posted February 27, 2015 11:35 AM            

tp Moon 11 Aries opposing tp Mars (and tp Venus and tp Pluto and Ithink tp Juno as well)

posted February 27, 2015 11:37 AM            

tp Moon 11 Aries opposing tp Mars (and tp Venus and tp Pluto and Ithink tp Juno as well)

i suppose the square to n Saturn is fitting as well for talking about a divorce.

posted February 27, 2015 11:40 AM            

If declination then that secondary mars opp the Ter sun is hitting my ASC / DSC at 17 taurus/ Scorpio.

posted February 27, 2015 01:26 PM            

What do I do first...? Compare tertiary to natals? and then tertiary to tertiary? Do you look at tertiary composite as well?

Also, what's secondary progressions? Is it the same as the regular progression we talk about?

I just quickly did tertiary-natal comparison with my current crush, and his Sun square my tpJuno exactly and his tpNodal axis exactly lines up with my nAsc/Dsc axis. Our tp synastry is cool too! IC/MC axis lined up exactly! I also see some strong conjunctions..

posted February 27, 2015 01:53 PM            

In addition, the tertiary progressed sun at 17 virgo will oppose my secondary progressed Mars with the transit sun, Chiron, and POF. Solar arc Venus is at 17 Gemini.
Natal mars at 17 Aquarius. And transit Venus at 17 aries. The transit Moon will be in Virgo on that day.

Just a few days prior the tertiary progressed moon will pass 14 degree with my natal Mercury and hit my secondary progressed sun at 14 taurus. And aspect transit Jupiter at 14 in Leo. With my tertiary progressed Saturn. And transit Pluto is now at 14 degree Capricorn.
Also Uranus is in aries at 14 degree.

posted February 28, 2015 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

the tertiary Moon moves about 1 degree in 2 days (that is important if you use astro.com, as they only give you the position of the Moon as it is at the FIRST day of the month in question, so you have to manually estimate the position of the moon, if the event you are looking at was letīs say 2 weeks after the month started).

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On astro.com, I entered the date for an event as October 20th, which put my Moon in Taurus 20°29, but the wheel showed the date for October 15th instead.

So does that mean my tp. Moon isn't accurate?
Will it be Taurus 23° instead if I counted the degrees manually like you said?

If the Moon is off then that means my angles will be too. And the Vertex.
How would I adjust those?

posted February 28, 2015 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I love them. They are my number 1 spy on someones inner/true feelings method. .

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posted February 28, 2015 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I LOVE them.

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Hunny, i swear by them!
I wasnt so sure before but the tertiary predicted the start of my relationship last summer, and to a tee!

I remember before it happened, i told you that my tertiary progression looks exciting in the month of July and if something happened, i'd let you know that it worked. And it did precisely!
It happened in August actually, which made me adjust/ rectify my nat ASC by one degree. Tertiaries are great tools for birth rectification since the timing of events shown in the TP is very precise.

So
For that month:
TP ASC had progressed to 17' Libra, which is my natal Venus ( 17 'Libra).
TP Uranus was at 17 Libra, too, right on my TP ASC.
My luv's natal Sun is 17'Aries , which conjuncted the TP DSC at 17' Aries exactly!
TP Moon crossed my natal MC
TP MC was at 21Cancer which is my natal Sun/Moon midpoint.

For him:
TP ASC had progressed to 0' Virgo, which is my natal Sun ( 1' Virgo)!!
(So, my tp asc/dsc was at the degree of his natal Sun, and his tp asc/dsc was at the degree of my natal sun)
The TP DSC was at 0' Pisces which conj his natal Venus at 0' Pisces.
His TP Moon crossed his natal ASC .

posted March 01, 2015 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
On astro.com, I entered the date for an event as October 20th, which put my Moon in Taurus 20°29, but the wheel showed the date for October 15th instead.

So does that mean my tp. Moon isn't accurate?
Will it be Taurus 23° instead if I counted the degrees manually like you said?

If the Moon is off then that means my angles will be too. And the Vertex.
How would I adjust those?

Sorry for bombarding you with so many questions, my brain's fried from studying for my finals. xP

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Lavender,

while in the secondary progressions one day in the ephemeris equals one year of your life, in tertiary progressions one day in the ephemeris equals one month of your life.

Hence the secondaries are the yearly progressions (related to the Sun) and the tertiaries the monthly (related to the Moon).

Now what does that mean for the calculation?

It means that the tertiary progressed Moon will move as many degrees as he has moved on that day that symbolizes your progressions for that date.

For example.

This month (for me) is equated with the 7th june 1976.

On that day the moon moved from 9°35 Libra to 24°02 Libra.
That means that my tertiary progressed Moon is moving the same amount of degrees in the current month.

Unfortunately astro.com only gives you the starting degree of the tertiary pr Moon on the very first day of your current month. Hence you have to calculate manually where it really is if you inquire about a day somewhen during the month.

The Moon approximately moves half a degree in one day (of the month), one degree in 2 days.

However that is a VERY rough figure;
if you want to calculate it more exactly, you will have to see how many days are in your month. I`d say about 28 or 29.

You also have to calculate the degrees and maybe minutes your Moon moved in that month.

In my case 15 degrees or 15x60 minutes.
If I divide the degrees of the Moon`s motion by the days in the month, I know how many minutes or degrees the Moon moved on one day.

In my case a bit more than half a degree I think.

And if I want to know about the 20th day in that month I will have to multiply that figure (of how many minutes the Moon moves at ONE day) with 20, and add the result to the degree astro.com lists for the Moon.

Or I just type it into solar fire and let them do the calculation for me.

As for the angles, that is an interesting thing. For some reason astrologers seeemed to have agreed to NOT take the real progressed angles, but apply the solar motion to them. Hence they move exactly as quickly as the progressed Sun, which is about one degree in any given year, and in the case of the tertiaries that means the angles will move just ONE degree in ONE month.

posted March 01, 2015 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Tertiaries are great tools for birth rectification since the timing of events shown in the TP is very precise.

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Orange,

yes I remembre our conversation, and it totally floored me to see how crazily accurately predictive the tp was in your case. Still being floored. lol
Your case is one of the reasons I got really convinced of their validity.

posted March 01, 2015 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
By the very end of this year my tertiary looks amazing.
Ill let you know how the events matched the tertiary picture.
I will have an exact Venus/ Mars conjunction at 15' Gemini, right on top of my natal IC ( 15' Gemini).
TP Moon will be crossing my natal ASC/Dsc .
TP Sun is exactly on tp DSC
Tp ASC is exact on Jupiter.
Hhmm, Looks good to me

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Planning on getting married or having a baby?

posted March 01, 2015 05:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Planning on getting married or having a baby?

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Having a baby has been on my mind a lot lately.

But it could be romantic commitment too. I dont know..

Yes, i stick with orb under 1. Thats the reason i adjusted my birthtime a few minutes ( it has always been a variation between 7:10 and 7:14 pm) . The tertiary for August had 18' Libra for the ASC but i adjusted it a degree to 17' to match my nat Venus. The adjustment of the tp ASC fixed my birthtime to 7:10 ( as my mom initially told me)

posted March 01, 2015 06:29 AM            

"But it could be romantic commitment too. I dont know.."
Yes, I thought so, too.
But then you just have gotten into a relationship, so you are already in one.
Then again, maybe a deepening of the romantic attachment?

"Yes, i stick with orb under 1."
I like those, too.
My birthtime is pretty accurate though and working with other progressions and solar arcs too.

But last time in june, well I talked about that repeatedly but 9th and 13th june.
On the 9th june was an open air concert where Mr Sag suddenly was paying me a lot of attention, nonverbal but at the same time too loud, so not even I could mistake it for a coincidence. :laughter:

Coincidentally I saw him on a solo concert again, where it seemed like well after seeing me he pretty much started messing up a lot on stage, he just seemed out of it. Which I did not even relate back to my presence there, until he made that comment about the lady in 2nd row at the far right end driving him crazy to the point of messing up his lines. And well there was only one lady at the designated seat, and to be honest I still donīt know why he said that. lol
But it left a deep impression and made me - once again - reconsider the nature of my onesided crush (which though utterly impossible- suddenly did not feel THAT onesided after all).
Confusing of course, anyway while of course no relationship evolved from that, I get the feeling it changed something big time. Maybe just my perception, but all in all it seems also that our connection shifted, changed, getting more, I donīt know. To be honest I have no freaking clue what kind of connection that is, and I guess he does not either, and somehow trying to figure out how to deal with each other.lol

But the new thing about it for me was that apparently I presented some sort of intrigue to him. which rocked my perception of myself and of certain encounters with him considerably. Still not a real clue though. lol

Well at the beginning of that week,w he the open air concert took place I had

Tp Sun 7°44 Gemini
Tp Moon 6°52 Gemini
n DESC 7°03 Gemini

But when the actual comment about me was being made 4 days later Moon had already moved on a bit

Tp Sun 7°53 Gemini
Tp Moon 8°40 Gemini
n DESC 7°03 Gemini

Do you think I should change my ASC about one degree, that it could be more around 8 Sagittarius than 7 degrees?

The exact New Moon in tertiaries was on 7°49 Gemini (not using parallax Moon btw)

When using parallax Moon it already was at 9°06 Gemini on 13th june, so dfinitely out of orb for the conjunction to DESC

posted March 01, 2015 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

Tertiary is very cut and dry, thou. It doesnt show evolvement, What it does is pinpoint events, ticking like a clock. vHence the notion that approaching aspect in TP doesnt yield results, things only happen when the aspect is exact.

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posted March 01, 2015 06:47 AM            

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Do you think I should change my ASC about one degree, that it could be more around 8 Sagittarius than 7 degrees?

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posted March 01, 2015 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

I would have only adjusted the natal angles only if their progressed equivalent missed an event by a degree or two.

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you mean the tp ASC or MC I guess?

posted March 01, 2015 06:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
you mean the tp ASC or MC I guess?

BTW what have your experiences been with the parallax Moon? More valid or not?

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Well, only the adjustment of the natal angles would respectively adjust the TP angles

Like in my case, for that specific month the tp asc was 18' Libra.
I adjusted my natal angles by changing the birthtime from 7:14 to 7:10 and the TP Asc changed itself to 17 Libra

posted March 01, 2015 06:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Well, only the adjustment of the natal angles would respectively adjust the TP angles .

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Yes.

Well interestingly 2 months later, when he was doing another concert and deciding to come off his stage to walk over to me and ask for my name and inform the audience (and me possibly?) that we already knew each other, and was just basically driving ME nuts for a change, by being more close to my table in the audience than on stage as it seemed. lol

my tp ASC was on 16°49 Cancer conjunct natal Saturn on 16°56 Cancer, which seems quite close.

Tr Uranus on 16°05 Aries was squaring it.

And Tr Pluto on 11°12 Capricorn was opposing tp Moon on 11°04 Cancer

(funny enough it seems that the non-parallax Moon produces the tighter orbs in my case).

posted March 01, 2015 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Well, only the adjustment of the natal angles would respectively adjust the TP angles

Like in my case, for that specific month the tp asc was 18' Libra.
I adjusted my natal angles by changing the birthtime from 7:14 to 7:10 and the TP Asc changed itself to 17 Libra

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yes, makes total sense.

posted March 01, 2015 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by YellowGerbera:
I've never looked into tertiary progressions before so I want to try this!

What do I do first...? Compare tertiary to natals? and then tertiary to tertiary? Do you look at tertiary composite as well?

Also, what's secondary progressions? Is it the same as the regular progression we talk about?

I just quickly did tertiary-natal comparison with my current crush, and his Sun square my tpJuno exactly and his tpNodal axis exactly lines up with my nAsc/Dsc axis. Our tp synastry is cool too! IC/MC axis lined up exactly! I also see some strong conjunctions..

HOWEVER, I highly doubt anything will happen between us today.. lol!!

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Personally I think you need to start with your own progressions before comparing to anyone else`s.

Secondary is the normal progressed chart, yes.

if you compare, I would keep the orbs at 1 degree max, and especially check

- the angles, including Vertex
- Sun and Moon
- possibly Venus (and Mars)
- ruler of 1st, 7th, 5th and 8th (for relationships esp.)

only conjunction, square and opposition under 1 degree are energetic enough to produce events.

the tp Moon has to first be checked, as this is the ticking of our clock. If it is going over an angle, especially a natal one, this will herald a very significant time that needs to be analyzed in more depth.

If the tp Moon does not produce any aspects under 1 degree orb, I doubt anything significant will take place.

posted March 01, 2015 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
yes, makes total sense.

I am curious what Tr Uranus is doing to your natal Venus and will so again to your tp DESC. When will it conjunct it again?

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Good question, darling
My relationship started when TR Uranus was at 17' Aries - exactly on my TP DSC, my natal Venus and his natal Sun ( we have a synastrical Sun - Ven opposition at 17 Libra- Aries).
TR Uranus is approaching that degree again next month, this time coupled with Pluto in transit - TR pluto squaring our sun- venus opposition while Uranus conjuncting it. hhMM