posted April 17, 2015 07:02 AM            

I have the square natally and in synastry have been first venus and then the saturn party. Having now experienced having been the saturn party I would be able to reassure my experience as venus because .... Being Venus is so hard, painful, frightening, stressful at times but as saturn it's not that I don't feel the love as strongly or those same fears but something strange occurs both when I try to express affection and when the other tries to express affection to me. And that I would liken to breath colliding with cold air. The warmth seems to just manifest through cold signs no matter how is felt inside.

posted April 17, 2015 07:47 AM            

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posted April 17, 2015 08:37 PM            

I've dealt with this aspect about 10 times dating because people born in 1990 from late summer to winter Saturn squares my Venus. I'm around these people a lot, flirt with them a lot, do the courtship a lot, also I know there is attraction as it is usually confirmed and every time this has happened:

1. Bad timing. This can range from one of the people moving away, a person just started dating someone, the person has something making them not emotionally ready to date, for some reason one of people gets scared off. Just about anything you can imagine Saturn uses it as a tool to block the relationship. The stories I have with people squaring my Venus and how creative the energy has been in blocking any affection truly ranges all sorts of ridiculousness.

2. If not out right not happening/blocked Saturn slows down the beginning relationship or the culmination of a casual flirty relationship. It slows it down so much I'm of the opinion it isn't worth it. And even then, once something does happen Saturn brings more problems.

Some of the best synastry and composites I've had have been with 1990 Late Summer-Winter people and yet Saturn square Venus still put it on ice. I've have way more luck even with the ********* of synastries of people born in other years without Saturn issues than I do with even the BEST of synastry charts with a Venus square Saturn.

I always say I'm not inclined to settle down, or date continually but there was one 1990 person I began dating that I knew instantly I'd settle down with. Random **** got in the way. Her personal history, other life events, literally the most imaginative crap that could happen, happened. And no matter how much we liked each other, how compatible we were, and how close we got at times to being together something just happened.

This aspect is on my **** list.

posted April 17, 2015 08:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Wow Koho, that's brutal. I mean, my boyfriend and I have this aspect, so far nothing bad has happened and it's been the most functional relationship I've ever had. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. We got together quickly, but maybe that's Uranus that prompted that. We have moon-Uranus at zero degrees, too.

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I think your analysis is good. Uranus would be the best thing to override Saturn especially if you're both more Uranian in nature I think.

As for me, and the girl I mentioned, are more Saturn in nature. She's a Capricorn Asc so I feel even with Uranus helping us, and it was a bit, it can't beat the discomfort of her chart ruler.

posted April 18, 2015 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
I think your analysis is good. Uranus would be the best thing to override Saturn especially if you're both more Uranian in nature I think.

As for me, and the girl I mentioned, are more Saturn in nature. She's a Capricorn Asc so I feel even with Uranus helping us, and it was a bit, it can't beat the discomfort of her chart ruler.

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I just realized.
In fact, the only exception to the Saturn block I've had was with the person that had Uranus prominent in the synastry and her natal chart. Not much about her was Saturn influenced. Saturn still slowed it to a crawl at times but the Uranus created breaks where we'd hook up, get close, have moments, and then Saturn would solidify again and things would go to a crawl again.

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Yes, I've noticed uranus in the chart makes it easier. I've venus sq saturn natally but often I can feel any synastry between venus and saturn is operating, or, at its best operating, through Uranian needs of distance etc. my uranus is so countered in other ways and venus-saturn natal aspect so depressing neat they are kind of playing each other out.

Ami, that's true but it's so hard for Saturn to break out of that demeanor even when conscious of it and even knowing what venus undergoes as in my case. But it did make me think, and kohos response, that even understanding saturns struggle as I do now, it must be a lot easier to bear as I can this time see the benefits of it.

posted April 18, 2015 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
I would assume that 'harsh' saturn aspects depend on how saturn has been dealt with. Some people tend to do a lot of hard work with a natal saturn/moon conj for example and if they then find they have been able to heal and positively manifest the more challenging results of this, then someone's moon/venus hitting their saturn may not be as harsh as another person who has turned away from this inner work/healing. It depends on the person imo. i wouldn't let astrology dictate or have you run away screaming just because you see this in synastry. Remember there's bad synastry that works just fine for the couple...so I've heard!

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This post...
Yep. This. x100.

Of course, sometimes Saturn creates actual external limitations (as described by Koho) and that's very hard to deal with.
I don't know why it happens, perhaps there's some meaning behind it, or perhaps it "just" happens...

But just as often, it's about internal limitations - how one or both people find themselves unattractive or unlovable, or not good enough for that particular person, and so on.

Such feelings/thoughts can actually be projected onto the other, so that the person who initially feels inadequate starts finding fault in the other person, thinking/saying things like, "Oh well he's not that handsome anyway", "She eats like a pig...", "How can he be so messy?" and so on... But in reality, such "non-acceptance" of the other is due to non-acceptance of the self; and it can also be a defense mechanism against letting love in, so as not to get one's heart broken ("If he leaves me, it's not a big deal because there are some things I don't like about him anyway / He's not that X anyway / I don't really like/love him anyway / It couldn't have worked anyway because X, Y, Z...")

There can also be the fear of the other person finding us unworthy of their time or affection, especially once they really get to know us. It can be hard to believe the other person truly finds us beautiful or attractive or valuable. "She'll dislike me when she discovers what kind of person I truly am...", "How can he be attracted to me? I'm so plain-looking. Surely there's something shady going on here", etc.

And that's why such contacts can be really interesting and a great impetus for growth; although there needs to be honesty and I would say "emotional bravery", because one has to expose one's vulnerabilities and weaknesses not only to oneself, but to Other, as well.

The trouble lies in the fact that sometimes, one person isn't well-equipped to handle such "challenges", so they can reinforce the other person's issues/wounds, which can create a lot of hardship and pain, and eventually even dissolve the relationship, or prevent it from happening altogether (if one or both people can't cope with their inadequacies and fears, and push the whole experience away).

If both people aren't fully aware of what's going on, especially inside of themselves, it can prove to be a traumatic experience because of heart-break and disappointment.
Even if one person is aware and the other is not, it can still be challenging to work with such energies because it makes one feel so uncomfortable and vulnerable.
Some people even refuse to face that side of themselves entirely (hence the projection or denial or running away, usually).

The tricky part is that even after a connection or a relationship is established, a certain co-dependency can emerge, for instance if one person relies on the other for assuaging their own self-worth issues ("He's the only one who finds me beautiful and attractive, I have to make sure he doesn't leave me" - basically believing, even subconsciously, that one has to cling to the other because one can only see one's worth through the eyes of the other).

Many things to consider, here...

In one-way contacts, the Saturn person usually carries the deepest wounds and hence faces the most internal challenges and struggles, and can therefore be a pain in the butt for the Venus person because they're dealing with their own demons.
In a DW both people can be prone to such tendencies so there can be some understanding and mutual growth, but again maturity, honesty and transparency are needed.

Oh, I forgot to mention: there can be a dislike of the other person's taste when it comes to... a ton of things, e.g. music, clothing, furniture, etc. (Venusian things) and a lack of understanding and/or appreciation of the other person's "social functioning" (how they behave in social settings) and also the way they express their love/affection (that's the hard part) - for example, if one person likes getting gifts from their S.O. and the other person doesn't express their love that way; or one person likes PDA and not the other, etc.
Here again, honesty, communication, and compromise are needed...

Perhaps not the easiest of relationships / connections, but quite eye-opening and "maturing", and if handled with care and maturity, can be long-lasting and solid, with a deep sense of security on all levels; feeling like you can depend on the other; there's a strong bond and mutual respect and appreciation of the differences.

posted April 18, 2015 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
This post...
Yep. This. x100.

Of course, sometimes Saturn creates actual external limitations (as described by Koho) and that's very hard to deal with.
I don't know why it happens, perhaps there's some meaning behind it, or perhaps it "just" happens...

But just as often, it's about internal limitations - how one or both people find themselves unattractive or unlovable, or not good enough for that particular person, and so on.

Such feelings/thoughts can actually be projected onto the other, so that the person who initially feels inadequate starts finding fault in the other person, thinking/saying things like, "Oh well he's not that handsome anyway", "She eats like a pig...", "How can he be so messy?" and so on... But in reality, such "non-acceptance" of the other is due to non-acceptance of the self; and it can also be a defense mechanism against letting love in, so as not to get one's heart broken ("If he leaves me, it's not a big deal because there are some things I don't like about him anyway / He's not that X anyway / I don't really like/love him anyway / It couldn't have worked anyway because X, Y, Z...")

There can also be the fear of the other person finding us unworthy of their time or affection, especially once they really get to know us. It can be hard to believe the other person truly finds us beautiful or attractive or valuable. "She'll dislike me when she discovers what kind of person I truly am...", "How can he be attracted to me? I'm so plain-looking. Surely there's something shady going on here", etc.

And that's why such contacts can be really interesting and a great impetus for growth; although there needs to be honesty and I would say "emotional bravery", because one has to expose one's vulnerabilities and weaknesses not only to oneself, but to Other, as well.

The trouble lies in the fact that sometimes, one person isn't well-equipped to handle such "challenges", so they can reinforce the other person's issues/wounds, which can create a lot of hardship and pain, and eventually even dissolve the relationship, or prevent it from happening altogether (if one or both people can't cope with their inadequacies and fears, and push the whole experience away).

If both people aren't fully aware of what's going on, especially inside of themselves, it can prove to be a traumatic experience because of heart-break and disappointment.
Even if one person is aware and the other is not, it can still be challenging to work with such energies because it makes one feel so uncomfortable and vulnerable.
Some people even refuse to face that side of themselves entirely (hence the projection or denial or running away, usually).

The tricky part is that even after a connection or a relationship is established, a certain co-dependency can emerge, for instance if one person relies on the other for assuaging their own self-worth issues ("He's the only one who finds me beautiful and attractive, I have to make sure he doesn't leave me" - basically believing, even subconsciously, that one has to cling to the other because one can only see one's worth through the eyes of the other).

Many things to consider, here...

In one-way contacts, the Saturn person usually carries the deepest wounds and hence faces the most internal challenges and struggles, and can therefore be a pain in the butt for the Venus person because they're dealing with their own demons.
In a DW both people can be prone to such tendencies so there can be some understanding and mutual growth, but again maturity, honesty and transparency are needed.

Oh, I forgot to mention: there can be a dislike of the other person's taste when it comes to... a ton of things, e.g. music, clothing, furniture, etc. (Venusian things) and a lack of understanding and/or appreciation of the other person's "social functioning" (how they behave in social settings) and also the way they express their love/affection (that's the hard part) - for example, if one person likes getting gifts from their S.O. and the other person doesn't express their love that way; or one person likes PDA and not the other, etc.
Here again, honesty, communication, and compromise are needed...

Perhaps not the easiest of relationships / connections, but quite eye-opening and "maturing", and if handled with care and maturity, can be long-lasting and solid, with a deep sense of security on all levels; feeling like you can depend on the other; there's a strong bond and mutual respect and appreciation of the differences.

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posted April 18, 2015 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by iliketurtles:
john lennon saturn squared yoko ono's venus

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posted April 18, 2015 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Long term, I do not like hard aspects or conjunctions of Venus/Saturn or Moon/Saturn. This is because Venus and the Moon are delicate yin(receptive) planets. It hurts the Venus and Moon person to have what feels like a "strict, critical dad on their cases" imo lol

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posted April 18, 2015 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ugh, MOON conjunct SATURN is the worst. I'm sure that with work, dedication, and emotional maturity, it can be weathered, but, good heavens is it hard to be the MOON!

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posted April 19, 2015 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ugh, MOON conjunct SATURN is the worst. I'm sure that with work, dedication, and emotional maturity, it can be weathered, but, good heavens is it hard to be the MOON!

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