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I'm so cappy
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posted February 22, 2015 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find this exact Mars-Chiron conjunction shady.

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posted February 22, 2015 03:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I too think this deal is worse than one night stands. A mess waiting to happen.


Even if they decide not to let their hearts get involved?

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posted February 22, 2015 03:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Decide?

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I'm so cappy
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posted February 22, 2015 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just because they decided so it doesn't mean it won't happen. It wouldn't be a tragedy if it happened to both of them, the real problem begins when it's one sided. Go google "I fell in love with my fwb" and other similar phrases.

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posted February 22, 2015 04:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by page one:
Decide?

I know what are you going to tell me

If a man decides to have an affair only, if he decides that that woman is not ever going to be relationship candidate, he would never let allow himself to feel anything but sexual attraction
Women are different, women can easily fall in love with their affairs

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posted February 22, 2015 04:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Go google "I fell in love with my fwb" and other similar phrases.


yeah, and it's always the woman that writes that. Never the male part

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I'm so cappy
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posted February 22, 2015 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got your answer.

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posted February 22, 2015 04:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and now she is warned

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posted February 22, 2015 04:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I find this exact Mars-Chiron conjunction shady.



btw some say it is a marriage indicator (but I have found out this is not to be true )

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posted February 22, 2015 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FWB sounds SO good in theory, but ultimately one person (usually the female) ends up developing feelings and gets hurt when she realises the guy doesn't want anything more

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posted February 22, 2015 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This will never turn into a relationship. The girls venus is unaspected, she has uranus in 5th house natally and gemini mars in 11th. She's just in it for the fun, she finds the guy interesting and sexy.

The guy doesn't want a relationship either, he has moon in 5th house and moon opposite her saturn. Too heavy for him, and she doesn't wan't him like that either.
Actually I don't see much sexual stuff in this synastry, and especially for the guy... what is it he sees in her? My best guess that he actually sees friendship between them.

I do believe they can manage this FWB for a limited period, then they probably go find someone else or stay friends I hope they quit this FWB idea and just become great friends instead

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posted February 22, 2015 05:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
[b]I find this exact Mars-Chiron conjunction shady.



btw some say it is a marriage indicator (but I have found out this is not to be true )[/B][/QUOTE]

What have you found? Is it fling material?

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posted February 22, 2015 05:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
This will never turn into a relationship. The girls venus is unaspected, she has uranus in 5th house natally and gemini mars in 11th. She's just in it for the fun, she finds the guy interesting and sexy.

The guy doesn't want a relationship either, he has moon in 5th house and moon opposite her saturn. Too heavy for him, and she doesn't wan't him like that either.
Actually I don't see much sexual stuff in this synastry, and especially for the guy... what is it he sees in her? My best guess that he actually sees friendship between them.

I do believe they can manage this FWB for a limited period, then they probably go find someone else or stay friends I hope they quit this FWB idea and just become great friends instead


the girl's venus is not that unaspected:
Venus is sextile sun & lilith, is trine Vesta, widely trine moon, and closely conjunct his midheaven
His midheaven on her venus could lead him to idealize/admire her; apart from the that her chart ruler moon falls in his 7th house, is opposite pluto, trine neptune (his 5h ruler), square venus (his 8th house ruler), is widely trine mars (his 7th house ruler).
For sexual attraction they have pluto conj asc, moon trine mars, venus semi-square mars, venus quintile pluto, mars semi-sextile sun/asc, mars opposite uranus, juno trine mars and conj. pluto, mars trine neptune, juno opposite sun/mood mdp, and in their composite there is a venus/mars conj and that is square pluto,

But that's not a lot I must admit

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posted February 22, 2015 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by page one:
What have you found? Is it fling material?


no, but there's not much fun at all- not even for a close relationship

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posted February 22, 2015 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Enneline:
the girl's venus is not that unaspected:
Venus is sextile sun & lilith, is trine Vesta, widely trine moon, and closely conjunct his midheaven
His midheaven on her venus could lead him to idealize/admire her; apart from the that her chart ruler moon falls in his 7th house, is opposite pluto, trine neptune (his 5h ruler), square venus (his 8th house ruler), is widely trine mars (his 7th house ruler).
For sexual attraction they have pluto conj asc, moon trine mars, venus semi-square mars, venus quintile pluto, mars semi-sextile sun/asc, mars opposite uranus, juno trine mars and conj. pluto, mars trine neptune, juno opposite sun/mood mdp, and in their composite there is a venus/mars conj and that is square pluto,

But that's not a lot I must admit


I dont see the lines in the chart you posted? I think you use too wide orbs. I would personally only count trines when they are below 4 degrees, and sextiles below 2 degrees, especially when it's with a less "important placement" as lilith.

But her moon being in his 7th house, that would not make her feel he is relationship matter, that would more point to him feeling that way, I would say.
I don't see their 8th house rulers doing anything major either, and both mars are making less important aspect, but his mars is trine her neptune? That is a good aspect though. But It is not a strong physical relationship in my book, so why needing the FWB label on it?

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posted February 23, 2015 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
OK, I'm gonna say it, I find the FWB concept weird and unnatural for humans. Why do you need that? It never works anyway.

How about dating to make friends or a boyfriend? If not, just a hot night with a stranger.

Sorry for being so old-fashioned

I resent the FWB concept, it's against human biology and psychology. it's more of a marketing product.


I agree! Perhaps for different reasons.

How were current day "FWBs' thought of previously? Just people who were dating. So why the need to denigrate them just because they also have sex? Is that an undesirable element and so people who have sex when dating are lesser in someway?

The FWB description seems to be covering a wide variety of situations. It is often aimed at people who may simply be enjoying each other, or people experimenting with their own sexuality, or who may have good reasons for being more than mates. These reasons could be psychological or practical: recovering from past hurts; gradual building of trust; trying to establish whether the relationship could go the distance; work that prevents cohabitation, etc.

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posted February 23, 2015 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a FWB relationship one time....I thought it would be easy to do because he was so much younger and I never would see him as true partner material, he was just cute. Plus he was only in town for a few months.

It wasn't long before we both started having feelings, getting jealous and had to step away from the whole thing. We made it out without either if us getting too hurt, but I would not suggest having this kind of relationship.

Someone's feelings always get involved when your being intimate with another, really it can't be helped....it's called "intimacy" for a reason.

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posted February 23, 2015 07:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I dont see the lines in the chart you posted? I think you use too wide orbs. I would personally only count trines when they are below 4 degrees, and sextiles below 2 degrees, especially when it's with a less "important placement" as lilith.

But her moon being in his 7th house, that would not make her feel he is relationship matter, that would more point to him feeling that way, I would say.
I don't see their 8th house rulers doing anything major either, and both mars are making less important aspect, but his mars is trine her neptune? That is a good aspect though. But It is not a strong physical relationship in my book, so why needing the FWB label on it?


you are right, I used too wide orbs for sextiles but I am generous for trines & conjunctions.

She squares his venus (his chart ruler + 8th house ruler) with her moon (her chart ruler) by 3 deg and her venus is conjunct closely by his mc. His mars is trined by her moon by 6 deg and receives some minor aspects.
Her venus is trined by his moon by 6 degrees as well. His Moon fall in her 8h house
etc.etc.

I am not saying there's a lot but I can see the attraction they feel for each other.

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posted February 23, 2015 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Septembergirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by page one:
Oh hell no. Sun conjunct Juno. Venus conj Mars squaring Pluto.[/QUOTE

Sun conj juno is a bad thing??

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posted February 23, 2015 11:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is for a casual fling.

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The term itself "friends with benefits" is pejorative, on many levels. For example, it minimizes the importance and beauty of sex as a profound intimate experience. It makes you look at sex as a physiological function, just like going to the bathroom or to the gym. FWB suggests these two people are "buddies", but they don't love each other (?)(not weird? shouldn't buddies love each other?), however they use each other's bodies for regular release - the "benefit"-

"We are just buddies and part of our friendship is to take care of our bodily needs"

Yuck! on many levels

As Gabby, page one and the others say, very few people can have sex devoid of emotions and feelings for a long time and if they can, they should probably go to a psychologist. Actually sex is not meant to happen this way, our relation with our animal nature is different and changing, gradually the body is seen as the "temple" of someone's soul and mind and not a place of damnation or pure bodily functions, and probably one of the themes of the spiritual and educational evolution of 21st century people is the rejection of this idea of using someone else's body for self-gratification, like it were a puppet (and this hopefully will include the rejection of prostitution, one day, and of this FWB concept) and also rejecting the idea of seeing your own animal nature, sexuality as something dirty, unimportant, simply physiological, dismissive, devoid of feelings and emotions.

To me, practicing mutual masturbation with a "buddy" (since it wouldn't be making love) sounds much nastier than doing it with a stranger, although they're both equally avoidable. I don't see other people as bodies to use for sexual release.

There's something else very very strange about FWB: why doing it? why not dating someone you're really attracted to, someone you could fall in love with, and make love to them?

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posted February 24, 2015 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's surprising, because there's a lot of indications of seriousness hete

I thought the same thing. It looks serious.

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posted February 24, 2015 04:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We shouldn't call their "relationship" a fwb thing IMO. They meet for sex only and that's it. They don't go out together.

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posted February 24, 2015 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually that's what I was about to mention ^
You can't have a friends with benefits relationship with someone you are *not* friends with :/

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posted February 24, 2015 04:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I am curious how things are going to develop. They met in a dating portal, in a quite casual dating portal, and after he met her in person he didn't mention anything like fwb or f*ck-buddy. He also doesn't want her to see other guys.
But nonetheless it is a sex thing only so far

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