posted October 21, 2014 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'd say huge never hurt anyone

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posted October 21, 2014 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That was my thought as well, but you expressed it so much better than I could have.

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posted October 21, 2014 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes that is what I wanted to point out; if both parties are mature, recognize that the relationship is special, fight for it and honor it then chiron is a good thing. If there is a lack of maturity and too much pride and lack of relationship skills the sensitivity that comes with chiron contacts will undermine those relationships. I feel both parties have to have reached a certain level of maturity to use chiron as a tool to heal and to be able to handle constructively the deep intimacy that comes with it.

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Exactly It DOES take maturity and dedication. But, honestly, once you both reach that level of awareness and commit to it -- together -- you really can be quite unstoppable.

iQ had expressed that in so many words in stating how my Guardian and I are naturally fated partners for life. I really feel it now, in recent months. How far we've come is incredible, and, to an extent it's always been about healing each other to some extent.

Oddly, my greatest paranoia was that we would heal each other, only for him to decide he doesn't need me anymore. He's helped me see how irrational that is -- slowly. Heh. I'm starting to get it. I realise now that it's my own past pain and fears that have geared me towards, incorrectly, feeling that neither he nor I would simply deserve to be happy together; healed -- and happy.

Now, that's not just a feeble hope, or an abstract goal. It's a sincere intention for the future.

So, that's all I meant by stating that I feel CHIRON relationships can be wonderful -- once you realise what you're in for, and commit to it.

The other day, he said, 'it's never going to be easy; but it's always going to be worth it.' It's his opinion that our relationship is a kind of karmic reward for finally committing to the work -- and each other. I have to agree.

posted October 21, 2014 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
I am out of town and don't have my computer so i can't give a detailed response but is there a difference between a synastry chart and a synastry grid? Because i have both and they say different things. I think that's why I'm confused

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posted October 21, 2014 11:05 PM            

Yes i am using astrology to support my fears of commitment. I come from a very dysfunctional home and have had a few toxic relationships so being vulnerable is hard for me. I'm also trying to work through commitment and intimacy issues. I have something healthy and it sometimes freaks me out. I'm terrified of being "tied down". I'm living in a very fear based place right now. Wanting this relationship to work so bad but afraid it won't. Trying to process everything but my lack of astrology knowledge is making everything so much more confusing.

posted October 21, 2014 11:30 PM            

Okay. Here's the deal. First off, you're catastrophising. (I'm sure you know what that means, so I thought I'd point out to you that, yes, you're doing it.)

Secondly, trust is something you just do. We collect as much data as we possibly can to make the best decision we hope to make -- and then we do. We just do.

Your synastry is fantastic. It's some of the better synastry I've seen in awhile. Using astrology to negate fear is probably one of the oldest practises on Linda Land and beyond. We've all done it. But the reality is that you have a good synastry, and a good relationship.

It's hard, when you've been betrayed over and over and over again, to consider the possibility that you actually might not be. It's taken my husband years to get that through to me, and my partner is just now starting to see how deep this dark rabbit-hole goes. But, luckily, he wants to help me to heal; we're both very dedicated to each other's healing. (And I'm likewise very dedicated to my husband's catharsis and healing.) That's CHIRON for you.

And CHIRON absolutely does not spell doom and gloom. It requires emotional honesty, dedication, and deep sincerity. I went through a kind of purging this past weekend that's drastically altered my behaviour. I feel loved -- rather than fearing that I was an idiot for becoming emotionally invested, and I'm thisclose to being abandoned. Again. (Which reminds me -- have you checked your SEDNA, OPHELIA, and PHILOMELA? Look at DEJANIRA, too. We with these complex patterns tend to have those active.)

He emailed me last night -- just to check in (isn't that amazing?) -- and I waited until earlier today to respond, as I was crashing last night. By now, I would've wanted him to have responded -- but I don't feel the rising anxiety that he hasn't. He's on set. I get it. I've been hella busy, too. I've got an episode to write and casting to get underway. And, even if he doesn't respond in just the way that's soothed frazzled nerves in the past -- I'm still okay. I really get him now, in a way I just hadn't quite before. I know how scattered he gets, and prefers to keep email exchanges free of emotionality because it's a difficult medium for him in that regard. Understanding these things has made a tremendous difference.

Intimacy-building is a process. It takes time.

Do you express your greater fears to your boyfriend? Are you able to tell him, in a timely fashion, what's really concerning you? Do you have a kind of 'code' phrase between you such as 'I'm catastrophising', or 'I know it's irrational, BUT,' -- signalling that you'd like to emote?

The only way we REALLY begin to heal is when we can go to one another, unvarnished and frightened, and be accepted, no matter how weak, insecure, and powerless we feel or seem.

posted October 22, 2014 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Exactly It DOES take maturity and dedication. But, honestly, once you both reach that level of awareness and commit to it -- together -- you really can be quite unstoppable.

iQ had expressed that in so many words in stating how my Guardian and I are naturally fated partners for life. I really feel it now, in recent months. How far we've come is incredible, and, to an extent it's always been about healing each other to some extent.

Oddly, my greatest paranoia was that we would heal each other, only for him to decide he doesn't need me anymore. He's helped me see how irrational that is -- slowly. Heh. I'm starting to get it. I realise now that it's my own past pain and fears that have geared me towards, incorrectly, feeling that neither he nor I would simply deserve to be happy together; healed -- and happy.

Now, that's not just a feeble hope, or an abstract goal. It's a sincere intention for the future.

So, that's all I meant by stating that I feel CHIRON relationships can be wonderful -- once you realise what you're in for, and commit to it.

The other day, he said, 'it's never going to be easy; but it's always going to be worth it.' It's his opinion that our relationship is a kind of karmic reward for finally committing to the work -- and each other. I have to agree.

And it's definitely worth it.

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posted October 22, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I went through a kind of purging this past weekend that's drastically altered my behaviour. I feel loved -- rather than fearing that I was an idiot for becoming emotionally invested, and I'm thisclose to being abandoned. Again. (Which reminds me -- have you checked your SEDNA, OPHELIA, and PHILOMELA? Look at DEJANIRA, too. We with these complex patterns tend to have those active.)

He emailed me last night -- just to check in (isn't that amazing?) -- and I waited until earlier today to respond, as I was crashing last night.

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I went through something very similar this weekend dealing with some powerful emotions connected to my saturn in scorpio in the 11th at 2 deg. Actually I have been dealing with this for a week or two and this weekend it reached its culmination I guess you can say and powerful emotions were released...

I too was crashing last night...I went to sleep like at 8:30 bc I was so tired which is rare for me to go to sleep early.

Do you have anything in scorpio at early degrees in your natal?? We could both be feeling the effects of the partial solar eclipse happening this Thursday:

"A solar eclipse is a New Moon with tremendous impact. The Sun that gives us life and lights our path is joined briefly with the dark and mysterious qualities of the Moon. The Moon blocks the light of the Sun. In this moment of perceived darkness, spirituality and the psyche combine anew, beginning another cycle in the spiral of our personal development.

This solar eclipse takes place with the Sun and Moon at 0 degrees and 24 minutes of Scorpio. The last time there was a solar eclipse close to this degree was in 1995. Think back to the personal themes in your life during the fall of 1995 and review the progress of your personal growth over the last 19 years.

All eclipses indicate change; solar eclipses signify beginnings and usually manifest as events in the outer world. At solar eclipses we: begin something new, make promises to ourselves, commit, announce, present ourselves, show up, make plans, select events, make decisions, rise to the challenge, make an effort, change, mature, take on greater challenges, travel at a faster pace, feel restless, feel pressured by deadlines and a buildup of emotions, experience a crisis and feel excited.

In astrology, we also note at which of the Moon's nodes the eclipse occurs. North nodal eclipses have a personal orientation and symbolize personal identity, ego and the physical body. South nodal eclipses are other-oriented and symbolize a spouse or significant other, relationships and new perspectives based on interaction with others.

This is a north nodal eclipse, suggesting that we are being called to develop new skills and talents through independent effort.

As noted in the Astronomy section above, this is partial eclipse; the Moon does not obscure the light of the Sun. One way of interpreting the symbolism of this fact is that neither the masculine/active/yang energy of the Sun nor the feminine/receptive/yin energy of the Moon dominates. Rather, the joining of the two forces could be described as integrative and unifying, a process of becoming whole. Indicating perhaps that with this eclipse there is an opportunity to experience that sense of integration firsthand, in our personal lives and on a global level.

The heightened impact of eclipse energy can be felt by everyone as much as 3 months in advance and has subtle reverberations for as long as 3 years afterwards. Although the energies are most prominent for a week on either side of the eclipse (many feel a heightened sense of anxiety during this period), the influence on events continues. Eclipse periods are extremely active, often associated with meaningful events and public exposure."

posted October 22, 2014 10:04 AM            

I am going to a concert on saturday, which is bad timing, too, as from monday next week the supervision will come to our school and that puts us all under pressure, too.

posted October 22, 2014 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

[b]Do you have anything in scorpio at early degrees in your natal?? We could both be feeling the effects of the partial solar eclipse happening this Thursday:

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I know you weren`t talking to me, but I was wondering about that myself, as I have

Uranus 1°21 Scorpio
cusp 11 1°35 Scorpio

and my Priapus: 00°08 Leo

hCupido: 29°28 Libra
hProserpina: 29°35 Libra
Union: 29°50 Libra

(interestingly Mr Sag`s Union is on 29°28 Libra, hence PRECISELY on my hCupido)

also I noticed in terms of Draconics and tropical:

my Telephus 0°31 Taurus
my Adonis 27°13 Libra
my Dr Osiris 27°41 Aries
my Dr Isis 28°23 Aries
my Dr Guinevere 0°07 Taurus
my Dr Spirit 0°30 Taurus

his Vesta 2°59 Taurus
his Guinevere 27°34 Libra
his Dr Vertex 27°20 Aries
his Dr Aphrodite 27°31 Aries

Of course most of thse are too far to be considered conjunct, but I found those late LIbra degrees interesting.

I know they are "just" asteroids, but I tend to pay attention when my Uranus gets triggered (funny enough it was, when we first met, by opposition to my pMoon and squar to my pSun).

But expecially these alignments got my attention

his Union conjunct my hCupido 0°00
his Union conjunct my hProserpina 0°07
his Union conjunct my Union 0°22

his Dr Avx conjunct my Adonis 0°07
his Dr Aphrodite opp. my Adonis 0°18
(my Dr Venus oposes his ADonis, too)

and in our composite we have

Union 29°39 Libra
hCupido 2°35 Scorpio
(too wide for a conjunction, but being hit by the ecclipse I suppose)

Chiron 29°49 Aries
Atropos 0°10 Taurus
(the unevitable experience of pain?)

ASC 1°37 Aquarius

and

Dr Alma 29°14 Aries
Dr Lust 1°16 Taurus
Dr Angel 1°24 Taurus
Dr Juno 1°33 Taurus
Dr Valentine 2°45 Taurus

I find the Sabian symbol for 1-2 Taurus very complementary for our ASC 1-2 Aquarius

1-2Taurus
An Electrical Storm

1-2 Aquarius
An Unexpected Thunderstorm

AT the moment my Moon is just on the last degree of CAncer, and will enter 0°00 Leo on 15th november, and of course at that time will also trigger off my Priapus on 0°08 Leo, and starting to square my natal Uranus on 1 scorpio.

In fact the square of pMoon and nUranus will be exact right on my birthday. lol

oh and as of moment of writing here
HIS
pIC 0.33 Leo
pSun 2.28 Aquarius

posted October 22, 2014 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Secondly, trust is something you just do. We collect as much data as we possibly can to make the best decision we hope to make -- and then we do. We just do.

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posted October 22, 2014 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Brilliant, Auby

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See? I'm learning.

posted October 22, 2014 06:31 PM            

Yeah, the SUN-MOON-VENUS Eclipse at 0º SCO is going to be EXACTLY on my nDEJANIRA. And his drASC.

So, did I mention he's my Dom? And we're currently engaged in -- what's the best way to put this -- 'exploring a safe space in which I can confront my darkest fears and reintegrate my vulnerability?'

Did I also mention he's a sadist? Well, a legitimate sadomasochist. It's a spectrum for him, from which he can pull either orientation given the task at hand.

posted October 23, 2014 11:14 AM            

Thank you for your support.

Casting eh? Pick me pick me!
*cough* Leo rising *cough*

posted October 23, 2014 07:53 PM            

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@Hypatia238:

Yeah, the SUN-MOON-VENUS Eclipse at 0º SCO is going to be EXACTLY on my nDEJANIRA. And his drASC.

So, did I mention he's my Dom? And we're currently engaged in -- what's the best way to put this -- 'exploring a safe space in which I can confront my darkest fears and reintegrate my vulnerability?'

Did I also mention he's a sadist? Well, a legitimate sadomasochist. It's a spectrum for him, from which he can pull either orientation given the task at hand.

... Okay. I'm gonna breathe now. Breathe deep.

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Interesting so you use sadomasochism to confront your fears rooted in past abuse and to learn to trust and feel vulnerable again; its an avenue that lets you do both simultaneously bc its done in a safe way within a relationship based on trust...

I never thought of it like that...approaching it that way and for those reasons does change my perspective on it a bit..I am the type to live and let live but I am growth and purpose oriented personally. Its not my cup of tea but I think is great the way you are using it to heal....

You know what is weird when I started talking to my husband online I was also talking coincidentally to another libra guy who lived out of state and he was into sadomasochism which already kind of made me want to be cautious about him although I liked talking to him but then he said his favorite movie was american psycho and I had to choose to meet him or my husband; I went for my husband, I think what tipped it to his favor was that the other guy's favorite movie was american psycho.

The crazy thing is that I ended up dealing with nessus/dejanira theme issues with my husband anyways just not in bed. It was like no matter who I choose it was in the cards and the guy I was dating before I started dating my husband I felt was going in that direction as well; I could sense it...with my husband I did not see it coming.

posted October 23, 2014 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
Aubyanne thank you for sharing your experience. It sounds EXACTLY what I am going through/feeling/thinking. It brings comfort knowing I'm not alone.

Thank you for your support.

Casting eh? Pick me pick me!
*cough* Leo rising *cough*

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posted October 25, 2014 12:55 AM            

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Originally posted by twinflame1914:
I can wear a mustache!

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posted October 28, 2014 10:57 AM            

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I think that the strongest and deepest, extraordinary love comes with Venus-Chiron interaspects, at least that is what I have experienced.

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Interesting...

Chiron conjunc IC in composite seems to be good for bringing two people together that by been together are able to heal past wounds or alleviate past wounds greatly is my personal experience.

Our composite chiron/IC opposes Uranus and this squares venus. Our relationship has ups and downs and is quite the ride but ultimately it is a vehicle for healing past wounds with the love we have for each other in spite of the relationship been a challenging one.

However, in Composite chiron in the 7th the wound revolves around not been able to be together with the reasons varying depending on the time; 1.others not wanting us to be together and making it challenging for the union to progress to its desired destination, 2. our own immaturity and stupidity, 3. geographical distance 4. one or the other or both being in a relationship. Or chiron in the 7th makes you feel the two of you fit and finally found the other half per say; it gives that feeling perhaps of finding your compliment and is why when outside circumstances or other factors get in the way of the union it hurts so much.

However if you are a therapist and partner up with another therapist and your composite chiron is in the 7th that could mean a different thing; a partnership that heals others they come in contact with.

With synastry I think that conjunction and soft aspects feel good but I feel squares are uncomfortable or painful.

Like my sister's Eros conjuncts my Chiron by about 2 orbs and My eros squares her chiron exact. There is this positive energy but the uncomfortable energy predominates perhaps bc my eros squares her chiron exact so the aspect is tighter. Its this weird mix, ultimately I feel we are too different; my eros in leo does not feel comfortable expressing itself and been truly me around her. Perhaps other factors can explain this in our synastry, IDK.

My boss Chiron conjuncts my Moon and my chiron conjuncts her sun. I think we like each other's energy. I dont like it when she goes on vacation; it feels like something important is missing and is not like we talk daily but I like having her around and occasionally interacting with her.

posted October 28, 2014 01:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have been having very exhausting 3 weeks. This swamp like feeling, and of course I was plagued by extreme dizziness, which fortunately seems to be away for now, though I ahve to watch my emotional balance.
(physical ailments like that are usually bringing me REALLY down onto my emotional knees and demanding a lot of selfhonesty. Not sure why this is so, but it feels like I can only move on and get better, when I have undergone the "emotional confession" phase)

I am going to a concert on saturday, which is bad timing, too, as from monday next week the supervision will come to our school and that puts us all under pressure, too.

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I feel you, Ceri. Entirely.

I've begun looking at my series in a new way; as a way I'm slowly, carefully, kinda floating the idea that ... maybe ... this is yet another eigenstate?