonetheless, we're here for those purposes.

While I do have a 4º sextile with my Twin, of my VENUS to his PLUTO; and his VENUS is 11º from trining my PLUTO, it's with my Guardian that I have an exact aspect, and a 9º.

I certainly CAN relate to the definition Linda offers in Relationship Signs (of which I have both a hardbound and soft paperback copy) It did seem for awhile there that 'nothing can cut the blue-silver cord', but with my Twin, it's more of a taking-centre-stage / moving into-the-background back-and-forth deal. Since I've worked things out with my Guardian, however, it's been constant.

Will it ever be constant with my Twin?

Don't know. Don't think so at this time -- but we'll see. When we begin developing our series, a decade or so now -- we'll see. I'll have a very different life then; for one, much less privacy, heh, but much greater opportunities.

It's all in the choices we make.

So, short story: is VENUS conjunct PLUTO the guarantee of a Soulmate relationship? No. CAN it be an indicator along with much more? Absolutely. Is it the determinant of Twin Flames? No. And, likewise, with even deeper study, can it be just one part of the portrait that shows us.

posted October 18, 2014 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I have the conjunction with someone & it's exact. I was told it can be a marker for a soulmate/TF but more would be needed in the charts to determine...
It's been a life changing connection for me.
I believe the trine & the sextile are the easier aspects of the energies and if it's in close orb it can be felt!

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posted October 18, 2014 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Also, I have the conjunction and sextile with my Guardian Soulmate. iQ has confirmed it's a Soulmate aspect (and Soulmate relationship).

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Whats iQ and a guardian soulmate?

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posted October 18, 2014 03:13 PM            

Justin Timberlake's Mirrors just started playing in my head btw

Venus-Pluto isn't the only aspect that shows Twinflames/Twinsouls (which is the same thing) or soulmates, but like Aubyanne said it can be a part of the whole make-up.
And no this does not mean that everyone you have a Venus/Pluto aspect with is a twinsoul or soulmate or any type of soul connection really. It depends on several other factors in the chart such as the angle's, important houses pertaining to love/partnership, their rulers as well as significant contacts to the personal planets, vertices and nodes.

I have the parallel with a man who has impacted me profoundly since 2008.
I'm Pluto, he's Venus.
Through him I got to experience for myself what real love is. A love that is the deepest I have ever felt or ever knew existed, one that is Godly, soulful and heart-felt.
But at the same time he makes a lot of my fears and subconscious templating surface up to be cleared away. He allows me to do a lot of work on myself and become more of who I really am, because he reflects back to me my core. He is the same as me.
I found that I would usually suppress or deny my feelings for him because I never believed they were real. I thought they were just fantasy and I was fooling myself, and I know to some it does seem that way. But feeling something so deep in one's soul for over 6 years that just keeps getting more stronger and intense over time, something which has transformed you and heightened your capacity for love like no other—is as real as it can get. Thats why I found suppressing or blocking them out is the stupidest thing one can do lol because all it causes is just more pain and its very damaging.
So I'm slowly starting to surrender.

posted October 18, 2014 03:17 PM            

You could search for 'Guardian Soulmate' using the LL search engine.

posted October 18, 2014 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ruden123:
Whats iQ and a guardian soulmate?

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iQ is the Moderator for Asteroid Astrology, and absolutely brilliant. I've learnt SO much from him in such a short while -- and I've been doing this for 25 years!

posted October 18, 2014 03:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Aubyanne, I absolutely agree and relate to everything you said.
Seeing yourself in them is indeed spooky as **** lol, but weirdly comforting at the same time because of the knowing and familiarity you feel, cause you know you have found your home.

Through him I got to experience for myself what real love is. A love that is the deepest I have ever felt or ever knew existed, one that is Godly, soulful and heart-felt.
But at the same time he makes a lot of my fears and subconscious templating surface up to be cleared away. He allows me to do a lot on work myself and become more of who I really am, because he reflects backs to me my core. He is the same as me.

I found that I would usually suppress or deny my feelings for him because I never believed they were real. I thought they were just fantasy and I was fooling myself, and I know to some it does seem that way. But feeling something so deep in one's soul for over 6 years that just keeps getting more stronger and intense over time, something which has transformed you and heightened your capacity for love is as real as it can get. Thats why I found suppressing or blocking them out is the stupidest thing one can do lol because all it causes is just more pain and its very damaging.

So I'm slowly starting to surrender.
I think with this aspect both parties should be very honest with eachother about their feelings, wants, desires and work on their fear of loosing the other. There is nothing superficial about Venus/Pluto at all.

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Yeah. It is. TERRIFYING. I'm pretty sure I burst into tears. I don't know WHY that's funny for me -- but it is. It was SUCH a reality-shattering moment, I think I couldn't even process it.

Or when I was suddenly deciding that, yes, I could choose this relationship with my Guardian -- and maybe -- maybe he's really secretly my Twin after all, and we're just wrong about the rest --

-- and I saw him in my smile in my reflection.

It was almost like -- NOPE. You're not getting away THAT easily.

posted October 18, 2014 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Yeah. It is. TERRIFYING. I'm pretty sure I burst into tears. I don't know WHY that's funny for me -- but it is. It was SUCH a reality-shattering moment, I think I couldn't even process it.

Or when I was suddenly deciding that, yes, I could choose this relationship with my Guardian -- and maybe -- maybe he's really secretly my Twin after all, and we're just wrong about the rest --

-- and I saw him in my smile in my reflection.

It was almost like -- NOPE. You're not getting away THAT easily.

DAMN it! Eh. You make do. :hugs:

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posted October 18, 2014 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Oh I know what you mean.
I guess its because you realize how obvious it is that they ARE you. And there's no running away from yourself.

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posted October 18, 2014 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Are you PLUTO or VENUS, J?

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posted October 19, 2014 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
iQ is the Moderator for Asteroid Astrology, and absolutely brilliant. I've learnt SO much from him in such a short while -- and I've been doing this for 25 years!

You can do a search on 'Guardian Soulmate' and read the various things I've posted during my investigation over time. Some of it may resonate for you. It's in its infancy.

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Thank you Aubyanne your post was very educational

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posted October 20, 2014 04:55 PM            

I am currently involved with someone who I believe is a fated partner for this lifetime for me. Taking things slower than I ever have before which is extremely difficult because the emotions are overwhelming.

I want to see if any of you would think these aspects are relevant because I know natal charts s synastry charts use different orb sizes. But I'm thinking because we naturally have venus/pluto in each of our natal charts it might be relevant despite the size of orb.

He has a natal venus (conjunct mars exact) trine pluto. (5 degree)

I have a natal venus suqare pluto. (8 degree)

My venus is conjunct his venus and mars. (1 degree)

posted October 21, 2014 09:29 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
I'm venus.
From what I've read venus seems to take the harder hit...
I think I have for sure.

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posted October 21, 2014 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:

@Lavendar- thanks for mentioning that song. It's really meaningful to me

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posted October 21, 2014 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by BILL10:
I know a guy who has his venus conjunct his soulmate's pluto and he is obsessed. She, on the other hand, took more time to fall for him.
In the beginning, their relationship was shaky, but he learned to open up to her about his problems, and she was able to reciprocate her love and heal him through he nurturing and calming love.
Once their child came along, his childhood issues started to resolve itself and he started to heal very slowly. He feels like he has a real family, a support system in this "scary world." He doesn't feel alone anymore.
I think she went through a transformation also. I think she realized her love can be powerful. She used to be a type that wasn't very nurturing and outwardly affectionate; she had a "cool" way of showing love.
As he opened up to her, her love for him grew deeper and evolved more into a love that he desperately needed.

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posted October 21, 2014 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Interesting that you describe it this way....my Pluto guy conjunct my Venus has always had a somewhat distant love style, even though he wanted depth he never chose anyone who could give that.
He felt he was worthless in many ways. But he so isn't! He loves very sweet and innocently it might be easy to run him over, but I couldn't do that. He's helping me trust again. I don't want to hurt him but I can see how easy it would be to hurt him so it's making me become more aware of how much my walls can hurt the people who try to love me. I must take them down in order to not hurt him, trying to protect his heart is forcing me to see my walls and take them down.
He's a pisces with a saggy moon.
I'm a saggy with a virgo moon.

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