posted October 28, 2014 03:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
Aubyanne about 9 months apart.

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Yeah, NESSUS conjunct NESSUS is par for the course, when you're less than a few years apart. That's just keeping it within 0º-1º orb, too.

posted October 28, 2014 03:20 AM            

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Originally posted by 12th_House_Gal:
I have a close friend who has Nessus conjunct her MC exact. To the minute. I've seen this play outin two ways.

First is a very literal translation of this asteroid. She was raped by a young man in college. She woke up to him raping her. She took this experience & is now very focus on women's rights, rape culture, etc. she is currently wrapping up higher ed with a goal is to counsel women who have been raped or sexually abused.

However! She sees everything as abuse. Everything. It's as if she is obsessed with abuse, especially rape. I can't have a conversation with her at times, without her turning my words into some kind of weird abusive thing, where I'm having to stop and say "sweetie, no I was not a victim here, I'm not even talking about an abusive situation!"

When I first met her, she told me the whole story of her rape & how sexual abuse runs in her family. I thought this was strange to tell someone upon meeting them but I have that effect on people. A few months later I introduced her to a friend of mine, within 2 hours she was doing the same "abuse story" thing. Like this is something she does to gain a sense of notoriety. It's super weird.

I've sense distanced myself from her bc this aspect, in combination with her Scorpio Asc & my ascendant sitting smack dab in the middle of her Sun/Moon conjunctiom became just WAY too weird for me. I was raped & it was as if she unconsciously loved that I was.

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I think the MC/NESSUS is her 'high profile' connexion to abuse. As to the rape -- are you sure she doesn't have DEJANIRA (157) in close aspect to a personal point?

DEJA-BML (0º) for me is, I think, largely responsible for my developing a very Lilith personality in response to abuse -- especially a history involving sexual abuse as well.

As a quick edit: I just read that you were, too. I'm sorry to hear that. I wish it wasn't as prevalent as it is. And yet, the chances are high that just about every woman is likely to experience some form of sexual abuse by the age of 20. This shouldn't be the world in which we live.

posted October 28, 2014 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I think the MC/NESSUS is her 'high profile' connexion to abuse. As to the rape -- are you sure she doesn't have DEJANIRA (157) in close aspect to a personal point?

DEJA-BML (0º) for me is, I think, largely responsible for my developing a very Lilith personality in response to abuse -- especially a history involving sexual abuse as well.

As a quick edit: I just read that you were, too. I'm sorry to hear that. I wish it wasn't as prevalent as it is. And yet, the chances are high that just about every woman is likely to experience some form of sexual abuse by the age of 20. This shouldn't be the world in which we live.

Where is your DEJA?

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Actually I looked into that initially when I plugged in Nessus in her chart, surprisingly no! No contacts with planets or angles all (sits in her 11th house - she sees all her friends as victims and is definitely involved in victim charged social causes), it doesn't even form an aspect with another planet. The only connection it makes is a conjunction with DESTINN, which could speak to her drive to work with victims. However her problem is, everyone, EVERYONE is a victim. It's highly annoying after a while!

Her nessus also Conj Lust, also sitting at her MC. It's like she thrives off of abuse themes and feels a sense of wonderment out of it all.

My 3rd house Dejanera opposes my 9th House Kali/Circe/Kleopatra Moon (those three asteroids create 0 deg conjunctions and heavily influence my Moon). Deja Trines Venus, and Sextiles Jupiter. Her Nessus creates a WIDE conjunction with my Venus. So the energy of my venus/Deja aspect is definitely activated by her Nessus Lust MC placement, even though it is wide. Nessus in my chart sits in my 11th House and squares Saturn, but no other connections.

My rape experience was actually a very interesting one, it took me a long time to even use the word rape. It was suppressed and denied until I took initiative to discuss it in therapy.

I was staying with a family friend learning how to train horses (passion of mine). The family had two sons, an older son who was away at college and a young son who attended college in town. Both sons were the same height, weight and had the same "build". Both had nearly the same voice (they were about a year apart in age).

The entire week I was there, I had a very wonderful flirty fun sexually charged connection with the younger brother. We really liked each other. So the last night there, I was sound asleep (they gave me the older brother's room to stay in). I was woken up when "someone" climbed into bed with me.

The house sat out in the middle of the country, there were NO city lights and no outside lights. So when the lights were out LIGHTS WERE OUT. You couldn't even see your hand in front of you.

When this individual climbed in bed, I said "Brian? Is that you?" (the younger brother). He said "Yes it's me". We began kissing, one thing led to another, and we became intimate.

Halfway through the experience I got a really awful sinking feeling, so I asked him to stop and please turn on the light. He refused, and I said "Brian is this you?" (it is pitch black, I am going off of the fact that the only people in the house are the parents, and Brian). He said, "No this is his older brother". His older brother was driving in town, the family did not feel the need to notify him I was in his room. He knew I was staying in the house, but apparently saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of the situation and of me.

Once he turned on the light, I realized I had been tricked. I began screaming, and woke up the brother that I liked. No one came to my defense. No one stood up for me. They refused to wake up the parents, and out of fear I just stayed in my room. I came home and told my step-mother what happened, and she swore me to secrecy. It was extremely damaging, and it has taken me YEARS to work through it. YEARS.

posted October 28, 2014 12:02 PM            

Her 10th House ruler is Leo//Sun. As I mentioned, her 11th House Sun conj my Asc. My Asc sits in the middle of her Sun/Moon conjunction (you would think I enjoy that but I hate it - she's oober obsessed with me). So her MC ruler is right on my Ascendant.

The problem is, she REALLY REALLY REEEAAALLLYYYY likes me. She's actually used the words "I am like obsessed with you". I feel tremendous guilt not liking her, but sometimes I just really can't stand her at all. Like I always have this feeling in the back of my mind that she is not honest with me, or that she is up to no good. I feel a need to "protect myself" from her at times. She is an ordained high priestess, and there have legitimately been moments where I've thought "I hope the girl is not casting spells on me!" (deja oppose circe much?).

posted October 28, 2014 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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Thanks, Randall.

posted October 28, 2014 12:36 PM            

Wow! That's ... actually fascinating. 3H DEJA -- we'd think, it'd be communication. But opposite 9H? I can see how 'a sibling while away'. It just isn't YOUR sibling. Wow! That's oddly indicative.

I've never looked at my DEJA as a mean to pinpoint specific instances of victimisation.

posted October 28, 2014 12:45 PM            

Nessus conjunct Nyctimene, 1 deg orb.

"Nyctimene /nɪktɪmæni/ was, according to Roman mythology, the daughter of Epopeus, a king of Lesbos. Depending on which version of the story one reads she was either raped or seduced by her father. Out of shame or guilt she fled to the forest and refused to show her face in daylight. Taking pity on her Minerva transformed her into the nocturnal owl which, in time, became a widespread symbol of the goddess."

Astrology can blow your mind some times.

posted October 28, 2014 01:31 PM            

Interesting how natally, your Dad has Mars/Jupiter/NN/Nyctimene/Venus all in the same house, in a cluster. Pisces ruling this cluster house. Neptune being the ruler of the cluster house (or should I say cluster f*ck house - pardon my french), opposes your Dejan. Your Dejan then conjuncts Mercury. What's happening in your 3rd house? Well your Venus/Mars/Child/Nyctimene. Nearly the exact same planets that are involved in HIS 2nd house that Neptune rules.

I think the Child placement there, in your 3rd House, is very interesting too. Additionally, all that 2nd house Pisces is in an intercepted sign.... Hmm... And considering the ruler of that intercepted house contacts your Dejan?

Then his Nessus (which happens to be in Taurus - 2nd house connection again), is in your 3rd.... Wow that is a whole mix of round and round and round.

posted October 28, 2014 01:52 PM            

He never raped me though. Nyctimene - and his Nessus - are conjunct my POF. At least that. I was so fortunate.

I've kissed a guy for the first time at 19. I lost my virginity in my 20s and I had to try very hard because I had already developed vaginismus. Still can't orgasm with a man. I'm into S/M.

Yeah, he might as well had raped me. At least that I think I would have remembered and dealt with sooner.

posted October 28, 2014 02:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
12HG,

Wow! That's ... actually fascinating. 3H DEJA -- we'd think, it'd be communication. But opposite 9H? I can see how 'a sibling while away'. It just isn't YOUR sibling. Wow! That's oddly indicative.

I've never looked at my DEJA as a mean to pinpoint specific instances of victimisation.

Bizarrely, if I flip the meaning and look at it as DEJA describing ADONIS, which is 1º conjunct -- I can oddly see it. While I was definitely 'victim of Adonis types', I also have had many relationship with victimised men. It certainly helped me come to understand how best to help men who had also been raped, abused, and assaulted.

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Auby it gets even more literal than that!

I have Pallas conj MC - Pallas Athena rules horses in a way, or training, as she is credited with the invention of the bridle. I have always had a very deep healing connection with Horses. The father aspect (as you so eloquently connected me with in an older post of mine) is right up there too with Pallas Athena, my dad always encouraged me to ride, even leasing a horse for me. It was his family friend I stayed with for horse training, this is why my step-mom discouraged me from speaking up, she was more concerned about the friend than her daughter. She is a mega B.

Now it gets even more interesting. Pallas Athena also makes a conjunction to Chiron in my 9th House, all in Gemini. My 10th House is ruled by Gemini (9th by late Taurus), so hence Mercury is the ruler of this 9th House stuff. If you look at Mercury in my chart, being an extension of my Chiron wounding and this scenario, it just so happens to be at 29 degrees Leo in my 12th House, creating a t square with my Moon/Dejan opposition.