posted August 02, 2015 11:01 AM            

It`s almost funny cause the nodal axis itself is about solar-lunar symbolism (you know the point when the way of the Moon intersects the ecliptic, as seen from earth, that is what defines the -lunar- Nodes).

posted August 02, 2015 11:21 AM            

my brohers Moon falls onto my NN, I think it is exact.
When he was being born, I was running around, alarming the neighbours (it was sunday morning btw) given them written announcements that my little brother had been born and adding: "My soulmate has finally arrived. And he`s going to contribute in saving the world."
I was 9 at that time, but I was convinced he was the second coming of Christ or something like that (I had read some gossip article before I suppose), or if not then he would be at least EXTREMELY important.

It was a bit weird actually.

posted August 02, 2015 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Have you ever met a person with a luminary on each of your nodes?

How did it go?

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Not directly, but my Huber Sun is 1 conjunct someone's SN and Huber Moon 1 conjunct their NN. Meaning: draconic Sun & Moon have their antiscia the other way around, dSun to regular NN and dMoon to SN. Whichever way around you prefer to use those is up to you.

I consider it more or less relevant because my SN is conjunct their Sun and their draconic Sun exactly conjunct my Sun (and thus ~2 opposite my Moon). Their Huber Sun is on the spot of my sidereal NN as well, but again I wouldn't have a clue how much it adds to the natal SN-Sun, if anything. Just another way of putting it maybe, but I don't know if everybody's sidereal position would hit things like that. Our nodes and charts just do something underneath the obvious.

And "of course" their Huber Moon is conjunct my draconic Sun. No idea how or why, but our draco Suns are opposite and contrascia the other's Moon. His draconic Moon is 1 conjunct his SN, hence the interconnectedness there.

Antiscia of sidereal charts seems pushing things, for example, but my sidereal Sun is also the antiscia degree of his natal Sun and same in reverse. His sidereal Sun = antiscia of his draconic Sun, so no idea if it's just mathematical or if it's a bit more weird our Suns, nodes and sidereal positions do all the dancing around each other.

Their sidereal Moon is also on my Moon's degree, so 2 opposite my Sun, if Aubyanne's suggestion of looking at sidereal contacts counts. There's an affinity or a "I know you, you dork" style "Aww, bless you" feeling of something from my end for the time being. We're quite different but have interests in common and going by the weird similarity or echoing in the underlying contacts, might even tag us as past brothers and sisters, or other long past relations, perhaps lovers or past friends, one way or another. "Not the first time around the block" type of a thing, and learning from each other this time around as well, although more from afar for now?

It hasn't exactly gone as opposed to possibly going some day, no idea where, some friendship perhaps for a convenient start. But I did find it extremely funny that after basically no contact at all, his body language in photos was aligned toward me and he got in close, in contrast to several other people he'd likewise only just met but didn't turn directly toward. There are photos of me and then someone he knew a bit more so and we're the only people he's facing or turned toward in photos, and as said, he'd basically only just met me and swapped a few words. I don't know what I did, but I did something right and was subconsciously instantly okayed for being let inside his "sphere" and for his getting (physically) close to me. And I doubt I'm his looks-type or anything. Funny. But welcome, sure.

posted August 02, 2015 02:29 PM            

Have you posted his chart with relevant asteroids, for that story?

He and I have a lot of conjunctions perhaps...I wonder if I can bring people back from the dead, too.

posted August 02, 2015 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Not directly, but my Huber Sun is 1 conjunct someone's SN and Huber Moon 1 conjunct their NN. Meaning: draconic Sun & Moon have their antiscia the other way around, dSun to regular NN and dMoon to SN. Whichever way around you prefer to use those is up to you.

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*whistling sound, as this flies over my head.*

I guess I'd need more data, to comprehend it.

Slowing down and backing up, I remember your sun and moon are roughly opposed, right? But out of sign. So you would be one who could experience this as the sun-moon person...

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Originally posted by Keela:
No idea how or why, but our draco Suns are opposite and contrascia the other's Moon.

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Pretty wild.

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Originally posted by Keela:
But I did find it extremely funny that after basically no contact at all, his body language in photos was aligned toward me and he got in close

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posted August 02, 2015 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Keela Thanks for answering.

*whistling sound, as this flies over my head.*

I guess I'd need more data, to comprehend it.

Slowing down and backing up, I remember your sun and moon are roughly opposed, right? But out of sign. So you would be one who could experience this as the sun-moon person...

Pretty wild.

quote:Originally posted by Keela:
"But I did find it extremely funny that after basically no contact at all, his body language in photos was aligned toward me and he got in close"

I agree that body language says a ton.

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28.20 Leo Sun, Moon 0.36 (I think, 0.30ish) Pisces so about 2 degrees opposite.

I'm the Sun-Moon, yes, but there's also their Sun with my SN and then whatever else the rest may or may not amount to. It's mostly Aubyanne discussing the Huber chart degrees and sidereal compared to other charts (which I recall being a no-no to some others, but admit that there are interesting degree hits or "coincidences"/synchronicity if you compare all the different charts against each other) and the main way I remember how to get the degrees is just that it's contrascia spots from the draconic chart. There's more, but for my quick memory refresher that's the one I fall back on.

As I recall, she's raved about regular Nodes lining up with Huber Nodes (synastry) in her case. Ceri posted about Huber charts at some stage as well but other than synastry comparisons I'm not sure what I'd have gotten out of them for the time being since don't know enough yet.

They're an option at Astrodienst if you pick from the long list of charts available, but reading them was backwards or counterintuitive without knowing how, since it tied to the house positions or something - hence my just going via the draco-contrascia route. They were somewhat interesting in this particular case though, since aside my having my DC parallel the man's Valentine as it is, his Huber chart Valentine was smack bang conjunct my DC, so obviously I'd be interested in the ~12 degree "shift" near my DC. ;P

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My drac Sun 2.11 Cap, dMoon 4.28 Can
Their NN 26.47 Sag, so antiscion ~3.12 Cap
His drac Moon 28.10 Gem, 'scia ~1.49 Can

Sun+ drac Sun 28.20 & 28.58 Leo, his closer to my Moon
Sun sext his drac Moon & my drac Moon septile his dSun

I couldn't say if it's wild or not, but while the natal/tropical layer is a bit unimpressive on its own if you ask me (the composite has big patterns though), the rest suddenly flares up big time underneath it all. There is that "Oh, hi, I do know you or we respond a bit better despite everything, don't we?" level. "Everything" being just square otherwise. Seriously. Who told us to have Suns, Mercurys, Jupiters and ASCs all square the other? Well, we, I guess, but did we have to? Claaaash difference central. And I realize people say ASCs square is supposed to be a good thing, but I'm not sure how it really works personally.

I'm glad the body language thing happened, because we probably miscommunicated verbally or threw each other off otherwise with whatever we did. Unspoken expectations of the other doing this or that and then being thrown by something they did or said and not precisely knowing what to do with that since there wasn't that much time to get more used to the differences or how the other communicated, or what the expectations or wants really were. I got the impression he sort of expected me to move in as he had at one stage (which would've had us basically 10-15cm away from the other's face if facing him directly myself as well, that being a bit intimate to me when suddenly thrown in somewhere like that. Heck, he WAS some 10-15cm away from my face from the side at some stages at least, so as said, whoa there close when we basically only really met a moment earlier), but I was trying to be "correct" and not push myself forward or anything, so ended up being the stiff as a post one instead. Did like the way his face also lit up when seeing me later though, but the squares would definitely need more time in a lot less crowded setting to get past any hurdles and hitches. And my Saturn (square his Venus, sextile Sun, trine Moon, conjunct Uranus-Jupiter) to relax for me to be able to laugh as well, as realized later likewise.

I'm assuming that the dracos and the rest were the subconscious thing that still (apparently instantly) worked for him for whatever affinity to get close and relate despite the square-storm raining on the parade otherwise. Hence replying to this, because the nodal mishmash and interconnectedness as well as the luminaries in it seemed the beacon of "This way, a big green light here" at work. If it was that, and this only through the "draconic/Huber to natals" level, I can only imagine a both ways tropical layer contact works even better. Whatever the heck it is that it's actually doing. Care to elaborate?

posted August 02, 2015 05:10 PM            

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It's mostly Aubyanne discussing the Huber chart degrees and sidereal compared to other charts (which I recall being a no-no to some others, but admit that there are interesting degree hits or "coincidences"/synchronicity if you compare all the different charts against each other) and the main way I remember how to get the degrees is just that it's contrascia spots from the draconic chart.

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Just in your case or as a general rule?

I'm lost and not sure if I'm anywhere close to being found. I forget what contrascia are.

Research tidbit:

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This technique may appear to have dropped from favour in later tradition, but in fact it gives us the contra-antiscia, which Lilly tells us to find by simply looking for the point in opposition to the antiscia. This is correct because the reflection of a degree across the equinoctial axis lies opposite to that which reflects across the tropical axis. The diagram below demonstrates this:

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http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html

My draconic sun 25 Taurus
-> antiscia 5 Leo
-> contrascia 5 Aquarius

Huber House sun is around 5 Virgo
Sidereal sun 21 Sag

Nothing is matching here. But I see how it would in your case.

Anyway, sounds very intriguing, what's going on with this fellow...

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I'm glad the body language thing happened, because we probably miscommunicated verbally or threw each other off otherwise with whatever we did. Unspoken expectations of the other doing this or that and then being thrown by something they did or said and not precisely knowing what to do with that since there wasn't that much time to get more used to the differences or how the other communicated, or what the expectations or wants were.

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posted August 02, 2015 05:18 PM            

I've known her for years, we hit it off immediately and used to hang out once in a while, but our lives go two separate ways, and we lost contact for about four years.

I just got together with her again and she's made a lot of changes in her life. Basically she has evolved a great deal, divorced her husband whose sun is conjunct her moon (and my south node) and maybe that's what's freeing her up to express more of her sun.

Anyway she is like a godsend.

I feel like all these doors are shut in my life, so to speak. And she seems to know how to fling all the doors open like it's nothing, and offers to walk me through. Like everything is SO EASY and MAKES SENSE when she's there.

posted August 02, 2015 06:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My draconic sun 25 Taurus
-> antiscia 5 Leo
-> contrascia 5 Aquarius

Huber House sun is around 5 Virgo
Sidereal sun 21 Sag

Nothing is matching here. But I see how it would in your case.

Anyway, sounds very intriguing, what's going on with this fellow...

*Nods* I've seen that with draconics before. You barely know what you're dealing with before you're expected to act on it...like interpreting between two layers of reality at once or something. (?)

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The contrascia are just the opposite spot of the antiscia, but yes, you need to know how to get those first as well. I personally get those by substracting from 29 as the last degree is left for the minutes on top. So in your case, 25 Taurus draco Sun (the guy's Sun, btw, my SN 26.09 Tau ) and its antiscion I'd get via 29-25 = 4 Leo, and the remaining minutes substracted from 59 (again, could be 60 but theoretically leaving room for seconds likewise) for 4.xx Leo.

"27 Gemini/third house for my Sun in the Huber Nodes chart"

2 Cap drac Sun, antiscion 27 Sag, contrascion 27 Gemini. Gemini for third house, which is what I THINK the chart seemed to show, too, no matter how awkwardly backwards it looked to run to me. The signs like Leo were to be ignored instead of just looking at the houses, the third one then translating into Gemini, or something. I don't remember half how it went now, just that the draconic contrascia worked.

If your draco Sun's contrascia is ~4-5ish Aquarius, that'd be the 11th house in the Huber nodes chart, I assume. Get it from the house, not the sign? The sidereals have nothing to do with it really, they just do the weird loops with my example charts otherwise. I look at the picture of my Huber Nodes chart on Astrodienst even now though and without knowing better it still just looks as if it was 2 or 28 degrees Capricorn, since I still can't fully say for sure which way the degrees run in the picture because it's f'n confusing. The house symbol for 3 gets me the Gemini.

"Anyway, sounds very intriguing, what's going on with this fellow..."

posted August 02, 2015 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My NN is exactly conjunct my friend's sun.
My SN is tightly conjunct her moon-Saturn.

I've known her for years, we hit it off immediately and used to hang out once in a while, but our lives go two separate ways, and we lost contact for about four years.

I just got together with her again and she's made a lot of changes in her life. Basically she has evolved a great deal, divorced her husband whose sun is conjunct her moon (and my south node) and maybe that's what's freeing her up to express more of her sun.

Anyway she is like a godsend.

I feel like all these doors are shut in my life, so to speak. And she seems to know how to fling all the doors open like it's nothing, and offers to walk me through. Like everything is SO EASY and MAKES SENSE when she's there.

It's like going through life listening to people through static and then suddenly the static is off and you can actually hear another person loud and clear.

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posted August 02, 2015 07:21 PM            

I should have said that my sun & moon are trine/sextile my nodes so there is extra compatibility worked into my synastry with my friend. We have sun trine moon DW.

I need to read your longer post above more thoroughly, research & respond. Be back later for that.

@Ceri ~ Whoa, loads of conjunctions between myself and your brother! Thanks for posting the chart! Though, the one thing I was curious about, a possible Mercury conjunct Mercury, is not there after all. Same signs, different extremes of it.

His Sag moon-Jupiter-Uranus is probably the life giver and of course, I have no such thing.

posted August 03, 2015 05:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
That's so nice! Good luck to you both!

I should have said that my sun & moon are trine/sextile my nodes so there is extra compatibility worked into my synastry with my friend. We have sun trine moon DW.

I need to read your longer post above more thoroughly, research & respond. Be back later for that.

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Having just tried to decipher what the degrees for the Huber Houses system stuff would be, want to just give that one the finger, since have a huge 5&11H and thus supposedly deciphering where even 10 and 20 degree lines inside it run for whatever such purposes looks obnoxious. If that was how you got whatever out of them, as said. Huber Nodes at least seemed to be via the draconic contrascia, no idea how the rest work if trying to glean the info out of the chart drawings. It's as if the most counterintuitive or "WTH SQUINT" style thing ever, if I'm even doing it right. Almost makes you want to do maths to figure out the exact position/s of something instead.

This way it's as if I had an 8H Moon possibly around 8 degrees of it, which'd presumably echo as an ~8 degree "Scorpio" Moon, which in this case hits the tropical DC of the person referred to up there, but as if I could tell for sure. Their Huber houses Moon LOOKS to fall near ~25 11H/Aquarius, so it'd oppose my regular Sun, IF that was how things worked at all, same as their H.H. North Node seemingly falling around 23-ish degrees 8H/Scorpio, meaning it's near my regular NN likewise, but the way the charts are so incomprehensibly confusing and inaccurate, as if I can squint anything close enough from the different ones. All of which is why I just want to focus on the Huber Nodes stuff, which can at least get without having to look at their charts.

Okay, fine, LOOKED as if my 2H (Huber House,HH) Venus was around 19-20 degs of it and that the guy's Mars was at a similar spot in his 2H hh, so we'd get a "click" or whatever Ceri said they call them in that system, but since just looking at the charts is so complicated, by this stage want to half punch the Huber houses chart drawings in the face. Figuratively speaking.

And I can't in my current tired state tell if there's a mathematical or logical reason why our natal level quintile and semiquintile aspects between our Venus and Mars, DW of the same aspect, seems to turn into a Huber Houses "conjunction"/click at least one way around. Just that it's exhausting trying to look at the damn things.

posted August 03, 2015 08:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
but since just looking at the charts is so complicated, by this stage want to half punch the Huber houses chart drawings in the face. Figuratively speaking.

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Why donīt you take the easy route, honey, and just look at the additional files? They list the housedegrees there.

So you make a Huber house chart, click on additional tables.

if it opens you see several columns, the first with the degrees of the planets, but then there is also a column where it sais: HOUSE DEGREES.

That is where your planets are in the house chart.

Huber uses Koch houses exclusively, so it will be the default housesystem, but you can of course change it to any system you want.

posted August 03, 2015 08:12 AM            

However even that we can make simple, it is always the contrascia of the Draconic planet.

So my Moon in the Draco chart is on 7 Gemini;
For the contrascion we have to take the reminder to 30°, so we know the contrascion will be on 23° of any sign.
The contrascion sign for Gemini is Capricorn, hence 23° Capricorn or 23° in 10th house of Huber nodes chart.

Other example.

My Draconic Sun is 16 Aries, so we know the contrascion would be on 14 degree. (because 16+ 14 = 30°)
Contrascion sign of Aries is Pisces, which equals the 12th house in Huber nodes chart.

So Huber nodes Sun on 14 degree of 12th house.

posted August 03, 2015 08:15 AM            

that Moon-Jupiter-Uranus-conjunction is quite a talkative one, I can tell you. lol
Philosophizing all day long.

Well it falls onto my Neptune-NN-conjunction and also conjuncts my ASC, so there is probably a mutual activation.
Add to that my Sun-Mercury falling onto his MC, and my Jupiter on his Sun, in my 3rd house (well he is my brother. lol)
My other brother has Venus nearby there (my other brother is actually almost an astrotwin of Orlando Bloom, just 2 days later, but they share even the same ASC, and in conjunction).

posted August 03, 2015 09:57 AM            

WTF

I'm just kidding. All of that is no concern at all because I have Venus trine Saturn and only fall in love with extreme care, never sloppy-like.

And I didn't know your other brother is a Capricorn! Is he bossy like us?

posted August 03, 2015 10:18 AM            

Progress of Age Point for 72 Years?

Not what I expected to see.

But let me try to follow you Ceri.

Ohhhhhh yes I am seeing that!

Draco sun 25 Taurus
Antiscia 5 Leo
Contrascia 5 Aqua

And there it is in the nodes chart! My sun is four notches past the 11H cusp.

I see they've got my NN around 20 Leo, so this chart is based off a nodal axis that squares the tropical NN? I just don't get why the angles are where they are, unless they were designed just so we could pull the draconic-antiscia-contrascia trick we did here.

posted August 03, 2015 10:51 AM            

"I'd probably fall in love with him,"
I thought that, too. Well not, love, but thought this would be interesting, with his Sun on your Moon and his MOon on your Venus in particular (and all the other outer stuff).

"or heaven's sake his Ceres is on my Eros?
WTF"
Haha, the same as I have with Mr Sag, just the other way round, his Eros on my Ceres.

I find it also.... interesting that my brother`s and Mr Sag`s ASC are flat on the same degree, just very few minutes from each other. lol

"I'm just kidding. All of that is no concern at all because I have Venus trine Saturn and only fall in love with extreme care, never sloppy-like. "
LOL
Just you wait!

Well, my brother is totally in love with his girlfriend (though he would not admit it openly), I find it interesting that she has a fullmoon in her chart.
Sun on 26 Pisces and Moon on 24 Virgo
And this of course overlais his ASC-DESC-axis. Not quite the nodal axis, but I find that very significant.

In fact his Moon (and Jupiter-Uranus) falls onto her SN on 9 Sagittarius (which means more triggering of my NN. lol)

In terms of my brother and me, well I find it interesting that we both have the Atlantis-connection.

in my chart:
Atlantis conjunct Neptune conjunct NN conjunct ASC
Sagittarius

in his chart:
Atlantis conjunct NN conjunct IC opposite Neptune
Gemini/Cancer cusp and of course Sag

But it is a family thing

Dad:
Atlantis conjunct Saturn conjunct ASC
Virgo

Mum:
Atlantis conjunct DESC opposite Uranus
Capricoorn - Cancer

middle brother:
not as clear cut but

Neptune conjunct MC, square Atlantis
Sagittarius - Virgo

We all have Atlantis somehow connected to an angle, and to an outer planet, and funny enough for us three children, the same outer planet, Neptune.

So if you put Saturn and Uranus together you get Neptune?

I just found that quite interesting to find it in all 5 of us.

BTW my brother`s gf has Atlantis exact on her Moon and my brother`s DESC.

Anyway for it is just for my youngest brother and me that this is so strongly tied to our nodal axis.

Actually the pattern is even larger as it involves Varuna as well. lol

For me:
Varuna on DESC opposite Atlantis (2)
Varuna also conj. Dr Moon exact

for my youngest brother:
Varuna square Sun (1)

for my middle brother:
Varuna widely conjunct IC (4)

my Dad:
Varuna conjunt Moon and BML (1)

my Mum:
Varuna opposite Sun (1)

well we have water-karma.

" he bossy like us?"
Stubborn like a mule!
If he does not want to move, noone can make him!

Well, he has the Down syndrome, maybe that adds to his stubbornness. lol

"Orlando Bloom always, always looks sad to me, even when he's smiling. I hope your brother isn't in that same climate."
Sometimes he is, comes with the Scorpio-Moon I suppose and of course Mercury, Mars and Sun in Capricorn and Venus in Pisces, it is just too much of the Yin-energy.

He has become better though, and IF he smiles, it`s like the sunrise. I mean for real, he can switch on a smile (for photographs for example) and it looks so genuine, out of nothing. Amazing.

God I miss him, he is on holiday with a group at the moment, but he`s going to come back on saturday.

Well he has an exact DNA-Angel-conjunction in Aries and it falls right onto my IC.

my other brother has DNA conjunct Kaali in Libra.

It is funny we seem to share this DNA-axis of Aries-Libra, as my own DNA is in Libra as well.

It doesn`t come from my parents though, Mum`s DNA in Capricorn, Dad`s DNA in Virgo.

posted August 03, 2015 10:55 AM            

in huber nodes chart, the signs are in the reverse order, you noticed that?

only the houses run into the usual order.

posted August 03, 2015 11:57 AM            

And your other brother...YEP Cappy is stubborn! But I'm so glad his smile apparently lights up the room...hope he's having a good time on his trip.

I don't know the first thing about Varuna and need to investigate Atlantis. That's phenomenal, how Atlantis shows up in your family.

So here's my Huber Nodes Chart with my "rectified" birth time (home-cooked so the ASC matches hubby's sun, along with some other considerations.)

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in huber nodes chart, the signs are in the reverse order, you noticed that?

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Reverse order from what?