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frankie2912
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posted October 29, 2012 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is suggested by a man's Nessus square the woman's Venus, and the woman's Nessus square the man's Moon and Saturn, all at very close degrees?

in the natal, the man has his own Nessus closely conjunct his Venus.

in the composite chart, Nessus is exactly opposite Dejanira.


is this an abusive relationship??

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posted October 30, 2012 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think here there can be a tendency to get obsessed with each other.
As for the nessus dejanira opposition in the composite, well, I tend to see composite asteroid aspects as underlining a theme associated with this particular pairing. At best nessus - dejanira would imply great passion of the obsessive, compulsive kind.

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posted October 30, 2012 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by frankie2912:
What is suggested by a man's Nessus square the woman's Venus, and the woman's Nessus square the man's Moon and Saturn, all at very close degrees?

in the natal, the man has his own Nessus closely conjunct his Venus.

in the composite chart, Nessus is exactly opposite Dejanira.


is this an abusive relationship??



I will say "Yes" imho

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posted October 30, 2012 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can I ask another Nessus synastry question, while we're on the topic?

My daughter's Nessus is tightly conjunct my sun.

What's that mean?

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posted October 30, 2012 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, she will be abusive to you, Faith. I, always, call them as I see them. I could be wrong but I will never mince words or be politically correct. That is my commitment to everyone with whom I am in contact ---here or anywhere.

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posted October 30, 2012 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Can I ask another Nessus synastry question, while we're on the topic?

My daughter's Nessus is tightly conjunct my sun.

What's that mean?


She loves you and want protect you.

My sons Nessus conj my Sun conj AC. He is not an abusive person at all. He is the most kindly person I know. Ive never felt me like an abused mother. I more felt he want protect me from what ever happends in my life...

If you rised up your child with love and an good positive outlook about other people why should your daughter abuse you?

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posted October 30, 2012 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, she will be abusive to you, Faith. I, always, call them as I see them. I could be wrong but I will never mince words or be politically correct. That is my commitment to everyone with whom I am in contact ---here or anywhere.


Hmmm...I guess it takes two to tango, even with this.

She does overpower me sometimes (she has an 8H Scorpio sun.) I've said that since she was a baby- she is a force beyond my control.

But I love her and will just do my best for both our sakes.

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posted October 30, 2012 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Faith
Good and decent people can disagree, such as Popcorn( whom I adore) and myself.
I hear what Popcorn is saying, but I need to go from my own personal experience( and my chart experience) as I can only speak from my own belly button.

I stand by my POV on this. Of course, I could be wrong as I am just a flawed person

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posted October 30, 2012 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Curious Bull     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think someone with that potential can choose not to be abusive Ami Anne or is it a done deal?

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, she will be abusive to you, Faith. I, always, call them as I see them. I could be wrong but I will never mince words or be politically correct. That is my commitment to everyone with whom I am in contact ---here or anywhere.


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posted October 30, 2012 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't mean to be disagreeable about nessus and dejanira...but after looking at synastry with myself and 2 oldest children...who are fighting the same battles i did as a child...and now that ive broken free, im fighting to get them pulled away from the prison i grew up in! I'm their biggest supporter battling for them, giving them a place to feel free to be open and real...they tell me all the time that they only feel safe and loved by me....they are so respectful and kind and all i want is to see them happy and free to be whoever they chose to be in life....
So looking at this synastry it really makes me wonder...what are the other meanings and ways nessus plays in synastry?
Possibly an indicator of when you and someone else are fighting similar battles but fighting together, back to back possibly, as partners against a common enemy? Any thoughts?

my nessus cancer@2.24 in my 9th house
my dejanira virgo@14 in 12th house

my daughter-
mars libra@5.38 in her 11th house
dejanira scorpio@4.34 in her 12th house(conjunct my uranus 0 degree)
nessus saggy@14.11 in her 2nd house--(trine my jupiter 0 degree 7th house, square my dejanira 12th house- 0 degree)

my son's-
sun pisces@3.15
venus aries@0.35
jupiter aries@2.04 on his IC(conjunct my 6th house lilith 0 degree)
dejanira 3rd house pisces@1.09
nessus cap@0.05 in his 1st house(opposed my 9th house mars 0 degree and my nessus 2 degree)

Edit-my natal nessus forma a t-square with my libra karma@5 and aries lilith@3...nessus cancer@2.24 is just a few degrees from my MC...i think my karma( 2 degrees before AC) unconsciously always wanting to be seen as a peacemaker, but fighting my lilith energy(a few degrees before my DC) which saw i needed to fight to be loved, and had to battle my karma which only wanted peace...but my nessus was what made these two start working as a compliment, the abuse i went thru forced me to see sometimes you have to go into a battle and win in order to find the peace and love you need. my nessus falling just a few degrees before my MC...now that lesson is what im turning into a career to help others fight this battle and win, but inside themselves so it doesnt rip their lives up!

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posted October 30, 2012 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Hmmm...I guess it takes two to tango, even with this.

She does overpower me sometimes (she has an 8H Scorpio sun.) I've said that since she was a baby- she is a force beyond my control.

But I love her and will just do my best for both our sakes.


My daughter and i have negative synastry with Nessus and she has a scorpio dominance with her scorp AC...she was a handful as a child to!! I remember many nights crying, wondering what i was doing wrong! But now she tells me im her best friend. Even though there will always be ups and downs, eventually time and love will allow the obstacles to be overcome!

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posted October 31, 2012 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, Faith
Good and decent people can disagree, such as Popcorn( whom I adore) and myself.
I hear what Popcorn is saying, but I need to go from my own personal experience( and my chart experience) as I can only speak from my own belly button.

I stand by my POV on this. Of course, I could be wrong as I am just a flawed person



AMI. I also hear what you said but everything have more than one side. I not mean you have wrong but there is a good side of nessus also. The life is not just black and white... my experience are different. My sons childhoods friend, all of those boys also had their nessus in conj to my Sun conj AC. Those boys or his friends had been in my house so often and on many year...

One of my friends has an pitbull...That dog is so kindly and cute. I really love that dog. She will never do something bad to anyone. That dog has been rised up in a good family and are not sick either and the personality of this dog is amazing.

You could get this dog dangerous if you not handle right from start because the genetic.. Thats also exactly the same with astrology and people ...You got the code but its what you done, which are so important.

Why trigg out bad trait when everything have an positive side.


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posted October 31, 2012 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear you Popcorn! I am not disputing your experience. I am just saying my own

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posted October 31, 2012 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think i remember seeing a site discussing the positive side of Nessus....redemption of sorts, if is anyone is familiar with that site, would share the link, please?

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posted October 31, 2012 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thanks for your comments, people. I have always had a hard time thinking EVERYONE is programmed to abuse people because this asteroid exists.

It's the weirdest thing I know of, in astrology. Maybe we have excess emotion towards people whose planets touch our Nessus?

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posted October 31, 2012 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gabby:
I think i remember seeing a site discussing the positive side of Nessus....redemption of sorts, if is anyone is familiar with that site, would share the link, please?


We, all, have a Nessus. It is hard to touch that part of ourselves. We must when someone triggers it, in synastry.

Usually, there will be a passion like no other. This passion does not turn into soul mate, in my experience of doing the charts.

It is "too hot not to cool down" You are obsessed. You are delirious

You can come face to face with yourself, in a profound way. You can transform. So, Nessus can be like a laser beam on one's abuse.
Is this positive? YES imho

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posted February 09, 2013 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7thGuardian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami or iQ how would you interpret in terms of Synastry:

Nessus in ASC (Cancer) Squaring someone's Moon in House 9 (Scorpio)?

... or anyone that has some good knowledge about it. :3


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posted February 09, 2013 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And if someone knows anything about Nessus conjuncting partner's North Node....

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posted November 16, 2013 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for start6030     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm...our composite nessus is in house 7 in leo.....n our synastry has conjunction between our respective nessus...but then,we r born with just the difference of a year..... what could it be? karmic? abusive/compulsive? /or finally some union dat heals the two already abused people ? ...Thanks ! ....b/ w : hi Ami ...long time !!

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posted November 17, 2013 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuckyStar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Nessus conjuncts his Mars exact, this also opposes my venus.

His Nessus conjuncts my descendant exact.

Does anyone know how this would this manifest?

Is this just plain abuse?

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posted November 23, 2013 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Always helpful to see the whole chart. I know a very chivalrous boy with Sun conjunct Nessus exact. I know sharp investigative Minds with Nessus square Moon, and yet there are psychopaths with Nessus square Moon/Mars/Venus too.

Nessus square Venus is mostly obsessiveness.

Nessus square Dejanira, that is most likely to manifest as sexual abuse.

In Parent Child relationships, Nessus from the child will make the child more and more aware of how the parent was abused. This will lead to to two things:
1. If the child is good, like Popcorns's, more protectiveness.
2. If the child is wicked, there will be clever exploitation of the parent, with emotional abuse to get the job done.

Man's Nessus conjunct Lady's Descendant in Synastry is a little risky as the Man will have a tendency to develop a rape fantasy during sex. If the other aspects are positive, then this will not manifest physically, it will start and stop in his head. What a lady does not know inside a man's head will not hurt her. It is the actions that matter when it comes to Nessus.

Always look for retrograde planets in charts with Nessus Afflictions. The most dangerous is a combo of Mars and Saturn or Neptune Retrograde. These men are most likely to become abusive criminals or sociopathic Con Men. Afflicted Pisces Moon in men with Nessus afflictions can be very dangerous too, for the man as well as his partner.

Otherwise, just one bad Nessus aspect is not
a big deal.


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posted October 27, 2014 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone comment on Nessus conjunct Nessus in synastry? I'm talking to a woman online who is really into me. She's lovely. But then I saw this. She is not looking for a relationship......

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posted October 28, 2014 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leo-Dave:
Can anyone comment on Nessus conjunct Nessus in synastry? I'm talking to a woman online who is really into me. She's lovely. But then I saw this. She is not looking for a relationship......

Were you born within the same year? NESSUS is very slow-moving.

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posted October 28, 2014 12:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12th_House_Gal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a close friend who has Nessus conjunct her MC exact. To the minute. I've seen this play outin two ways.

First is a very literal translation of this asteroid. She was raped by a young man in college. She woke up to him raping her. She took this experience & is now very focus on women's rights, rape culture, etc. she is currently wrapping up higher ed with a goal is to counsel women who have been raped or sexually abused.

However! She sees everything as abuse. Everything. It's as if she is obsessed with abuse, especially rape. I can't have a conversation with her at times, without her turning my words into some kind of weird abusive thing, where I'm having to stop and say "sweetie, no I was not a victim here, I'm not even talking about an abusive situation!"

When I first met her, she told me the whole story of her rape & how sexual abuse runs in her family. I thought this was strange to tell someone upon meeting them but I have that effect on people. A few months later I introduced her to a friend of mine, within 2 hours she was doing the same "abuse story" thing. Like this is something she does to gain a sense of notoriety. It's super weird.

I've sense distanced myself from her bc this aspect, in combination with her Scorpio Asc & my ascendant sitting smack dab in the middle of her Sun/Moon conjunctiom became just WAY too weird for me. I was raped & it was as if she unconsciously loved that I was.

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posted October 28, 2014 01:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Dave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aubyanne about 9 months apart.

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