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posted August 03, 2015 01:15 AM            

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Edit: This thread could simply be an exploration of the significance of the Nodal axis in composite charts. So far it contains a copy/paste from Steven and Jodie Forrest's "Skymates 2" about composite North Node in the 7th house, and also their writings about composite North Node in Taurus. For reference. I would be happy to copy/paste more from this book for you all if you tell me your composite North Node sign/house placements. I really find the composite North Node fascinating.. interested to hear your opinions.

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Composite South Node conjunct Ascendant, and chart ruler Pluto, in Scorpio. Trine Jupiter-Ceres, Trine Juno...

North Node in Taurus on the cusp of the 7th, at the arrowhead of a Kite formed by sextiles to Juno and Jupiter/Ceres, and the opposition to the South Node/Ascendant/Pluto combo...

What do you think? Sometimes I feel like that Scorpio South Node is just too much... Then I remember the Kite. Am I right in thinking the North Node is the direction of that kite? I'm still learning. my friend says the opposition to that sextiled point is the fuel/energy pulling the arrow back to let it fly... Pretty potent stuff if that's the case here. recurring crazyness!

That point--the composite North Node/descendant-- also conjuncts each of our individual deacendants, and his natal Juno (because our Ascendants are conjunct).

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posted August 03, 2015 10:37 AM            

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SN on Asc is heavy.

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posted August 03, 2015 11:08 AM            

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Ya... especially in Scorpio.

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posted August 03, 2015 11:17 AM            

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Edited out the chart...

Thanks ya'll for lookin. I feel kinda sheepish posting a thread in the middle of my thought (the space between the stressin about the heavy South node and remembering the force of the North)

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posted August 03, 2015 11:18 AM            

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I <3 Diana

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posted August 03, 2015 11:37 AM            

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i have this one too. still struggling to find out the meaning of nn on dsc.

i got a dw sn-asc in synastry too.

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posted August 03, 2015 11:38 AM            

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I have the Skymates 2 e-book and shall copy and paste the description for NN in the 7th of you like... One moment.

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posted August 03, 2015 11:42 AM            

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"COMPOSITE SOUTH NODE IN THE FIRST HOUSE (Composite North Node in the Seventh House) Freedom: we all value it— and dread its constant companion, which is uncertainty. In every truly free situation, we must make choices. Sometimes we’re free to choose between pleasant, positive courses. Other times, we’re between a rock and hard place. Most of the time, we have no idea what kind of outcomes our choices will bring. Will marriage bring joy or sorrow? What about having a baby? Or moving to the coast? With the composite South Node in the first house, these two have felt the weight of that kind of freedom over and over again. When they have been together in prior lifetimes, they have typically faced circumstances that demanded decisive action. They’ve hardened themselves to burn their bridges behind them. Very often, their choices have affected not only themselves, but also the lives of others. First house energy correlates with leadership—and while leaders often appear to be clear and certain, their inner reality is often far shakier: they must make life-shaping decisions without any way of knowing if they are right or wrong. This has created a self-contained, inscrutable quality in this couple, as if no one outside themselves can see their inner processes with any clarity. They can be impressive and radiant together, yet elusive. Choosing— or not choosing— a mate is one of our ultimate, inalienable human freedoms. Once the hormonal veil of falling in love begins to lift, we recognize that, in loving, we give up a lot of precious freedom. With their composite South Node in the first house, these two have often come to that crossroads—and chosen to go down separate roads. They’ve been too strong to surrender to each other. Their prior life conditioning had pumped so much energy into their natural authority and their compulsion to take personal responsibility that the delicate interpersonal balancing act of partnership was incomprehensible to them. With this nodal configuration, it is even quite possible that these two have been rivals, enemies or competitors in previous lifetimes. If so, we will see plenty of evidence for that tension in the present lifetime as well. Their composite North Node lies in the seventh house, the traditional house of marriage. While it would be dogmatic to say that they must marry in this lifetime, it is fair to recognize that their evolutionary intention lies in the direction of partnership and cooperation. Countering that intention is the weight of the karmic pattern, pulling them toward self-sufficiency and clueless isolation. These two need to learn to listen to each other, to depend on each other and to surrender to each other. The core evolutionary issues between them are trust and commitment. The great Intelligence of the universe has provided them with a set of dreams and desires which they can only fulfill together. Each one has talents and skills the other one lacks. Each holds half of the treasure map. Only by seeing through each other’s eyes and listening through each other’s ears can they do what they’ve come into this world to do."

They're so dramatic (Steven + Jodie Forrest, the authors)!

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posted August 03, 2015 12:11 PM            

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and accurate! wow. that's the most comprehensive description i've read. thank you

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posted August 03, 2015 12:15 PM            

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No problemo. I knew there were others out there like me and that one day I would share it

It does ring true for you eh? I really resonate with parts of it; we were too strong in the past to surrender, and it's of ultimate benefit to both of us to do so now, to learn cooperate... Trust and commitment being keywords... And keys to real happiness (the Taurus NN is so nice too, their description for it--where is yours by sign? I could copy and paste for you more).

It is interesting you also have the double whammy, because in a way so do we, given the conjuction from the composite to our respective natals...

Our NN could of course also be interpreted in the 6th...

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posted August 03, 2015 12:24 PM            

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But reading their description of SN in the 12th I really don't feel like it is talking about us as much as the 1st/7th, and I'm pretty sure when something is so close to a house cusp, especially Asc/Dsc or MC/IC it's interpreted as being in that house.

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posted August 03, 2015 12:36 PM            

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"COMPOSITE SOUTH NODE IN SCORPIO (Composite North Node in Taurus) There are parts of life that can make our blood freeze in our veins: human depravity and incomprehensible human suffering. A child in fearful agony. Dreadful bodily dysfunction. Sadistic violence. A person’s state of mind one minute before jumping in front of a train. None of us want to get very close to those places, but sometimes, unbidden, they get close to us. Terrible, dark events do happen, and when they do, they leave marks on the souls that experience them. The couple with the composite South Node in the sign of the scorpion has known such extremity . One possible response to such experience is to become numb, but Scorpio does not symbolize those kinds of dissociative responses. They lie more in the dark side of the Aquarian vein. Here, we see the imagery of the heart as an open wound, shocked and dumbfounded, but still taking in the nightmarish perceptions. There is an atmosphere of seriousness here, and a corresponding vulnerability to loss of perspective, gloom, and suspicion, especially regarding the lighter, more playful dimensions of human experience. There is also wisdom and, potentially, compassion.

The key here, from the evolutionary point of view, lies in recognizing that souls often evolve rapidly when faced with extreme hardship. A couple captured and chained on a slave ship, even one that sinks en route, may learn more about life and themselves in a year than a more fortunate couple learns in a safe lifetime together. Still, such a path of soul-growth obviously entails serious wear and tear on the attitude, and the persistent scars that tragedy always leaves in its wake. Taking it one step further, we must recognize the fascination that the dark side of life exercises upon our psyches. A quick perusal of what’s playing at your local movie houses will quickly confirm the existence of this weird , ambivalent attraction. Strange as it may seem, the very realities we most fear seem to pull at us the most. Along with the wear and tear, it is this attachment to heaviness that constitutes the deepest obstacle for the couple with the composite South Node in Scorpio. The gravitational field of their unresolved karmic wounds pulls them into ever deeper waters— even when the higher path is a simple, pleasant stroll along the beach. And that brings us to their composite North Node, which lies in Taurus. Here the evolutionary emphasis lies in the area of calming down— of getting over the processes
that brought them to their present state of agitated, psychologically complex wisdom. As always with the North Node, the work is challenging, and it goes against the natural grain. These two have come together to comfort each other. In earthy Taurus fashion, that comfort must be concrete— a timely hug rather than a pithy insight. A bath and nap, not a serious talk. This couple benefits a lot from living away from a city, if possible, or at least in getting out of town as often as they can. Animals have a lot to teach them; it would be good for them to have a cat or a dog, with the homey comforts these creatures imply. They need to move their relationship toward a simple, instinctual acceptance of each other. We hear so much about how complex relating is; however, for two people with the composite South Node in Scorpio, that’s the last notion they need to emphasize. What they need is more the idea that life is easier with a partner, and that of course we humans are happier with a mate than without one! That last line may not apply to everyone on the planet, but for these two it conveys the right attitude. Calm, naturalness, and a return to the senses are the path forward."

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posted August 03, 2015 01:03 PM            

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lovely! so it all works out in the end. now if we can just work round this slight commitment phobia we'd be good.

yes our comp asc is in scorpio. we also have pluto conjunct the asc/sn.

my south node is on his scorpio asc natally. interested to read the 12th house interp aswell if poss, although i do agree that being that close to cusp would bring it into the next house.

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posted August 03, 2015 01:15 PM            

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whoa we really do have a lot in common...!! ok coming right up...

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"COMPOSITE SOUTH NODE IN THE TWELFTH HOUSE (Composite North Node in the Sixth House) Terrible loss and soul-growth: so often, they are a matched set. A marriage ends, a career collapses, our doctor proffers ominous news—and we turn to Spirit. The change can be completely authentic . Hospices are often full of luminous eyes. With their composite South Node in the twelfth house, this couple has known loss and grief in a prior lifetime together. They have probably also forged a bond rooted in deep, shared spirituality. A close consideration of the sign of the South Node, along with the planets ruling it or in aspect to it, can fill in the details of the story. Just knowing that the moon’s South Node lies in the twelfth is enough to invoke imagery of bereavement, imprisonment, wasting illness, and the loss of whatever gave these two joy in a prior lifetime. It is also consistent with the notion that they “met in a monastery or a convent,” or in the context of some mystical institution— a mystery school or a secret society, for example. Clearly, as this world became emotionally unacceptable to them, they put their faith in the next world. Much that is rich and inspiring flows from this fountain of tragedy . The connection between these two people is profound. Still, with the South Node, our focus must always be on the issues left unresolved from the prior lifetime and on the ways those issues might interfere with the actual soul-contract in the present life. “Loss of self” haunts this couple. Easily, they can fail to claim the outward, existential supports of simple happiness, instead losing themselves in their inner lives. They could disappear into their imaginations, feeding them with endless film or reading. They could dissolve into escapist spiritual practice. The underlying soul-memories of pain can trigger a dependency on alcohol or drugs. They can move through their lives like grieving ghosts. With their composite North Node in the sixth house, the soul -contract between these two people involves coming back into their bodies. The sixth has much to do with health and the physical realities of life. Exercising together is helpful. So is making a happy ritual out of their meals together. Even more helpful is touch; these two need simply to hold each other. The sixth house is also about service and our need to feel competent and useful to others. With their North Node there, this couple’s soul -contract involves giving a gift to the world. Despite their shared pain, they also carry real wisdom. Certainly, in a prior lifetime, they at least began to integrate the lessons of unthinkable loss. Probably, in response to that pain, they found true teachers. They were given guidance, both from human sources and spiritual ones . They carry something precious inside them : an understanding of life, and very likely the karmic memory of specific spiritual practices and perspectives. Thus, along with their hurt, there is gratitude— and that gratitude naturally wants to express itself as generosity toward other people. Their pain wants to abandon this world, while their gratitude wants to serve it. Their shared evolution in this lifetime depends completely upon tilting the balance of those two conflicting emotions toward service."

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posted August 03, 2015 01:19 PM            

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Natally I have South Node in Virgo and North Node in Pisces which might be part of why this feels backwards and upside down to me I really resonate more with the 7th house composite NN description for us, and not only because I want it to be so :P

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posted August 03, 2015 02:37 PM            

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Yun, pick up this book at your earliest convenience:

'Cosmic Love' by Jan Spiller.

I actually just NOW got to read the nodal overlays, and OH MY. Spot-on.

We have a dual 8H/NNODE overlay, and it really, really shows. Everything is pulling us from 'me' and I' to 'we'.

I think you might really benefit from it in both a synastry sense, as well as composite.

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posted August 04, 2015 09:08 AM            

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thanks a lot. can relate to 12h interp aswell but im 6h heavy natally. agree that 7h is a better fit. pluto on asc opposes moon in 7. some trends of abandonment, i think. going for a past life regression this weekend. i have a rough idea of what might come up.

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posted August 04, 2015 10:20 AM            

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Aubyanne, I looove Jan Spiller ♡♡♡ but haven't read that one. I will seek it out!

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posted July 04, 2016 09:27 PM            

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Hi Yungang,
Just found this thread.
I've met someone where the composite SN is conjunct Asc quincunx Chiron, and both Moon and NN are on the Dsc. Have posted the chart below. Any thoughts please?

Also wondered how it panned out for you.

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posted July 08, 2016 06:16 PM            

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Hi there,

I'm sorry I didn't see this, I don't have the internet at home right now (am very happy as a result, as usual--my smart phone jumped out of the back of my car and smashed itself! yay!)

It didn't work out at all with that guy... it was for such a wide variety of reasons though.. your chart is very interesting becasuse it has the Moon on the North Node. I was recently reading in Pat Geisler's book "The Plain Vanilla Astrologer" that Moon/Node conjunctions give an individual some kind of notoriety or fame, at least intermittent features in the newspaper for little things... curious whether your relationship might develop a theme like that at some point because now I want to test out her observation/assertion...

That's all I've been able to note so far in this chart because I skipped right to the comment box here...

I can say that I don't have high hopes for Ascendant/South Node conjunctions; the first reply summed it up kinda well as being "heavy," which was compounded by his natal Saturn being conjunct the composite Asc/South Node.

My present relationship has the same composite nodes (2 degrees different) as this one I've referenced in this thread (with my ex we had ascendants conjunct). The nodes themselves are nearly teh same because they were both born in 83... so the composite South Node doesn't fall on the composite ascendant... but it does still fall on MY ascendant, and his North Node is in my 8th house again. Annnd his Saturn is even tighter on my ascendant.

There's a theme for a reason

Anyway, I'm rambling pretty hard here. I'll go quick and take another look at the chart you shared here. Wishing you all the best. In honesty, the presence of a planet on the North Node in the composite I think would dramatically change the reading I would give of a South Node-Ascendant conjunction...

I believe it karmically must have to do with dissolving patterns of giving over importance to self expression and learning to understand the importance of relating. This has been true of both relationships whose composite SN has been conjunct my personal ascendant. They have taught me the importance of considering how I RELATE to the other and the essence of "otherness," moreso than anything about my personal self, which has certainly been minimized in both cases on a lot of levels... but not to my detriment. I don't believe Asc-SN contacts are BAD. I do think they lend themselves to a necessary selflessness....

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posted July 08, 2016 06:17 PM            

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Think about the symbolism of a Draconic chart vs. a reversed draconic chart, because that is the same as this, in terms of house symbolism the ascendant is like 0 Aries and the descendant is like 0 Libra. Your relationship's growth and expansion and newness and inspiration and fearfulness and everything are oriented toward the Libran house cusp...

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posted July 08, 2016 06:22 PM            

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Wow ok just let my eyes slide down to that grouping of everything around the IC, and the Mars-Juno conjunction.

Very impressive, and very potent, and probably incredibly intense, with a lot of urge towards devotion which is also met by the dissolving effects of Neptune...

Somehow that dissolving factor was present in my relationship which is referenced in this thread too... somehow Neptune reared its head and made it clear to me that EVERYTHING was NOTHING except for that little scrap of SOMETHING which still exists under the façade of daily reality... this seems illustrated to me by the Saturn-Neptune-IC conjunction. The Sun so near the Saturn-Venus midpoint could indicate an extremely serious relationship or one which has an incredible amount of difficulty ever getting off the ground... It could of course be both--or something else... but you get what I'm saying there? At the same time, given that they are all so close to being conjunct one another my reading of the midpoint would change somewhat. I know that with a Saturn-Sun-Venus stellium in a composite there is going to be a lot of re-assessment in terms of what the relationship means, how we can commit to it, and probably some overcautious behavior on somebody's part, especially the person who identifies most with Saturn (often a man or father figure). At least I think this is true... Saturn has a dampening effect, if a mature one, on the natural exuberance and self indulgence a Sun-Venus conjunction usually implies. It makes things steady though..

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posted July 08, 2016 06:28 PM            

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Aw man and Uranus squares it from the 12th!? Hmmm...

You say you've just met this person? I would not be surprised if extremely bizarre and difficult to explain events, or even something which is never fully revealed or understood, somehow upsets the relationship--or else has initiated it? Or it may very well be an ongoing theme that you are dealing with this out of the blue Uranian energy which is coming from diffuse sources and 'hidden enemies'... Normally I don't automatically go there with the 12th but it would be something to watch out for given that Uranus is square both the IC and MC and Saturn and Neptune... pretty wild! Then again, just the mere fact that we have this angle involved changes the interpretation a bit and makes Uranus all important in this chart (I was sort of writing/thinking as though it were just square the planets but when I think about it more holistically I can recall that planets squaring angles are absolutely demanding integration and become heightened in their importance.

So there's some challenge here in this chart with figuring out how to incorporate the unpredictability and ingeniousness of the spiritual/unconscious realm, and the general phenomena which erupt in this mysterious world beyond our powers of conscious comprehension... how to incorporate all of this into the relationship's soul mission, or ultimate expression of itself in the eyes of others and in its own deep heart...

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