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EmGem
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posted June 10, 2015 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I am still learning and am new to all this, I would LOVE for someone to explain the importance of nodal vs vertex conjunctions and contacts in synastry.

I'm wondering if one would take precedence in holding people together towards the other. I get the south node contacts are short lived unless there exist any hits with the north node. What about the vertix axis though?

someone enlighten me

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Lotis White
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posted June 10, 2015 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Vertex indicates those fated experiences that happen to us in life which take us by surprise, and lead us in an unexpected direction. It can be like a Dsc in that it shows how other people and external events can change our lives out of the blue, in ways we couldn't have anticipated.

The Antivertex (always directly opposite the Vertex) indicates those fated experiences in life which think we want, hope and long for, or have a spooky sort of premonition about beforehand. It can be like an Asc in that it shows the issues we tend to focus on, and be keenly aware of, when contemplating and walking our fated path in life.

People who conjunct our Antivertex bring us things we have always wanted. Kind of like a wish fulfillment thing. If the overall synastry is not so positive they can also bring us some of the things we always feared would happen. In either case the Antivertex represents people who bring us something we have established preconceived notions about, and were already half expecting.

People who conjunct our Vertex bring us the unexpected and lead us in new directions. They have a knack for getting us to look at the world in a new way, or getting us to try things we never thought we'd do. People on our Vertex can give us what we didn't even realize we needed until we encountered them.

The crux of the Vertex/Antivertex Axis is seems to be about those fated experiences that bring us the crazy unexpected vs those fated experiences that bring us what we suspected or hoped for.

The North Node/South Node is a whole different polarity. The South Node is about our past, and ingrained habitual patterns of behavior. The North node is about our future growth, and where it is we need to work on our skills. The North Node/South Node Axis shows our inner imbalance. The South Node is where we feel comfortable, like we know just what to do, whereas the North Node is where we feel like a newbie who has so much to learn. People tend to live too much through their South Node, especially when younger, because it comes naturally to us, and we feel safe in that mode. As we grow older we supposedly learn to embrace the challenge of our North Node (which represents abilities we have yet to develop). This can be hard work be it feels very rewarding as if we are making progress towards our destiny somehow.

In synastry people on our South Node can give us a feeling a comfort and familiarity. As if they remind us of something that we can’t quite consciously remember. There is a feeling of a shared past. Relating to these people can feel a lot like reminiscing, even if you just met. You get each other very quickly. Without North Node connections this can eventually start to feel limiting. Once we’ve established a connection it can feel a bit like there’s no more room for growth. However the South Node can help us to feel very validated in our personal strengths and abilities. These people tend to have a good appreciation for our natural mode of operation. They recognize our innate skills and talent in situations symbolized by our South Node.

In synastry people on our North Node exhibit talents and abilities we ourselves know we are lacking in and need to cultivate. They challenge us to develop this side of ourselves, and have a tendency to pull us out of our comfort zone. They inspire us to grow in the direction which we’ve always struggled with in the past. Conjunctions to the North Node are challenging but also exciting. We learn so much from our association with these people. Even if the synastry is overall negative we will begrudgingly admire some of their skills. In positive synastry these people make us feel as if we are growing towards our future. The longer we are with them, and the more we learn to overcome with our weaknesses, the more they tend to fill us with a feeling of joyful hope and accomplishment.

Which is more important the Vertex Axis or the Nodal Axis? The answer to me is that they are both important but in different ways. It’s like asking whether the Sun or Moon is more important. There is no definitive answer. Both the Vertex Axis and the Nodal Axis can bring profound experiences when conjunctions occur at either end of it. Which Axis is more important is a subjective thing to me.

The Vertex Axis is about expected Vs unexpected fateful events.

The Nodal Axis about our connection to the past Vs our growth into the future.

Both are important in different ways.

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posted June 10, 2015 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you Lotus, that clears it up for me
One question is what sorts of NN contacts are essential for future growth with that person? To personals only?

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Lotis White
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posted June 11, 2015 06:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think any planet on the North Node would have an impact, including the outer planets. Every planet rules a house. So even if a person only has an outer planet conjunct your North Node it will still impact you with reference to the house it rules in their chart.

Also, I'm one of those that believes the outer planets are powerful. If an outer planet went over your North Node you'd feel it, for sure, as representing a certain chapter in your life. The changes might be slow but they'd take place over an extended period of time. The cumulative change is likely to be great.

People are like permanent transits to our chart. Somebody's personal planet on our North Node would indicate rather rapid learning experiences with them. You'd feel the impact of their planet on your North Node very quickly.

An outer planet in someone else's chart on your North Node indicates that they bring more of a slower transformation into your life. You'd likely feel it after some time has passed, and the longer you're around that person the more dramatically you can feel them pulling on your North Node. If you tag along with them, the way their life flows forward over time just winds up pulling you in a North Node direction. For outer planets I'd prefer to see very tight orbs though.

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posted June 12, 2015 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think of it this way, EmGem.

VERTEX is what our soul has prepared for us. The ANTIVERTEX is what our ego wants. Both can seem rather preternatural in a way, but the ANTIVERTEX is a kind of bizarre wish-fulfillment.

These days, I always advise to be cautious with ANTIVERTEX aspects; to double-check just what we're sending out in the the universe, and if it's truly in line with our soul's intentions.

And, much as Lotis said, anything on the NNODE hints to our destiny, and the direction in which our soul is yearning to develop and evolve.

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posted June 12, 2015 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What would it mean to have one's Vertex conjunct the NN. as I do? The soul yearning for it's destiny or a life that leaves little to free will? What will be will be.

Vertex at 17 Sag
NN at 18 Sag

And what if these trine his Sun at 17 Leo?

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posted June 12, 2015 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It may be, AstroK, that your soul is ultimately trying to grow in the direction which its piloting. Your greatest lesson may be of the 'let go and let God' motif; the only alteration is that you are the captain of your own destiny. Not your ego, mind, but your soul.

That's a lovely fire trine, by the bye; is there anything bobbing about around 16º-19º Aries to make it Grand?

As to the trine's nature, think of it like this: his ego, as he's oriented it, is in harmony with your soul's evolutionary goals. The portrait of identity he's constructed for himself can help you en route to greater understanding of your soul's needs for its growth and development.

Fitting that my NNODE is at 18º LEO, actually.

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Astro keen
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posted June 12, 2015 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auby, your interpretations are alway inspiring .

Will go look at Aries...

I have Kaali at 16 Aries (15.58 to be precise). What is interesting about this Sun is that it is at the same degree as Sekhmet - both at 17.35, so much Goddess energy abounds.

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posted June 12, 2015 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I try to be as honest as I'm able. We're dealing with some pretty inspirational stuff here!

KAALI is indeed a potent one; more raw than SEKHMET, but I concur on the prominence of Goddess energy. That's wonderful. The Divine Feminine has great importance here.

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