posted February 18, 2015 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
He would just talk about her as she's his one and only true love he never called it twin anything I have her chart as well her planets Pluto square all his personal planets making him obsesses with her

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posted February 18, 2015 03:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That's Perfect!

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posted February 18, 2015 03:35 AM            

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If either one of you was his TF, his head would be spinning so hard he would not have the mental capability to play mind games.
The TF energy shuts the mind out because your heart takes over...it's a relationship that forces open the heart chakra with such force your head can't comprehend what's happening, it goes on auto pilot to your heart and your heart doesn't play mind games.

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This, too. I think we demand someone be a Twin Flame because it's synonymous with opening the heart chakra. The truth is it does NOT have to be. It just, as Gabby's said, has to be a REAL heart connexion.

posted February 18, 2015 03:36 AM            

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I have felt his heart open before but iits mostly close shut. ��what hurts the most is that he says his heart is very opened with her and then I think what is wrong with me? Its sooooooo hurtful

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posted February 18, 2015 03:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's cruel. Why is he leveraging the two of you against each other? Ego, ego, ego. He sounds so insecure.

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posted February 18, 2015 03:41 AM            

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This, too. I think we demand someone be a Twin Flame because it's synonymous with opening the heart chakra. The truth is it does NOT have to be. It just, as Gabby's said, has to be a REAL heart connexion.

My Guardian's never played games. Ever. Before him, I honestly thought that everybody did! But, really, my husband doesn't, either. Not usually. He'll still revert at times, but it's uncommon. I think that everything has really helped him grow past the need to do so. I'm so proud of him.

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posted February 18, 2015 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
From Facebook posts it looks like they are over but I don't want any comparisons to me her birthdate Jan 17 1986 2:24pm walnut creek ca

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We've shown you it's highly unlikely this is a TF, Aubyanne has shown you the chart aspects that give an idea of what this relationship truly is about.
Your own guides have shown a very different relationship than the one your seeing.
The only thing that's left is for you to accept the answers being given. Then decide if you want to carry on trying to make this relationship something it isn't. You might possibly be so preoccupied with this relationship your genuine TF might pass by, see your unavailable and move on. Or you can accept this relationships intensity is most likely based on Nessus's raw emotions and karma not love.

posted February 18, 2015 03:55 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
Is it possible too he isn't playing games but is in denial??

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posted February 18, 2015 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
If I can wake up and have no more feelings that will be nice I have suffered soooo badly the last two months I have some relief talking here though thanx u

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posted February 18, 2015 10:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Everything but the very last paragraph is what I feel with my Guardian. The last one is what I felt like after disconnecting from my Twin. Though, man, I'll never try and actually 'cut the cord' again. That was ... horrible. Instead, I just learn to live with it, be the best Twin Flame that I can be, and let him do whatever he's going to do. Live poorly, live well, something inbetween, etc.

I tried SO hard not to see him this past January. Damn Phoenix traffic. That city would NOT let me go until I saw him. Oh, well. Some things are just what they are.

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I've tried to cut the cord before also, you can't actually stop feeling them so it's impossible to genuinely cut the cord.
When I tried the connection felt like it got stronger. It felt like we were the only 2 ppl in the face of the earth, I could hear him and feel more intensely than ever.

I ended trying to force no contact when one day I was sitting in my room and heard him calling my name.
Now I've moved since we were in each other's everyday life, we live 1000+ miles apart and he's out of the country very often...he does not have my new address. No need for him to have it. But the voice calling my name was so real and loud I forgot all that and ran downstairs totally excited thinking he was in my home. But nobody was here....I was genuinely surprised and very confused.

I figured it was a sign trying to cut contact completely was not the way to go.

posted February 18, 2015 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
I don't understand his motives of playing games? I just saw this as his fears of vulnerability

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posted February 18, 2015 04:34 PM            

VERTEX conjunct SNODE (2º)
NODES square MOON (2º)
MOON conjunct AMOR (2º)
PSYCHE parallel PSYCHE (+ same sign)
NODES conjunct ASC/DSC (5º)

There's a very strong soul connexion between the two of them. I'm thinking SHE's the one who's further evolved than he is, though I honestly couldn't say -- this is purely from the astrological perspective. I think it's funny that you said 'don't compare her to me', because I think THAT is specifically the problem.

Respecting your wishes, I won't, but the truth is that there's unresolved karma between ALL of you. And, surprise, surprise, who but NESSUS appears front-and-centre.

The key you were missing was LILITH (1181). She's where we find rejection, love triangles, betrayal, and feelings of being 'compared'.

LILITH conjunct DESTINN (3º) (Him)
LILITH conjunct DESTINN (0º) (Her)
LILITH parallel SUN/MOON, conjunct VERTEX (3º)

The keyword is 'love triangle'. The three of you are Soulmates with a long, complicated, ugly history. It's undeniable you're all evolving, so it's time to face some of the music you've been making for many lifetimes. Some of it beautiful, some of it off-key, but all of it plentiful.

It's no time for blame games. You and he both have NESSUS/SUN in your synastry -- yours is particularly strong -- and he's got NESSUS synastry with BOTH of you.

Why he's working through issues with her now is clear. They're integral to each other's life paths, and have to repay these debts / clear this karma.

No wonder the man's acting like a numbskull. He's in the middle of two intense Soulmate relationships!

He's likely to be favouring her most right now because of a solar complementary resonance that's being highlighted under the VENUS/MARS conjunction. She's a VENUS-SUN, and he's a MARS-SUN.

Also, a lot of their LEO / CAP placements are quindecile. More obsessive energy.

Looking at the progressions, you've got pMOON conjunct pPLUTO right now, so your emotions are much more intense than usual. Even faux-Scorpio-esque. You're going to be presenting yourself much less Leonine, and far more Plutonian for the rest of the year. It's creeping up on pSATURN, though, so expect things to start down-shifting in the next six months. Kinda. It'll still be in orb of pPLUTO and in SCORPIO, so you'll be feeling very 'Plutonian' until 2017.

As to why you immediately thought he was your Twin?

Your pMARS-KARMA has been in Leo for quite some time now, and is 2º separating from your nSUN. While your Soulmate's SUN doesn't fall within orb of this, you've been in this headspace for the past 2-3 years.

In about 4 years, your pVALENTINE will conjoin your nSUN in your p7H. This is a great time for a relationship, and often brings true love to the individual. Which, again, is why I stress patience.

Meanwhile, your pVENUS is 2º conjunct pLILITH, meaning that it's time to clear the LILITH karma from your soul-card, so to speak.

Your pMARS is also 1º conjunct your nSUN right now, giving you an ARIES vibe, too. Another reason to feel twinnish with a man who's natally got SUN-MARS -- in Leo. But Twins don't mirror like they complement; this explains why he's currently drawn to the Soulmate with a 0º SUN-VENUS conjunction.

Meanwhile, he's at a powerful crossroads. The progressed Full Moon, 0º, hugging his pMC and pIC: torn between career/work and family/love. His solar energy is going into his public life, but his lunar energy is in his private realm, and the two are odds.

He's in at the apex of a powerful karmic-clearing phase, especially regarding relationships, with pCHIRON-PSYCHE there in his p7H.

But he's broadcasting that he's on the hunt for his true love, and I DO think he is -- which might be why you're freaking out. He's putting himself on the clock, with his pASC conjunct pVALENTINE (0º) and his pMARS conjunct pEROS (1º) in p10H.

And, naturally, he brings his two timeless rivals back into the ring.

Honestly, I say don't play. This is an ego game. Be the bigger and the stronger. Quash the game. Tell him you love him, and, should he decide to explore a relationship with you, you'll be ready.

And then go. Leave the ball in his court.

All of these are temporary influences, for the most part, and he does NOT need to be playing 'let the best Soulmate win'. Refuse to play ball.

It's also of note that you had a progressed New Moon in 14º VIRGO in 2012, when your pMARS-KARMA was conjunct your nSUN 0º. It very well may be that you are a Twin Flame, and will find yours in this lifetime. However, nothing tells me that this man is it. Might be a precursor, though. That happens quite frequently, actually.

Ask me how many times I mistook my Twin. And that's WAY before I even believed it was possible -- let alone likely.

posted February 18, 2015 04:37 PM            

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I've tried to cut the cord before also, you can't actually stop feeling them so it's impossible to genuinely cut the cord.
When I tried the connection felt like it got stronger. It felt like we were the only 2 ppl in the face of the earth, I could hear him and feel more intensely than ever.

I ended trying to force no contact when one day I was sitting in my room and heard him calling my name.
Now I've moved since we were in each other's everyday life, we live 1000+ miles apart and he's out of the country very often...he does not have my new address. No need for him to have it. But the voice calling my name was so real and loud I forgot all that and ran downstairs totally excited thinking he was in my home. But nobody was here....I was genuinely surprised and very confused.

I figured it was a sign trying to cut contact completely was not the way to go.

If I don't try to force no contact it doesn't get intense, overwhelming and all consuming like I'm ripping my own heart out.

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Perfect description. Yeah, when they call you, it REALLY feels as if you've lost your mind. I think I've just come to accept that, it happens. It's happened all of my life in my family; why on earth would I think it couldn't happen outside of it?

For me, I became so, so ill -- but more like the life was drained from me. Like a psychic attack. Just as you'd said -- it was obvious the message was, THAT wasn't the way to go.

posted February 18, 2015 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by awakemer:
so i looked at my dad's mom's chart (synastry) my mom's nessus conjuncts my dad's moon.. i'd say my dad was violet w/ her and not the other way around.. i thought the nessus person is the abusive one?? It seems like in thi case too with this man he is acting out the nessus more in a negative way, in me i'm just obsessed. either way i know this cannot be true love.

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NESSUS can actually operate in a dual-capacity; it depends upon how it's placed. NESSUS-MOON is a very complicated one, as the MOON tends to reflect whatever it touches. Sometimes it even amplifies it.

I'm going to bet that your grandfather felt as if your mother was constantly egging him on, frustrating him, being selfish and ruthless in her wants and needs, leaving no room for his own?

posted February 18, 2015 04:54 PM            

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Here's a bit on AMOR:
http://juliedemboski.com/category/amor/

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posted February 18, 2015 04:55 PM            

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so i looked at my dad's mom's chart (synastry) my mom's nessus conjuncts my dad's moon.. i'd say my dad was violet w/ her and not the other way around.. i thought the nessus person is the abusive one?? It seems like in thi case too with this man he is acting out the nessus more in a negative way, in me i'm just obsessed. either way i know this cannot be true love.

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posted February 18, 2015 05:12 PM            

Most it can do is hook on you his nMERC. Which is probably why it's been expressed as a lot of mental pursuits, communicating, and conversing.

Instead, he's identifying with his pMOON (in Pisces) and latching onto all of her progressed points in Pisces: pVENUS among them.

That's just lame. I'm sorry that happened.

Well, the good news is that the aspect is still applying; it won't be exact for awhile. Mid-late November. It'll be exact for a couple of weeks, and it'll stay in orb (0º) until around January 2016.

This isn't a typical pVENUS conjunct pMARS, bear in mind, though. This is a 'replay' or, in many ways, a 'redo'. Your pVENUS is in retrograde motion, so it'll do what we call a 'kiss' before continuing on. That's why, by January 2016, the aspect is essentially separating and moving out of 0º orb. Doesn't mean it won't still be active. But they aren't moving together -- they're passing each other.

So by this time next year, your pVENUS will be heading into 22º LEO, while his MARS is in 24º LEO. Already, you're seeing a quick break. Then, in February 2018, when your pVALENTINE goes onto your nSUN, the aspect is 2º separating. But, interestingly enough, his pSUN will be conjunct your nVENUS in the next 1-2 years.

It's easy to see how you'll be 'buzzing around each other' as we like to say, for awhile.

Were this a Reunion, however, we'd see different natal synastry, and the pVENUS conjunct pMARS would be direct, and carrying forward together, creating a synergy for many years.