posted July 27, 2015 10:29 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Oh wow my Madhatter conjuncts my valentine and forms a grand trine with my Pholus and southnode.

Falling in love is always a turning point for me and transforms me on a deep level, also I only let people in that I recognize and feel I already know, I am very southnode oriented in the love department, after all southnode does conjunct my AC even though it falls in my 12th.

Madhatter @ Leo 17d05
Valentine @ Leo 18d43
Pholus @ Aries 18d34
Southnode @ Sagittarius 19d41
Aura @ Sagittarius 18d24
Knight @ Sagittarius 19d15
Iris @ Sagittarius 20d47
Ascendent @ Sagittarius 23d38

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Oh, wow! H, your MH-VAL is conjunct my NNODE, 0°-1°. My NEP is on your SNODE/AURA/KNIGHT. And my SUN is opposite your PHOLUS. That says a lot!

BTW, tURA has been hugging it pretty tightly the past few months. How's that been? It's on my PRIAPUS; I can't imagine were it my PHOLUS! Any major changes in that area?

I also really appreciate your understanding and experience of MADHATTER-VALENTINE. I think that was a big part of his ever even conceiving of changing his principles -- for love, at that. At first, he couldn't allow himself to be so unconventional and against the status quo. Very concerned with the public perception -- what friends and family would think, if they knew. He couldn't even risk it for fear of being misperceived.

I don't think he realised I had to go through it, too; I had to accept the other side of the equation: being the married woman who's involved in a loving relationship with a man who isn't her husband. Just as he couldn't bear to be 'The Other Man', I had to contend with being labelled an adulteress. Further, I had to learn that a big part of our relationship -- as well as my marriage -- is to guard against prejudice. How many of us leap to conclusions that aren't even necessarily true? We assume based upon the little we know to guide us, and could be terribly wrong.

And so we've both had to change the standard definitions that usually apply, but don't here. And to do that, we both had to take a risk, accept the possibility of being maligned, ostracised and demonised. Of few ever getting the whole story and filling in the blanks with stereotypical assumptions.

That's a clear enough indication of MADHATTER with VALENTINE, if you ask me. He has the 0° conjunction, and mine is a wider (2°) square. Then my VALENTINE is loosely opposite his VALENTINE-MADHATTER -- just enough to count.

posted July 27, 2015 11:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, wow! H, your MH-VAL is conjunct my NNODE, 0°-1°. My NEP is on your SNODE/AURA/KNIGHT. And my SUN is opposite your PHOLUS. That says a lot!

BTW, tURA has been hugging it pretty tightly the past few months. How's that been? It's on my PRIAPUS; I can't imagine were it my PHOLUS! Any major changes in that area?

I also really appreciate your understanding and experience of MADHATTER-VALENTINE. I think that was a big part of his ever even conceiving of changing his principles -- for love, at that. At first, he couldn't allow himself to be so unconventional and against the status quo. Very concerned with the public perception -- what friends and family would think, if they knew. He couldn't even risk it for fear of being misperceived.

I don't think he realised I had to go through it, too; I had to accept the other side of the equation: being the married woman who's involved in a loving relationship with a man who isn't her husband. Just as he couldn't bear to be 'The Other Man', I had to contend with being labelled an adulteress. Further, I had to learn that a big part of our relationship -- as well as my marriage -- is to guard against prejudice. How many of us leap to conclusions that aren't even necessarily true? We assume based upon the little we know to guide us, and could be terribly wrong.

And so we've both had to change the standard definitions that usually apply, but don't here. And to do that, we both had to take a risk, accept the possibility of being maligned, ostracised and demonised. Of few ever getting the whole story and filling in the blanks with stereotypical assumptions.

That's a clear enough indication of MADHATTER with VALENTINE, if you ask me. He has the 0° conjunction, and mine is a wider (2°) square. Then my VALENTINE is loosely opposite his VALENTINE-MADHATTER -- just enough to count.

In the interim, I'd once found myself very emotional and exclaimed, 'if only you loved me as much as you do your principles!' I hadn't meant to do it; it just tumbled out. He felt terribly trapped: for as much as he did truly love me, he was still unwilling to believe that was what had to be done. Then, the following year, once he weighed our mutual suffering against the cost of adopting new principles -- revising his own rules -- that was when it all changed. It would still take work. Time. Adjustment. But when he committed to never stop trying, that was the moment our relationship, as it exists today, really began.

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posted July 28, 2015 12:03 AM            

I have my mad hatter CONJUNCT my girlfriends tantalus exact in the 5th also my madhatter CONJUNCT her Casanova 2 degree orb in 5th as well. My madhatter SQUARE her PAN (8th) EXACT.

Her mad hatter CONJUNCT my Union and sun in 4th 1 degree orb.

She also has mad hatter in her own natal CONJUNCT her own DNA in 4th and opposite PARADISE(10th) and SQUARE her vertex(7th) and my LAST NAME EXACT in her 1st house.

Madhatter in my own chart isn't really doing much....

posted July 28, 2015 12:14 AM            

My Madhatter parallels my DESC 0°
That explains a lot
But I do have an Aqua DESC, as well as a tight Venus-Uranus square

Cancer guy's Madhatter is conjunct his SN 2°
Uranus conjuncts his DESC-ruler, and opposes his Sun-Venus-Mercury

Our relationship is definitely very unconventional, taboo-breaking, unstable and yet full of excitement and deep love (even though we don't openly express it due to silly fear on his part but we're making progress it seems).

But oh my Goodness our composite is even more crazy with Madhatter

Its involved in a Grand Cross consisting of the following aspects:

Composite Madhatter opposite Sun 3°
Composite Madhatter opposite Mercury 0°
Composite Madhatter opposite Mars 0°
Composite Madhatter square Moon 1°
Composite Madhatter square Jupiter 3°
Composite Madhatter square Amor 0°

Synastry:
His Madhatter conjunct my MC 3°
His Madhatter quindecile my NN 1°
His Madhatter contra-parallel my Saturn 0° (DESC ruler)
His Madhatter antiscia my Part of Fortune 0°

posted July 28, 2015 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Your PRIAPUS? Oh, wow! That's a sensitive spot! Did it bring it out for you more than it had been before? Or has he shown you new, different, and innovative things in the area of sexual vulnerability, primality, and submission?

You're a MADHATTER-VALENTINE! Hah! What's the orb?

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My priapus is in the 9th and my 9th is intercepted. Lets just say that he unlocked in me and got me in touch with an intellectual side of me that was dormant and dying to be awaken and in that sense there is a clear before and after effect but it was more intellectual than sexual, my priapus is in virgo falling in my 9th. There was an intellectual awakening and I have never been the same since. Thanks for asking the right questions and helping me understand it.

posted July 28, 2015 12:15 AM            

Composite Madhatter conjunct Valentine 0°
Composite Madhatter sextile Pluto 0°
Composite Madhatter trine Vertex 0°
Composite Madhatter trine MC 0°

Synastry:
Madhatter contra-parallel Madhatter 0°

His Madhatter conjunct my Cupido 2°
His Madhatter parallel my Mars 0° (IC ruler)
His Madhatter contra-parallel my Uranus 0° (DESC co-ruler)
His Madhatter contra-parallel my Vertex 0°
His Madhatter antiscia my ASC 0°02

posted July 28, 2015 01:38 AM            

She also had:
Juno in scorpio @ 7d
Lilith in scorpio @ 7d
Saturn in libra @ 7d
Jupiter in libra @ 7d

I Have:

Priapus in virgo @ 7d
Pallas in Capricorn @ 7d
Chaos in Taurus @ 7d
Juno in Taurus @ 5d

posted July 28, 2015 05:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
MADHATTER conjunct PSYCHE! I have that in synastry both ways. I'm still trying to understand the intricacies of that one.

MH conjunct MERC I know somewhat better. Does it ever feel like he's a MERCRx'er? Miscommunications and misinterpretations?

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Well, I haven't experienced that yet, the MERC Rx. But his mercury is conjunct my venus, and my mercury is conjunct his saturn, MADHATTER, and widely his sun.

posted July 28, 2015 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
hehehehehehe

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posted July 28, 2015 06:40 AM            

his Madhatter 12°57 Aries
(his Eris 13°52 Aries - Eris is slow though of course)
my Alice 9°25 Aries
my Eris 12°40 Aries

While the conjunction between his Madhatter and my Alice is wide, I admit,

his Madhatter also quinkunx my Madhatter
12°08 Scorpio

and it aligns with our respective name asteroids in the composite

his Madhatter 12°57 Aries
c-Ceri 13°04 Aries
(and c Eris 13°16 Aries)
(c Pluto 15°14 Libra, MC-ruler)

my Madhatter 12°08 Scorpio
(c-Mr Sag 12°08 Scorpio - now if that is not close! )
(c-Uranus 12°23 Scorpio, ASC-ruler)

So seems like the 12 and 13 degree of Aries seem important, as well as 12 degrees of Scorpio (which is the antiscion of my Moon interestingly enough).

For Aries:
13° A BOMB WHICH FAILED TO EXPLODE IS NOW SAFELY CONCEALED.

Intangible fears of nascent selfhood: the creative stirring up of a new perspective and a new identity suddenly revealed.

14° A SERPENT ENCIRCLES A MAN AND WOMAN IN CLOSE EMBRACE.

Power of higher wisdom manifest in the bi-polar nature. Protection by the higher genius of Self. Fulfillment in truth.

and my Alice on 9 Aries
10° A SCHOLAR CREATES NEW FORMS FOR ANCIENT SYMBOLS.

Deep understanding, beyond normal means. Abstract seership, in­tegrating the inner and the outer. Interpretative gift.

and for the 12 Scorpio-lumping together
13° IN AN IMPROVISED LABORATORY AN INVENTOR IS NEAR SUCCESS.

Driving power toward achievement, as featured in all benefactors of mankind. Self-sufficient activity. Clever outwitting.
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posted July 28, 2015 09:44 AM            

I'm single but in synastry with those who've mattered to me (not many) :

1) my madhatter conjunct their uranus by 1, theirs trine my jupiter by 0. They have madhatter conjunct venus but by 3. There were strange time shifts which I'm thinking is uranus. For instance after we had not talked for some time he opened his email at a different base (which was a very appropriate location to this asteroid) and my emails appeared as new from a year before. Actually I wondered if that was a lie but he did sound genuinely confused by it and meanwhile I'd been trying to get him to contact me without actually doing anything.

posted July 28, 2015 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Coolest thread ever, Auby

I have Madhatter conj Sun (don't get any ideas, it's only 3 deg BUT exact parallel (0)) smack on Sun/Mars mdp, and aspecting everything...the most important aspect: a perfect triangle made of quincunx to Chiron + semisextile to Uranus.

hehehehehehe

he has Madhatter conj MC and Saturn (0) and SN sq his ASC and Sun (wider, but I ain't ignoring it) hohohoho aspecting everything as well

my Madhatter aspects everything in his chart, such as conj his ASC, Avx, sq his NN/IC

because

the Madhatters are in sq

his Madhatter does the same to me

composite Madhatter sextiles Vx exact, trines Neptune...it looks so benign awww

What can I say? we are crazy!...about each other

Let me be honest with you: we drive each other crazy!

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posted July 28, 2015 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Seeing as my boyfriend's got the 0° parallel in the 8H, I can say I know a bit about that!

What's your story, morning-glory?

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There's nothing to brag about.

I noticed that I have an exact quincunx between MH and Priapus. In my Madhatter persona Priapus and Alice are exactly conjunct and conjunct my natal Priapus rather closely even though the chart is 10-11 months ahead so there seems to be a pattern. Hm, actually, I have a natal yod with MH, LewisCarroll and Priapus as the apex if getting slightly above 1 deg isn't too much. I suppose that gives me potential for being a loony borderline genius with my MH opposition to Tesla, conjunction to the IC (from the 3rd) and an exact semisquare to the Sun.

There's also a connection to my Eros. An exact semisextile and parallel in the natal and an exact conjunction in the persona. If I get sexually active I don't see myself doing extreme sexual stuff (unless I happen to acquire the skill of advanced telekinesis lol) so I dunno, maybe it's about my general attitude towards romantic relationships (I can imagine it would weird out 90% of people).

I totally recommend checking personas and comparing them, including Alice. I got some spooky-yummy stuff.

Ceri, I checked our aspects and my MH is your 12th conjunct your Mars and yours is exactly sextile my ASC. Maybe it helps with picking up things about you in my dreams. Btw, did you know you were a genius? You have Tesla conjunct your Sun.

posted July 28, 2015 03:30 PM            

"Ceri, I checked our aspects and my MH is your 12th conjunct your Mars and yours is exactly sextile my ASC. Maybe it helps with picking up things about you in my dreams."
Yes, that could be. 12th is always good for that, and my Mars there of course.

" Btw, did you know you were a genius? You have Tesla conjunct your Sun."

To answer in my own Sag-Sun-in-1st-and-pr-Moon-inLeo-typical modesty:

Yes, I did know that.

About Tesla I mean, I once looked the asteroid up and was one of the pile of astroids on that strange degree a bit off my Sun. 27-28 Sag, right?
There were my REIKI, CIRCE, SEKHMET and who knows what else reside as well. All on that degree curiously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-wl2qqD7Y

posted July 28, 2015 03:52 PM            

Ok, end of OT.

posted July 28, 2015 05:17 PM            

So I guess you cannot help but love me.
But don`t worry, Iam worth it.

Tesla-MC? Cool!

Funny, my Tesla is conjunct his MC (and Sun and Moon). who gets electrocuted, him or me? Well me probably, as it is my Tesla in my chart.
His Tesla is conjunct his ARthur-Merlin-Casanova which falls onto my Guinevere-Spirit-Adelaide. LOL
(just in case you donīt know, Adelaide was the only woman Casanova apparently loved, and who left HIM)

posted July 29, 2015 04:08 AM            

Someone else's Madhatter conjunct my Saturn sextile their Sun, their Alice 1,5 deg opposite my Madhatter. Their Alice also parallel their own Sun. MH also square their own Venus, same aspect shared. Their Madhatter parallel my Antivertex and their own Pluto & SN. My Madhatter contraparallel their IC, Jupiter-Uranus conjunction & both our Cheshirecats.

Their draconic Madhatter looks to conjunct my Uranus + Union, trine Moon.

posted July 29, 2015 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

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Hahaha this is what my hubby does to me all the time. He calls it "crazy kisses". He just grabs me and kisses my face all over. We do a lot of mad stuff when we are around each other. Our Composite Asc is in Scorpio, and we are quite collected when we are around people. Once we are alone, we are MAD for each other

I'm not gonna mention all aspects, cause I'm just too lazy. Here are some:

My Madhatter conjunct his NN EXACT and his DC (2) (my Mars is there too haha)

posted July 29, 2015 10:10 AM            

Natally Madhatter in Virgo conjunct my 5th house, Aphrodite/Kaali

Synastry
His Madhatter square Sun
His Madhatter trine my Venus
His Madhatter conjunct my Vertex

My Madhatter sextile his Mercury/Pluto
My Madhatter square his Cupido and Pallas
My Madhatter trine his Uranus

Out of the suggested orb of 0-3 Double whammies
Madhatter/Valentine
Madhatter/Priapus
Madhatter/Cupido
Madhatter/Eros

Parallels/contraparallel

posted July 31, 2015 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
I would have madhatter with him.....

Natally Madhatter in Virgo conjunct my 5th house, Aphrodite/Kaali

Synastry
His Madhatter square Sun
His Madhatter trine my Venus
His Madhatter conjunct my Vertex

My Madhatter sextile his Mercury/Pluto
My Madhatter square his Cupido and Pallas
My Madhatter trine his Uranus

Out of the suggested orb of 0-3 Double whammies
Madhatter/Valentine
Madhatter/Priapus
Madhatter/Cupido
Madhatter/Eros

Parallels/contraparallel

Madhatter contraparallel Madhatter
His Juno contraparallel my Madhatter
My Mars contraparallel his Madhatter
My Vertex contraparallel his Madhatter

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posted July 31, 2015 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by mereiposa:
Well, I haven't experienced that yet, the MERC Rx. But his mercury is conjunct my venus, and my mercury is conjunct his saturn, MADHATTER, and widely his sun.

As for my MH, its on my own psyche. So I have begun to realize how my out of the box thinking, sometimes misunderstood by others, is coming from my soul. My deep intuition is definitely what leads me, and I have learned to accept that others will not understand, but it leads me well.

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Ahhh. So, it's definitely more of an intuitive and soul-based thing. For us, MADHATTER is also essentially a name asteroid, so the exact dual conjunctions of our MADHATTERs and PSYCHEs is deeply significant, though I've never quite interpreted it.

posted July 31, 2015 02:53 AM            

MADHATTER conjunct PSYCHE (0°)
PSYCHE conjunct MADHATTER (0°)

MADHATTER trine SUN (0°)
MADHATTER triseptile MOON (0°)
MADHATTER opposite VALENTINE (3°)
MADHATTER semisextile CHIRON (1°)
MADHATTER trine BML (2°)
MADHATTER trine SNODE (1°)

MADHATTER sextile SUN (3°)
MADHATTER septile MERCURY (0°)
MADHATTER trine CUPIDO (2°)
MADHATTER quindecile CHIRON (1°)
MADHATTER quincunx SATURN (1°)

Just a smattering. But it's an intriguing one.

posted July 31, 2015 08:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Ahhh. So, it's definitely more of an intuitive and soul-based thing. For us, MADHATTER is also essentially a name asteroid, so the exact dual conjunctions of our MADHATTERs and PSYCHEs is deeply significant, though I've never quite interpreted it.

So, unconventional thought processes stemming from a soul level. What do you think of PSYCHE as relating to psychological trauma (per Martha Lang-Wescott)?

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I haven't really looked into Psyche for psychological trauma. I do know I had a lot of psychological trauma to overcome, and still do. Some was passed on from previous generations, some my own. At this point in my life, I feel like it was a required rite of passage on my journey. For my personal mission in this life, I had to acquire these skills so I could help others in the future. That is my personal thought without having researched Lang-Westcott.

As for synastry, I notice eros and psyche are always prominent. Not necessarily together, but they always factor heavily into the synastry and composite charts. I usually have eros conjunct the nodes, and psyche on some angle. So this just confirms that passion and soul development are critical to my personal development, and the people in my life are here to bring me those lessons and further my development. And vice versa.

I have never looked at Madhatter until this thread! So this is a new piece in the puzzle.