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manderin
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posted November 21, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So... I've been reading up some posts on NN + Venus in Synastry and some say that it's the NN who is more in love, others say it's Venus who is more in love, others say the NN ends up hating Venus.... Will this be the thread to settle it once and for all?

Looking up cookbook definitions on this synastry aspect talks too much about next life stuff. Who cares about the next life! Who's into who in this one?

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posted November 21, 2014 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the node person is always more affected its because the nodes are turning points in our destiny and if a persons planets touch them we see them as turning points in our evolution. the planet person is not so much seeing it that way unless their nodes are affected as well.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a North Node square Venus with a friend of mine.

Instant attraction but we'll never settle down into a normal relationship. As far as I can tell our lives take us in very different directions all the time BUT she's one of the few (actually, only) person I'll have 1-4 hour long conversations over the phone with. That's rare for me because once someones out of my physical range I don't keep in touch too well and she's even worse with that (Mostly air, aquarius moon)

I also need to say we have strong Mars-Venus contacts, Venus-Venus contacts, and all sorts of things at play that create the attraction so I'm not too sure what the NN sq Venus provides. It probably helps make it a life long contact rather than a one night stand with a coworker.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Often when node is involved in synastry with your personal planet there is a Karmic debt you need to pay off to the planet person. Whether or not the relation can be carried forward depends on other aspects. With South node conjunction you'll always find, that the planet person drifts away when the debt is paid off.
Hope this helps

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posted November 21, 2014 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nodes are points, not planets. They receive energy but don't emit one. They absorb the planet's energy that touches them but don't return it back.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love VENUS-NNODE. It's one of the best and most consistent aspects I've had throughout my relationships. It's never seemed negative to me. I also don't buy into the 'who feels it more' black-and-white delineations. It's just never that cut and dried. All factors should be taken into account.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, this is a good thread.

Could an Astro 2 Mod kindly kick it over into Interpersonal Astrology, where it'll likely get more focussed discussion?

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posted November 21, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I love VENUS-NNODE. It's one of the best and most consistent aspects I've had throughout my relationships. It's never seemed negative to me. I also don't buy into the 'who feels it more' black-and-white delineations. It's just never that cut and dried. All factors should be taken into account.

Nobody is saying its negative.

She asked who is affected more and its always the Node person.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Orange:
Nodes are points, not planets. They receive energy but don't emit one. They absorb the planet's energy that touches them but don't return it back.

I agree. South node is the sucker, e.g. with Sun it sucks your ego, with moon your emotions (obviously the sign and house matter as well). But when it comes to north node, it over expands the quality and in a relationship it can make things pretty unstable, because the desire is never quenched. Especially when Venus is involved it spells cheating unless there are other stabilising elements in chart.

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posted November 21, 2014 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had my NN conjunct a guy's Venus

I ended up losing interest and dumping him quite quickly and suddenly (we had a lot of URanus in our synastry/composite). It has been 4 years and he is still sore about it.

I was really into him at the time, though.

My last relationship had my Moon on his NN. He could not handle the relationship and even though I dumped him, I felt that he was pushing me away anyway.

so, in the case of the NN, I think the planet person is more in love and the NN person is the one who dumps them. The NN represents unchartered territory, so the NN person is said to feel uncomfortable.

I've had 2 significant South Node relationships. I was the SN person in one of them, and the planet person in another. In both cases, I dumped the person.

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posted November 21, 2014 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This aspect has nothing to do with hate or who loves who more.
It's not about karmic debts either. That's an SN thing.

When a planet touches your NN you have things to learn from them. When that planet is Venus - they can teach you "how to make a relationship work" and many other Venus-related things. If you're not ready for the lessons... it makes you uncomfortable and it makes the other person feel like you're not meeting their expectations.
So things fizzle out if the NN is not ready to embrace that side of themselves.

It reminds me of this saying... lol

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posted November 21, 2014 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ariestaurus - Have you ever been dumped? If you're always the one doing the dumping in all your relationships - maybe that's a natal thing ... not a Node/Venus thing.

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posted November 21, 2014 05:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odette

Yesssss..
Exactly.
I'm nn and oh yes, I feel it. It being learning but I'm up for it.

I do NOT feel it as others have been describing here.

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posted November 21, 2014 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes ^ Some people really like it. It depends on the person and also the aspects they have to their Nodal axis

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posted November 21, 2014 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could see it frustrating Venus if the effort is not there but yeah, it depends on a lot of things.

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posted November 21, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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posted November 21, 2014 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DF is like:

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posted November 21, 2014 05:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Odette:
DF is like:


Ryan Gosling

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posted November 21, 2014 05:47 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That's hilarious

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posted November 21, 2014 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YellowGerbera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm.. My man's venus quincunx my NN exactly. What would this indicate?

It is true that he has shown me what a 'real love' is and what it is like to BE loved. I was thinking I feel extremely like this because of my big failure relationship with my ex but I guess this aspect enhanced this feeling more...

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posted November 21, 2014 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew a girl who's stellium of 4 planets sun venus mercury and mars were right on my NN... also my 4 planets of Sun, Merc, Venus and Jupiter were right on her NN. She HATED me for no reason. (Although she was a negative person in general) I was completely indifferent towards her. Perhaps I was ready for her lessons, but she wasn't ready for mine.

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I've had this one a few times, being both Venus and NN. I kinda agree that the NN person is more affected, the lesson of the connection is to them, about them. The Venus person might deliver the lesson through their mere presence in the NN person's life, this doesn't mean a happy ever after, though some astrologers hint that there is a possibility for that in the next life..

I found the opposite is true for Venus-SN. Currently trying to understand composite Venus-NN, where both people should feel it and be interested into bringing it forward.. yet it doesn't seem to happen too often and I wonder why..

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There is another possible interpretation of this aspect, IMO. The Venus person loves the NN's lifestyle and life direction, the way they live, admires them, and would like to live like that or be like that.


This aspect is sometimes found in unrequited scenarios, when there isn't much besides it. In this case, I suppose the Venus person simply wants to be part of the other's NN (life path), but because of the rest of the synastry, the story is unrequited. It can be the other way around as well, with the Venus person being a lesson of (unrequited) love for the NN person.

The rest of the synastry tells you how this aspect plays out.

Generally, planets to nodes show what those people share on their common life path, no matter how brief. If it's brief, but still connected to the nodes, it's probably an important lesson for one or both.
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posted November 22, 2014 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
So... I've been reading up some posts on NN + Venus in Synastry and some say that it's the NN who is more in love, others say it's Venus who is more in love, others say the NN ends up hating Venus.... Will this be the thread to settle it once and for all?

Looking up cookbook definitions on this synastry aspect talks too much about next life stuff. Who cares about the next life! Who's into who in this one?


For me, this is a tricky question.

1. The Nodes, imo, behave in a similar manner to the waxing and waning of the Moon. In the empty darkness of the New Moon the Sun's light is absorbed and replenishes Luna. Full, the Moon then reflects this image back to the Sun, which he loves, then releases that energy into the dark expanses of the night. The Sun, from our experience on earth, behaves in a similar way. At dawn he rises, radiates warmth and light upon the planet. At dusk he sets, rests to replenish his depleted stocks.

2. All of the planets, according to Martin Shulman in his Karmic Astrology series, radiate and absorb energy interchangeably.

3. Unlike the planets, the Nodes are more limited in scope. At each point (NN or SN) they do one or the other, but never both. So the NN is where you take in, and the SN is where you release.

It can be extrapolated that a NN + Venus contact, minus SN interactions elsewhere, can become tricky. At those times when Venus is radiating energy all is good; Venus finds a receptive consumer for her energy, and the NN have a provider. Drama arises when Venus is tapped out and switch to absorption mode; NN may view Venus as "unproductive" & Venus may view NN as draining.

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posted November 22, 2014 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There is another possible interpretation of this aspect, IMO. The Venus person loves the NN's lifestyle and life direction, the way they live, admires them, and would like to live like that or be like that.


This aspect is sometimes found in unrequited scenarios, when there isn't much besides it. In this case, I suppose the Venus person simply wants to be part of the other's NN (life path), but because of the rest of the synastry, the story is unrequited. It can be the other way around as well, with the Venus person being a lesson of (unrequited) love for the NN person.

The rest of the synastry tells you how this aspect plays out.

Generally, planets to nodes show what those people share on their common life path, no matter how brief. If it's brief, but still connected to the nodes, it's probably an important lesson for one or both.


I don't associate it with unrequited love.
But my closest natal aspect is Venus conjunct NN.. so everyone I had this with had the same Nodal axis I have.
I don't feel like I taught them lessons in -unrequited love-... nor did they.
The biggest trend I noticed is that the NN person seems a lot less self-loving than I am. They are self-critical and bitter when I meet them. Through their interaction with me they see the importance in valuing themselves (Our NNs are in Taurus). I guess I help them see their self-worth.

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