posted July 30, 2013 10:34 PM            

I wanted to know, if you have your North Node in the 12th House and through synastry, the ruler of that sign conjuncts that North Node, would that person help you integrate your North Node's mission?

Example: you have Libra on the 12th House cusp with your North Node in that 12th House of Libra and someone's Venus conjuncts that North Node exact.

posted August 02, 2013 10:10 AM            

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posted August 02, 2013 11:40 AM              

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
Okay I have a weird question but I don't think it warrants a new thread. I hope I'm not derailing or anything.

I wanted to know, if you have your North Node in the 12th House and through synastry, the ruler of that sign conjuncts that North Node, would that person help you integrate your North Node's mission?

Example: you have Libra on the 12th House cusp with your North Node in that 12th House of Libra and someone's Venus conjuncts that North Node exact.

Normally we would call this bad because the other person's Venus is falling into the 12th House but if your path forward (North Node) is ruled by Venus, isn't this a good thing?

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posted November 10, 2014 03:16 AM            

The thing is I can't seem to find myself connect to my guy on any level. I just go blame it on astrology, lol.

posted November 10, 2014 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
I don't know about synastry but in the composite 12th house sun is a secret relationship for sure.

I don't think you would want any 12th house synastry connections - it is the house of all things hidden and in a love relationship you need the love to be open between you, you have to share it freely with your parent, it prevents and blocks feelings from being shared openly, sure it may be deep, but it would be a mess.

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posted November 10, 2014 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
Wow, I've never heard of this before today, but I have a composite 12th house moon in Leo and a Davison 12th house Sun and Moon in Leo with a guy I'm talking to, and right now, it's incredibly secret.

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posted November 10, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Yeah, my relationship with my partner has a lot of 12H connexions. Naturally, we keep it on the down-low. His VENUS falls in both mine and my husband's 12H, actually.

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posted November 11, 2014 07:30 AM            

Our relationship isn't secretive. It's official but private (for example: we know each other's secrets, show our love behind the closed doors, like to savour our moments in our own world..etc...). The other day he said that one day he'd like to go to a quiet, secluded place with me and be separated from the rest of the world.

posted November 11, 2014 09:36 PM            

Natally, I have a 12th house stellium, housing my Aries Mercury, Venus, Ceres and my Taurus sun.

Because I'm so used to the energy, I absolutely need it in close relationships. My best friend's Sun and Venus fall in my 12th house, my first love's Sun fell in my 12th house, my ex's Venus fell in my 12th house, many of my flings or people I've had feelings for had personal planets falling in my 12th house, the list goes on.

When someone's sun falls in my 12th house, I tend to understand them innately. I finish their sentences, understand where they're coming from, and easily pick up their train of thought.

When someone's moon falls in my 12th, I can read their moods like a book. I sense how they feel (I'm normally very intuitive but this is enhanced here) and feel whatever emotions they feel. They also understand my emotions very well, can predict them, and read me like a book.

When someone's mercury falls in my 12th, we'll talk about everything that intellectually stimulates me - all the tabooed things out there. We'll talk for hours upon hours. We'll also have similar mindsets.

When someone's venus falls in my 12th, we're going to have a hidden relationship or keep our relationship very private. I'm naturally like this on my own, but when someone's venus falls in my 12th, I'm even more secretive. I could count on one hand how many people knew I was dating my ex whose venus fell in my 12th. There are people in my life who still don't know we dated.. I don't think it's anybody's business.

When someone's mars falls in my 12th, I find them to be the perfect level of aggressive. I'll be attracted at how you assert yourself and you'll find it very easy to assert yourself towards me. I've found that they do pry into my personal life a little bit, and tend to get almost offended when I politely decline discussing it, but we still get on fine together. They can be a little feisty but I never take it personally.

posted November 11, 2014 09:45 PM            

I am a Pisces DC. So that makes my 12th like a second DC. When planets hit my 12th, and my 12H Sun/Mars/Mercury, I love these people. I too require this in close relationships.

Also, another aspect that needs to be looked at is the ruler of the 7H. This would be Neptune for me. Now a lot of people say that in synastry Neptune can lead to secrecy or illusions. Well yeah sure, but I LOVE when Neptune makes contacts with people. It's my 4H ruler, so when it aspects another person's planets I like this.

Subsequently, I tend to have very dreamy connections with people that I am close with.

posted November 11, 2014 11:26 PM            

But it's not playtime. Most of the time, you'll feel like you can't catch a bloody break. You become a crisis collector; yours, theirs, and many others who see you've unintentionally placed a shingle outside your door. You'll be sought for healing, because you've shown that you're seeking to do that for yourself and your partner (or partners).

The emotional maturity comes into play as a matter of merely being able to see the long-term gains on a plan which forfeits a level of personal happiness or security for the benefit of eventual healing.

Wisened are those who achieve THAT level of mastery. There are deep battle scars: emotional, mental, sometimes physical. But these types of synastries don't come to the faint of heart or those who aren't capable of the work. Periodically, they'll appear throughout one's life, usually in lighter doses: one planet in our 12H; maybe we'll throw one over into theirs to explore balance. If one or both of us bolt -- we're not ready. Not yet.

When we start getting into stellia territory -- especially when we find a composite dominated by 12H placement -- we have the opportunity for some major karmic clearing. It's akin to being an athlete that's trained to be an Olympian for a decade or more. We've been unconsciously preparing for this for a very, very long time. Various chances presented themselves over time, but THIS is the time. NOW is the culmination of ALL that preparatory work and dedication; of the self-learning and introspection and both personal and interpersonal growth.

I try to encourage clients to be neither daunted nor careless with a heavy 12H synastry. Especially when there are 8H overlays as well. You're going to war with your demons, and the universe is signalling that you're ready now. All you have to do is show up. And keep showing up. Every. Single. Day.

This is why conventional wisdom advises against 12H marriages. Few people want so TRULY an intimate, trusting, transformative relationship. Many say they do, but when they get it -- they bolt. The truth is that they envision a particular type of fantasy (after all, the 12H can cast many illusions) which is a far cry from the reality.

I'm in a 12H marriage myself as well as a 12H/8H relationship. I can tell you, from personal experience, we all succeed just by continuing to show up. Every. Single. Day.

It's easy to want a break, but that's not what this is for.

This is for healing: karma, past abuses, deep damage to our psyches and souls.

So it's neither good nor bad. It's both. It's ecstatic bliss and tragic misery. It's mass confusion and paralysing fear and confronting deceptions and illusions. Many of which have been compensatory measures our whole lives. It's unvarnished truth and kicking crutches. It's exposing our deepest vulnerabilities so that they can become fortified with trust and unconditional love, transforming into our greatest strengths.

It's to both be handled with extreme care and praised for being the most genuine, powerful relationship you've ever experienced in your life.

Period.

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posted November 11, 2014 11:30 PM            

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Originally posted by ReeseC:
Can it ever work if the relationship becomes public, or is it destined to be private forever?

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It can certainly work; it just depends upon what everyone wants. In our case, we're very selective regarding who knows and doesn't. My husband is less concerned about the privacy (except when it comes to his family of origin) so it's mostly my partner's paranoia about reputation. My parents know, too, as well as several of my very close, lifelong friends.

posted November 12, 2014 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by poochycat:
My fiancé and I have many planets in our 12th house composite. Yes, our relationship has been a private one. Our co-workers were not even aware that we were involved. We have had many issues over the past six years but nothing so serious we couldn't solve together.

I have a question: Since we became engaged November 1st, I have noticed that in our composite all the planets that were in our 12th progressed to our 11th. I have also noticed that it progressed to the 11th quite awhile ago. So...does that mean I no longer have to worry about the 12th house demon? I'm still learning so any clarification would be very much appreciated Poochy

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If they're there in composite, they're there for the long-haul. You may notice periods of respite, but despite the planets progressing to another house, that doesn't negate the 12H effects, no.

Also, poochy, I know that this isn't your first rodeo, and you're likely to have less of a problem than the younger set. But I should stress that getting married before those issues REALLY can be an unwise move. Consider going into therapy together. These days, it's a rather standard practise to prepare a couple for marriage.

posted November 12, 2014 10:49 PM            

Yes we are quite aware of the challenges and because we are both Catholic it is standard practice before a marriage to go for counseling which we are doing now. We love each other and will face the challenges.
No we are not young, I am in my sixties and MK is in his late fifties. It is a second marriage for both of us as I lost my husband in my twenties and he is divorced. We have time on our side as we have known each other for six years. I will keep you posted if anything major happens.

posted November 12, 2014 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by poochycat:
Dear Auby,

Yes we are quite aware of the challenges and because we are both Catholic it is standard practice before a marriage to go for counseling which we are doing now. We love each other and will face the challenges.
No we are not young, I am in my sixties and MK is in his late fifties. It is a second marriage for both of us as I lost my husband in my twenties and he is divorced. We have time on our side as we have known each other for six years. I will keep you posted if anything major happens.

I have nothing but congratulations on LL.

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posted November 13, 2014 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by IV XXIV:
I think it's really subjective.

Natally, I have a 12th house stellium, housing my Aries Mercury, Venus, Ceres and my Taurus sun.

Because I'm so used to the energy, I absolutely need it in close relationships. My best friend's Sun and Venus fall in my 12th house, my first love's Sun fell in my 12th house, my ex's Venus fell in my 12th house, many of my flings or people I've had feelings for had personal planets falling in my 12th house, the list goes on.

When someone's sun falls in my 12th house, I tend to understand them innately. I finish their sentences, understand where they're coming from, and easily pick up their train of thought.

When someone's moon falls in my 12th, I can read their moods like a book. I sense how they feel (I'm normally very intuitive but this is enhanced here) and feel whatever emotions they feel. They also understand my emotions very well, can predict them, and read me like a book.

When someone's mercury falls in my 12th, we'll talk about everything that intellectually stimulates me - all the tabooed things out there. We'll talk for hours upon hours. We'll also have similar mindsets.

When someone's venus falls in my 12th, we're going to have a hidden relationship or keep our relationship very private. I'm naturally like this on my own, but when someone's venus falls in my 12th, I'm even more secretive. I could count on one hand how many people knew I was dating my ex whose venus fell in my 12th. There are people in my life who still don't know we dated.. I don't think it's anybody's business.

When someone's mars falls in my 12th, I find them to be the perfect level of aggressive. I'll be attracted at how you assert yourself and you'll find it very easy to assert yourself towards me. I've found that they do pry into my personal life a little bit, and tend to get almost offended when I politely decline discussing it, but we still get on fine together. They can be a little feisty but I never take it personally.

Overall, the more planets you're putting into my 12th house, the more fond of you I'm going to be. But I know some people are the absolute opposite.

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I like these interpretations. Everything else I've read so points to intense struggle, or lack of understanding but it's nice to see that 12th house planets might be closeness on another level vs secrecy.

posted November 13, 2014 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have my partner's Pluto and Dsc in my 12H (on my Asc) and what Aubyanne said about depletion and transformation is really true! It's self discovery everyday and it's hard work. Very hard. It doesn't help that his Sun and Mercury are in my 8H either..I want to bolt so badly, but won't. I think.

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