posted April 14, 2015 09:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
& YES, MidnightVenus

At some point I did feel like he owed me for abandoning me until I realized he doesn't owe me anything. I made a conscious decision to get and stay involved so I should just face the consequences... of course.

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I don't know much about Karmic Astrology itself but I've been learning some stuff here on LL.
Dig deeper into the forums, you'll learn a lot!

The fact that your Karma sits on your 7H shows that you'll learn from your Karma through relationships, like it was with this one.
I don't think you'll always suffer, but you will definitely learn lessons through them about things that have hurt you.
Especially because your Chiron sits on your 4H.
The 4H is said to be the soul.
I feel your soul needs healing.

posted April 14, 2015 09:21 AM            

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Isn't it weird that my father is a Sagittarius and My mother is a Gemini?

My NN is in Sagittarius
My SN is in Gemini.

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posted April 14, 2015 09:24 AM              

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yanmorg:
[b] So does that mean he came into my life so I can settle a karmic debt from a past life?

Does this have any significance?:

I met him right before Transit Saturn entered Scorpio.

At the time, TSaturn was on my 5th house cusp entering my 6th house.

We ended right before TSaturn was finishing up its transit in Scorpio.

When TSaturn entered Sagittarius, it was hovering on my 7th house cusp.

Now TSaturn is transiting my 7th house (ruled by Scorpio), conjunct my mars and North Node in Sagittarius.

Aries rules my 12th house which is the focus here. Interesting.

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ETA: On a more positive side of tSaturn in 7th H..... If you work on this issue, may be learning to go slow at the beginning of the relationship etc.... by the time Saturn leaves your 7th H, Satur will leave you a gift by bringing more healthy relationship in your life. Of course, it all depends on what's happening with the rest of the chart, progression etc.... but generally that is the case. If it doesn't bring a new person, at least you worked hard on the relationship issues and you will have a healthier attitude/idea about relationship.

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Yeah that's exactly where I am now.. going through the motions with everyone in my life. There's a huge focus on my relationships! I find myself overthinking or being overcautious because for once in my life, I'm actually aware of the other person 100%. I've always been able to get along well with people, but certain communication issues caused a lot of problems in my relationships and I can tell TSaturn in my 7th H wants me to work on this.

posted April 14, 2015 09:31 AM              

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Now I wonder, is your father's Sun in conjunction to your Mars-NN conjunction or to your Karma maybe?

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posted April 14, 2015 09:34 AM              

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Now I wonder, is your father's Sun in conjunction to your Mars-NN conjunction or to your Karma maybe?

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From the looks of it, his mercury conjuncts my NN

My karma conjuncts his Sun.

posted April 14, 2015 09:36 AM              

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I don't know much about Karmic Astrology itself but I've been learning some stuff here on LL.
Dig deeper into the forums, you'll learn a lot!

The fact that your Karma sits on your 7H shows that you'll learn from your Karma through relationships, like it was with this one.
I don't think you'll always suffer, but you will definitely learn lessons through them about things that have hurt you.
Especially because your Chiron sits on your 4H.
The 4H is said to be the soul.
I feel your soul needs healing.

Here's an awesome article. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/000001.html
Maybe you should check your father's Karma asteroid.

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posted April 14, 2015 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Me and my father have excellent communication. I was never afraid to confront him about my emotions. He actually forces it out of ke because he always knows when something's wrong with me.

Now, I have poured my heart out before but I didn't say anything or do anything that my father didn't already predict.

My dad isn't a perfect man, but he's an honest man. With himself and others. He actually said I have some abandonment issues because of him. The issues come in when he thinks he can solve all (not literally all) my problems through a cellphone.

I do feel angry sometimes when my father adopts his philosophical view on how I should view his absence. Sometimes you just can't heal someone with all that philosophical, higher learning talk. My father is a Sagittarius so I get his optimism, but sometimes it's hurtful. He disconnects from his emotions and looks at every situation with an objective point of view which drives me nuts because meanwhile, I have all of this emotions bottled up that are hard to express. Now don't get me wrong, he's very much in touch with his deepest emotions. My guess is, my dad just tries to help me with my issues by trying to make me look at the situation differently..

Isn't it weird that my father is a Sagittarius and My mother is a Gemini?

My NN is in Sagittarius
My SN is in Gemini.

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Even though you have communication your still not being or feeling heard and validated. If someone is trying to direct you how to feel regarding the way their actions affected you, it's only going to create more hurt. The pain won't go away until either you feel heard or you find a way to let go of needing him to hear you...which of course is hard to let go of.

posted April 14, 2015 10:15 AM              

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
His Karma square your Mars-NN conjunction.
His Sun conjunct your Karma.
His Chiron square your Karma.

This is definitely IT.
Right on point about the involvement of Chiron and Karma.

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posted April 14, 2015 10:17 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Even though you have communication your still not being or feeling heard and validated. If someone is trying to direct you how to feel regarding the way their actions affected you, it's only going to create more hurt. The pain won't go away until either you feel heard or you find a way to let go of needing him to hear you...which of course is hard to let go of.

Your NN/SN IS very interesting!!

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Yeah you're right. I do feel unheard a lot of the time and these are probably the feelings Mr. taurus arroused in me with his behavior. I felt the same with him. Almost as if my emotions were blocked and he didn't understand or even try to understand for that matter.

posted April 14, 2015 10:18 AM            

My father has a Sun-Chiron conjunction, conjunct my Saturn.
My Karma squares his Mars.
His Mars opposite my ASC conjunct his NN.
His Vertex conjunct my SN.

posted April 14, 2015 10:20 AM              

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I actually decided to check how Chiron and Karma are in the Synastry with my father and compare with yours.

My father has a Sun-Chiron conjunction, conjunct my Saturn.
My Karma squares his Mars.
His Mars opposite my ASC conjunct his NN.
His Vertex conjunct my SN.

This might be why I find myself in an alike situation.

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posted April 14, 2015 10:22 AM              

This just keeps spelling karma fate karma fate karma.

posted April 14, 2015 10:23 AM            

People will say they had a great relationship and then it was gone--Poof. This is a strong Chiron in almost all cases.

I would say all cases but like to cover my bases

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posted April 14, 2015 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Indeed.. so he was a catalyst for a deeper wound..
But since it's square instead of a positive aspect, isn't this negative karma?

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posted April 14, 2015 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
Yeah you're right. I do feel unheard a lot of the time and these are probably the feelings Mr. taurus arroused in me with his behavior. I felt the same with him. Almost as if my emotions were blocked and he didn't understand or even try to understand for that matter.

Very deep...

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Your dad's taurus moon falls in your 12th, the house of the subconious and all the things that make you feel isolated and alone. 12th house is full of the things that you can't quite comprehend on the every day level and don't really want to...but you need to at some point.
It's just as you said, with these things you must go very deep.

Amazing how the Taurus guys Sun/Moon quite likely are conjunct(unsure of how tight) your dad's moon all in your 12th.
Unconsciously you will be drawn to energies that remind you of the origination of the pain(your father) because the pain wants to be seen and is ready to be worked through.

You want to heal, your mind is ready to let go of the pain and forgive. You love your dad and your tired of feeling mixed feelings regarding him, you just want to feel love.
The taurus guys energy would feel much like your dad's energy and your drawn to him because the subonscious doesn't know the difference, it's just energy and feelings it senses and it cannot see this is not the correct person to work this problem out with. It reacts as if the rejection has happened all over again, you feel irrational pain and stress at even the slightest rejection. But it's not irrational to you, it is totally valid....but it's not valid in the situation with the taurus guy, because he's not the real issue.
Your subconscious doesn't know the difference, all it knows is it opened itself up find a way to heal and got shot down again.
I'm sorry your going through this, it will get better!!

posted April 14, 2015 11:07 AM              

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Your dad's taurus moon falls in your 12th, the house of the subconsvious and all the things that make you feel isolated and alone. 12th house is full of the things that you can't quite comprehend on the every day level and don't really want to...but you need to at some point.
It's just as you said, with these things you must go very deep.

Amazing how the Taurus guys Sun/Moon quite likely are conjunct(unsure of how tight) your dad's moon all in your 12th.
Unconsciously you will be drawn to energies that remind you of the pain, because the pain wants to be seen and worked through. You want to heal, your mind is ready to let go of the pain and forgive. You love your dad and your tired of feeling mixed feelings you just want to feel love.
The taurus guys energy would feel much like your dad's energy and your drawn to him because subonscious doesn't know the difference, it's just energy and feelings it does not see this is not the correct person to work this problem out with.

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This IS amazing. It's amazing how so many pieces fit together like that.

Yes, I do want to heal. I am ready to heal. I want to free myself from all of this pain and overthinking.

I wouldn't doubt their moons being conjunct. The connection I felt towards Mr. taurus was unlike anything I ever experienced.

He reminded me so much of my dad, the confusion creeped in when I started viewing him as someone like my father and when he failed to measure up, my mind started playing tricks on me and going into extreme overload trying to decipher his true intentions.

Since he reminded me so much of my father, I thought I had found my perfect match unconsciously because my dad has many attributes that I would want in a man.

Do you see my thought process throughout this relatiobship?
The connection between my father and Mr. taurus was simply unconscious!

Which I didn't understand until now!

This all makes sense.

This was the missing piece that my mind was after.

I needed to figure this out.

posted April 14, 2015 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
This IS amazing. It's amazing how so many pieces fit together like that.

Yes, I do want to heal. I am ready to heal. I want to free myself from all of this pain and overthinking.

I wouldn't doubt their moons being conjunct. The connection I felt towards Mr. taurus was unlike anything I ever experienced.

He reminded me so much of my dad, the confusion creeped in when I started viewing him as someone like my father and when he failed to measure up, my mind started playing tricks on me and going into extreme overload trying to decipher his true intentions.

Since he reminded me so much of my father, I thought I had found my perfect match unconsciously because my dad has many attributes that I would want in a man.

Do you see my thought process throughout this relatiobship?
The connection between my father and Mr. taurus was simply unconscious!

Which I didn't understand until now!

This all makes sense.

This was the missing piece that my mind was after.

I needed to figure this out.

Thank you all so so so much.

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posted April 14, 2015 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I do wish he'd been more mature and disengaged from the relationship (if that's what it was) much sooner than ignore daily, all-day texts, for several months. Wow.

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Honestly, if someone texted me every day and I wasn't interested, I would be pretty creeped out.

Yan, you have all of my compassion. But you are stuck in a rut. The lesson this guy is teaching you is how to let go. Tell yourself a story: Boy, I fell hard for this guy, and then he turned out to be a jerk! I'm so glad I didn't get caught up in that!

Believe me when I say you are far better off without him. Isn't it time to stop checking his Facebook? His Twitter? You haven't seen him in a year. The point is, it doesn't matter why it didn't work out. He already told you everything you need to know about him.

posted April 14, 2015 11:15 AM              

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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
Honestly, if someone texted me every day and I wasn't interested, I would be pretty creeped out.

Yan, you have all of my compassion. But you are stuck in a rut. The lesson this guy is teaching you is how to let go. Tell yourself a story: Boy, I fell hard for this guy, and then he turned out to be a jerk! I'm so glad I didn't get caught up in that!

Believe me when I say you are far better off without him. Isn't it time to stop checking his Facebook? His Twitter? You haven't seen him in a year. Block those things and try something new. I know you can do it.

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Yes. Everything you said 100% correct.

I die inside every time I lose self control and run to twitter, instagram, etc. I am stuck in a rut and I know it's time to let go.'

posted April 14, 2015 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Pretty Theft:
Honestly, if someone texted me every day and I wasn't interested, I would be pretty creeped out.

Yan, you have all of my compassion. But you are stuck in a rut. The lesson this guy is teaching you is how to let go. Tell yourself a story: Boy, I fell hard for this guy, and then he turned out to be a jerk! I'm so glad I didn't get caught up in that!

Believe me when I say you are far better off without him. Isn't it time to stop checking his Facebook? His Twitter? You haven't seen him in a year. The point is, it doesn't matter why it didn't work out. He already told you everything you need to know about him.

I know you can do it.

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But I, too, believe Yan can do this. She's strong enough to face her situation to work it through. You are a half way there.

posted April 14, 2015 11:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Yanmorg:
It definitely felt like a past-life connection. The comfort I felt with him was out of this world which is probably I'm very much confused. I shouldn't feel this comfortable with someone who doesn't feel the same? At least this was my thought process. I felt at home with him. It's just hard to believe that he just wasn't right for me in the long run.

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posted April 15, 2015 08:08 AM              

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Originally posted by astra7:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yanmorg:
It definitely felt like a past-life connection. The comfort I felt with him was out of this world which is probably I'm very much confused. I shouldn't feel this comfortable with someone who doesn't feel the same? At least this was my thought process. I felt at home with him. It's just hard to believe that he just wasn't right for me in the long run.

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It's so easy to get confused if another person feel familiar and everything seems lovely at the beginning due to SN but those affected by such aspect need to remind themselves that comfortable feeling doesn't always mean relationship. Also, just because you feel passion, doesn't mean the other person feels it equally....sadly.

Based on our Synastry and composite, how do you think he ultimately felt about me?

Some insight on this would be great just for the hell of it because that's one thing I could never figure out!

He was so mysterious and aloof, but intense and affectionate at the same time. It was a constant fluctuation of emotions with him..

posted May 18, 2015 04:04 PM              

I did some digging & found out some key placements between him and his girlfriend:

His Vertex conjuncts Her Sun.
His Karma opposes Her Venus.
His NN conjuncts Her Mercury.

Her Karma is trine His Venus.

In composite they have a Moon-Uranus square and Venus-Uranus trine. With a Sun-Saturn conjunction conjuncting their love stellium.

No wonder he was more drawn to her in the long run.