posted August 04, 2015 09:00 PM            

Suns square, Mercurys square (both our dispositors, big ones to us?), Ascendants square, Jupiters square and there's even a wider Uranus square as well (WTH did we do, fight all the time or clash badly sometime? Going to clash badly now?). Sun, Venus and Mercury in his 5H, NN in 7H, Neptune & Vertex in his 8H (secondary 7H). His Saturn & NN in my 5H; Sun, Merc and Mars in my 11H (secondary 7-8H); Moon in my 9H (secondary 5H of sorts?).

His chart first, mine below it:

ASC-ruler Sun trine ASC-ruler Venus
DC- & 8H- ruler Uranus opposite ASC-ruler Venus
Jupiter conj his Sun/Moon MP square MC
SN conj his Sun = Venus/Mars MP
Sun/Jupiter MP = his SN

Jupiter is the second or co-ruler of my 5H (Sag intercepted), Pluto the other, so would it also follow that the second ruler of my 11H is Mercury, not just the Venus I'd likewise considered? 11H is my secondary 7H + 8H through the Aquarius/Uranus stuff.

5H co-ruler Jupiter trine 7H ruler Pluto

I have a 2H Leo Sun, his Tau Sun & ASC would resonate to that? Same with my 8H Pisces Moon, symbolic vibes to his Scorpio DC? My Huber Houses Moon is 8.35 in 8H, so basically a direct match for his 8.20 Scorpio descendant. I was also amused to find his Valentine is parallel my DC AND conjunct it in the Huber charts. No idea if it'll help me with anything particular, but I'll take it if it makes me more "likeable" to whoever with the aspect.

Are the squares too much for him, with his sextiles between the 24-27 degree planets in many cases? My chart is obviously square central on its own alone, but he has a lot more flowing in his chart. He's also an extremely nice person while I come off as acerbic and less impressed with things met in most cases. Okay, I'm the least deliberately malicious person out there quite probably (double Leo, Pisces Moon, couldn't be bothered), but it doesn't come into play if it's "Sarcasm Engaged", I imagine.

posted August 04, 2015 09:21 PM            

My Mercury does something with the Saturn and his Merc perhaps, but not sure it's anywhere near enough to fit the other T-square of Mars opp NN squaring his Moon, since the Merc-Moon opposition would be 8 degrees as well. Or to turn the Moon-Uranus/Jupiter-Saturn Grand Trine into another kind of a pattern. I don't know what Lotis White, LeeLoo or whoever focusing on patterns want to allow for completing puzzle pieces but seems very wide for that. Tyche 19.58 Scorpio is near the Saturn, for example, but more so seems to vibe via Huber or other charts.

Venus-Mars contacts are around 72 & 36 so the quintile series as I recall. My Anteros is 16.05 Tau conj his Amor, should that vibe for anyone. Found it interesting my NN is quindecile his Eros and my Psyche quindecile his NN, as I recall.

Based on his chart/s, what does he want? Scorpio, some Sag, maybe a bit of Leo through the 7th ruler Pluto in his 5th house? A bit of Aries through the Venus? Does the fact his Venus is in his 12H lead to my Moon in Pisces vibing with his Venus-type, when his Moon is in Pisces as well? Some female-level affinity?

Composite chart below, because I'm nothing if not thorough. ;P Composite Osiris ~17-18 Cap and Isis 12 Leo as I recall.

I'm on the composite IC, he's Saturn on the comp. Neptune-Vertex, for starters. Comp. Sun on his Vesta, my Fortuna, but I don't really feel I have anything there at my end and would far prefer to be the Pisces Moon end for sure, as it "should be", too. Very much so a strange "Wait, how did I end up wearing a skirt when meeting him?" feminity trip of sorts, liking the Man in him. (Not going to be any sort of an active "romance" if you ask me though, even if not complicated as a chart. I'd flirt, if got my Saturn aspecting so much of his chart to RELAX and even to laugh in person, the way he can be funny, sure.)

Composite also obviously has nodal nonsense to no end with Jupiter (&Mars?) with the SN and both Uranus and Moon squaring the Nodes. Skipped steps, hard lessons, no idea what, but of course the harsh T-squares with the 12H apex are likely to do SOMETHING.

posted August 04, 2015 10:04 PM            

Natal to draconic hits especially with the luminaries seem more interesting, with my Sun-Moon opposition hitting his nodal axis via the antiscia/contrascia, for example. Ties to the Huber charts with the contrascia, as mentioned elsewhere, Faith's post I think. Not sure if his draconic Vertex-Antivertex at around 20 Cap-Cancer matters, when my Venus/Mars MP is 20 Cancer and the Huber nodes/NN falls at around there, too. Aubyanne is the one mixing charts, so not sure what I prefer with what for now.

His Osiris by the way 19.45 Sco, Isis 2.39 R Sco. Draconic Osiris 22 Aquarius, Isis 5 R Aquarius.

posted August 05, 2015 07:46 AM            

For interplanetary aspects, the attraction seems to be coming from his Venus opposite your Uranus and trine your Sun. Perhaps especially compelling because Uranus co-rules your Dsc. His 7th house co-ruler Pluto is in Leo the same sign as your Sun. I also would consider his Venus sextile your Moon a valid aspect even though it's out of sign.

posted August 05, 2015 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I've just taken a quick look at this, and you seem to have a pretty good grasp on what's going on here concerning rulers etc. Like you said his chart is pretty flowing but he also has Pluto in Leo square Sun, and Mars Square Moon, both very tight. So maybe the squares in synastry are manageable. He must be a lot older, so you'd have to be okay with this. I can tell you are each other's type with your Sun in his 5th, and his Sun/Asc in your secondary 7th. Sounds like you're 'doing it right' to me.

For interplanetary aspects, the attraction seems to be coming from his Venus opposite your Uranus and trine your Sun. Perhaps especially compelling because Uranus co-rules your Dsc. His 7th house co-ruler Pluto is in Leo the same sign as your Sun. I also would consider his Venus sextile your Moon a valid aspect even though it's out of sign.

Your Jupiter in Aries sextile his Mars and trine his Pluto may actually help him out his own squares... It's at the mid-point of his Sun and Moon and in a way helps mediate his Moon/Mars and Sun/Pluto squares. Your Sun square his Sun is not that tight (about 3 degrees). The Jupiter/Jupiter and Mercury/Mercury squares are tighter... Lots of debate, and re-negotiating. The practical side of him will often agree with you though, as you have his 7th house Saturn sextile your Mercury. His Venus is square your Saturn really tight... On the one hand Saturn co-rules your 7th house (which can feel sweet to you), on there other hand this square could indicate turning cold on each other when one of you goes into a mood, and relationship blockages of a practical nature. Your Sun tight trine to his Venus will help here.

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Thanks for the reply, as you again highlight things that I wouldn't have thought of even though can sort of see the rulers or a basic spine and maybe even some muscle structure of things. The fleshing out other people have to do, so thank you for that.

I'm aware it's not exactly a traditional relating chart, but with so many squares and the rest, I'm actually very curious as to how something like this goes, BECAUSE it's such a clash at a glance. If nothing else, it'll be interesting to see how something like this does function, although at the moment we don't interact enough "IRL" and day to day for most of it to even come into play. Have to see, but I did something right even in a busy more crowded setting, since comparing photos of him next to me and some others taken the same time with others, he's facing me or with his body turned right toward me, body language open to me or geared right toward me. Things happening that I only realized when seeing all those later. Some instant subconscious thing, his deeming me ok or trusted or something enough to turn toward me even when we'd only basically just met face to face finally, when the only other (1-2) pictures where he's turned right toward another someone are with two people he knows better. Somehow I had an instant effect for the same result, body language right open to me and getting in CLOSE.

Curious things, whatever the case. Communication was confusing as anything though, heh, since we kept throwing each other with things said and done. Unspoken expectations somewhere underneath mixing with everything else and a lot of things making things more difficult with the face to face newness of trying to get used to how we actually do things out there. Like I said, square central and "Well, should be interesting at least" whatever happens.

He's 20 years older (& fit as hell for any age), I've never minded older men, and for now it's about getting along in general more so in the first place, not a relationship like that per se. If it was about building a ("romantic") relationship, I'd hope that I'd have some level of maturity, anyway, although am only coming to my Uranus half-return transit sometime next. And don't feel mature in many ways, the first kidults as my generation are in a way. (He can be worse at times. Snort. <3 , although I likewise realize even that might get obnoxious in the long run.)

Sun square Sun is 2 deg 35'. Here's to practical sides then, I guess (Merc sext Sat). No idea if ASC square ASC (1.27) is good or bad the way people say mixed things about it but hopefully my Venus (11H & secondary-DC ruler, but is it the co-ruler with Mercury?) trine his helps. Also have Venus trine/conj Karma DW, whatever that does. Aubyanne's Stein-thread on Chiron suggests my Chiron gets in with his Venus in any case. Hopefully my Saturn sextiling his Sun (5H ruler?) also helps with whatever Sat square Venus (trine Sun) style things.

I imagine his Moon in his 11H also symbolically vibes with my Aquarius DC likes as well as my 8H Moon with his Scorpio-DC? My Sun and Moon fall in his 5th and 11th, his Moon in my (secondary 5th?) 9H and Sun in my 11H. Mirroring?

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Any comments on some of the second post, and what I noted under the composite chart?

"Would you say my Moon at 0 Pisces is close enough to tap one of the "empty spot" patterns, his seeming to want something for late Aquarius?"

"(Not going to be any sort of an active "romance" if you ask me though, even if not complicated as a chart. I'd flirt, if got my Saturn aspecting so much of his chart to RELAX and even to laugh in person, the way he can be funny, sure.)

... but of course the harsh T-squares with the 12H apex are likely to do SOMETHING.

posted August 06, 2015 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I can tell you are each other's type with your Sun in his 5th, and his Sun/Asc in your secondary 7th. Sounds like you're 'doing it right' to me.

For interplanetary aspects, the attraction seems to be coming from his Venus opposite your Uranus and trine your Sun. Perhaps especially compelling because Uranus co-rules your Dsc. His 7th house co-ruler Pluto is in Leo the same sign as your Sun.

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(Btw, with Saturn co-ruling my DSC, I imagine my Saturn in contact with the same Venus also makes me react. Doubly enticed by the ASC-ruler Venus, so to speak?)

Also, for theory's sake or to confirm, am I right in thinking that if there was a longer term relationship, he would see me as more of a 5th house (diversion?) relation whereas I'd lean toward liking him in the 7H fashion? I don't do that much with his 7H after all.

Or would his 7H ruler in Leo 5th make Leo even a 7th house style thing for someone with that chart, not just the Scorpio that seems a big hit for him otherwise? Libra has never interested me after all, although both my 5th and 7th rulers are there. Cancer to some extent (4H) maybe but not Libra.

posted August 06, 2015 02:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
(Btw, with Saturn co-ruling my DSC, I imagine my Saturn in contact with the same Venus also makes me react. Doubly enticed by the ASC-ruler Venus, so to speak?)

Also, for theory's sake or to confirm, am I right in thinking that if there was a longer term relationship, he would see me as more of a 5th house (diversion?) relation whereas I'd lean toward liking him in the 7H fashion? I don't do that much with his 7H after all.

Or would his 7H ruler in Leo 5th make Leo even a 7th house style thing for someone with that chart, not just the Scorpio that seems a big hit for him otherwise? Libra has never interested me after all, although both my 5th and 7th rulers are there. Cancer to some extent (4H) maybe but not Libra.

What of his secondary 7H, his 8th with the Sag-cusp? I have Neptune conjunct it (vibing to our Pisces Moons?) and it's my Jupiter aspecting his 7th ruler Pluto. I'm aware it varies what people react to, but for theoretical questions since there is a chart to look at, I'm curious.

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Actually I think you both give each other a little bit of 5th house and the 8th houses. His Saturn is conjunct your 5th house cusp and aspecting your Mercury from this point... His sense of duty activates your 5th house. In terms of expressing your feelings to him you might feel as if you'd need to approach him in a careful, respectful way. You might be a bit in awe of his maturity.

From his side your Sun being in the same sign as his 7th house ruler is more then enough to activate his 7th house energy on a symbolic level. His 7th house ruler square his Sun and in the 5th house adds even more Leo-ness to it, plus you aspect his 7th house Saturn with your Mercury which gives it something to 'do'. Jupiter aspecting his 7th house ruler gives it something to work with as well. His secondary 7th house being in Sag wants to receive Jupiter energy so there is a fit there.

Your Neptune on his 8th house will activate his 8th house for him, but and it is your Moons dispositor. Other then that not sure it indicates the Pisces Moon for him because it's your Neptune on his 8th and not part of his pattern. However, he does have Venus in the 12th house, and Neptune in Libra opposite Venus by 1 degree, and Moon in Pisces (his two major female significators have a Pisces vibe) so there's plenty else in his chart to attract him to some Pisces energy.

About the Scorpio symbolism in his attraction pattern, whether or not he feels he needs this is hard to guess. I've noticed that some people are more attracted to certain parts of their attraction pattern then the rest of it. This can be based on how their chart is setup and also on life experience/ who influences them in early life etc. It's something that only he knows. Just like only you can tell that the Libra part of your attraction pattern hasn't strongly manifested for you. You'd have to get to know him well to really figure it out as it's a individual thing. If he had an identical twin with the same chart, one of them might go more for Leo, while the other one might go more for Scorpio, simply because of their different personal experiences. Your Moon in a water sign in the 8th house will fit quite well with his Scorpio need though, even if it's not a Scorpio placement specifically.

This synastry is not an easy one overall. There are a lot of challenges and potential conflict to deal with. It's very dynamic with lots of energy being tossed around. There's also a good deal of attraction indicated, and a few 'nice' aspects like Venus trine Sun, and Jupiter sextile Mars and trine Pluto.

The composite has a Sun/Moon sextile in it and this indicates to me that despite a lot of differences the two of you might make a good team. Like you can put aside your differences for the sake of pursuing certain goals together, and find cohesive ways to function as a unit.

But... (don't you hate 'buts') the Pluto in your composite makes a quite a few hard aspects. It squares Mars, and opposes the Moon. Uranus is widely conjunct Pluto and it squares Jupiter and also opposes the Moon. There might be something somewhat taboo, or downright weird, about the two of you together. Maybe it's the age difference, or maybe somehow the two of you have a way of pulling each other's strings, or pressing each others buttons, or maybe other people disapprove. There could some volatile mood swings, or smoldering undercurrents between you that are a bit uncomfortable. The Sun trines/sextiles the Pluto/Uranus opposite Moon aspect. Which means you are both cable of being mature about these feelings, and perhaps having negotiations to figure some sort of agreement, even when inside you may feel like having a tantrum. Uranus opposite the Moon in the composite indicate that the relationship could be intermittent but exciting. Sometimes you see each other, sometimes not. There could be sudden changes. The Pluto aspects in the composite indicate a desire to explore the other person's inner psyche and real curiosity about each other. And maybe some possessiveness depending on how close you get. The Pluto aspects indicate attraction but things can go dark if this energy is not handled well.

posted August 06, 2015 08:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
However, he does have Venus in the 12th house, and Neptune in Libra opposite Venus by 1 degree, and Moon in Pisces (his two major female significators have a Pisces vibe) so there's plenty else in his chart to attract him to some Pisces energy.

If he had an identical twin with the same chart, one of them might go more for Leo, while the other one might go more for Scorpio, simply because of their different personal experiences. Your Moon in a water sign in the 8th house will fit quite well with his Scorpio need though, even if it's not a Scorpio placement specifically.

This synastry is not an easy one overall. There are a lot of challenges and potential conflict to deal with. It's very dynamic with lots of energy being tossed around. There's also a good deal of attraction indicated,

The composite has a Sun/Moon sextile in it and this indicates to me that despite a lot of differences the two of you might make a good team.

But... (don't you hate 'buts') the Pluto in your composite makes a quite a few hard aspects. It squares Mars, and opposes the Moon. Uranus is widely conjunct Pluto and it squares Jupiter and also opposes the Moon. There might be something somewhat taboo, or downright weird, about the two of you together. Maybe it's the age difference, or maybe somehow the two of you have a way of pulling each other's strings, or pressing each others buttons, or maybe other people disapprove. There could be some volatile mood swings, or smoldering undercurrents between you that are a bit uncomfortable. The Sun trines/sextiles the Pluto/Uranus opposite Moon aspect. Which means you are both capable of being mature about these feelings, and perhaps having negotiations to figure some sort of agreement, even when inside you may feel like having a tantrum. Uranus opposite the Moon in the composite indicates that the relationship could be intermittent but exciting. Sometimes you see each other, sometimes not. There could be sudden changes. The Pluto aspects in the composite indicate a desire to explore the other person's inner psyche and real curiosity about each other. And maybe some possessiveness depending on how close you get. The Pluto aspects indicate attraction but things can go dark if this energy is not handled well.

Saturn is square the Asc/Dsc Axis. This can indicate several things... The feeling that in order to be with this person you need to follow certain 'rules', potential blockages in actually getting together in the first place, or super serious, no-nonsense attitude towards creating a relationship together. How do you feel this fits?

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Well, I respect the potential for more (still) in his working life if nothing else, that being Saturnian I guess. There are some things more that he could accomplish and be really great at, well, some things, my wanting him to do well in what he's chosen to do or would like to do still.

My Sun is basically 4 degrees conjunct his 7th ruler Pluto, but you seem to consider it too wide for this since only talk about it being in the same sign. I'm not entirely sure but have the impression his first wife was an early Scorpio (2 deg Sco or something such?), although can't say what it says about his possible attractions overall. Piscean vibes fit some other things seen, although no precise idea for now. I'll take it as a positive in any case you're talking about Leo and Scorpio as his two "options" otherwise.

One of the first concerns is that it'd be pointlessly argumentative just for the sake of it, or because of miscommunicating or not reading the other right, when I dislike arguing or fighting. Some squabbling can be "nice" but a constant frustrating version isn't. Can only hope the fact my Virgo Mercury is in my third house (to echo the Gemini squaring it?) maybe helps a tiny bit along with whatever Saturn and the Antivertex conjunct his Merc. *shrug*

I kind of thrive on last minute energy or soaring to things when under some pressure to get things done, too, so can see how someone pushing me (a BIT) to get more accomplished may seem even attractive. Whether whatever dynamicness here would lead to any such potentials is in the air for now.

The composite Sun-Moon is a trine, not a sextile. I've read Pluto-Moon aspects can also work like a vacuum, "suction" glue to people, and with a T-square to Mars, could be interesting I suppose. At least in the light of having read of a composite T-square with Venus, Mars and Pluto coming out as lust and passion, this having Moon instead. So... when not entirely in the air because of Uranus or whatever.

I jokingly thought the composite'd probably "work" if we had a sordid on-off affair given some aspects, but it's not precisely what I'm in the market for (nor him as figure it) so I guess that's Saturn going "No" if nothing else. ;P I'd like to consider myself weird, but doubt that's a reflection on whatever the Uranian sides mentioned. We're very different, yes, but I was surprised how many interests we shared when it came to it, although have yet to determine if it's "Shared interest, entirely different point of view" constantly at work.

Smoldering undercurrents just sounds rarr if you ask me. I'm currently over it, but there was a time when anything he did pretty much seemed like sex on legs - and some things tying to him triggered taboo-style kinks as thoughts, when I'd never before considered anything such even remotely sexy. He didn't stop being sexy but at least the constant "JFC, how do you do that?" thing died down. For the time being, anyway. My Lust-asteroid on his NN or composite patterns, wouldn't know what the cause was but it was a pretty interesting experience.

To give an example, I probably couldn't jokingly say "Come to mama" without ending up with WEIRD mother-son style extremely taboo kink style thoughts although nothing such ever interested me otherwise. When the thing was active however, all it did was to get a trigger like that and bam, in relation to him anything could suddenly turn into a weird turn-on. (And to be honest, since he's older it'd probably be the other way around, weird and normally icky daddy things suddenly turning potentially sexy in relation to him. As may be obvious, I got to know the pattern or how ANYTHING could turn into the WTF that it was rather well while it lasted, if I can now think up examples from thin air. To further prove the point, even the word air could lead to thinking of asphyxiation fetishes or something such, there being little limit to where the mind could leap when something triggered it, but only in relation to him.)

Two open-minded people associating, I suppose there are many ways it can look weird to other people. One way or another.

posted August 10, 2015 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Darn it, I knew the composite had a Sun/Moon trine but for some reason my brain confused it with the Sun/Pluto sextile when I was typing and substituted the word. But yeah the interpretation is the same. Thanks for the feedback.

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Apparently we both have Pluto/Ceres midpoint in touch with the ASC-DC. Mine's on my Ascendant and his at his descendant. I'm not quite sure what it'd mean to two people, other than some vague mirroring and a similar sort of a "need" with the midpoint, perhaps, but it's interesting, again.

"Pluto/Ceres – deep transformation according to the myth; stories of loss and finding; possession and co-dependency"

Also got reminded his Pholus is at 6.43 R Aquarius on my DC. Mine, well, I guess it's a VERY wide trine to his DC, from 11.53-ish Pisces to his 8.20 Scorpio DC. My Moon is on his Moon/Pholus midpoint.

His Mars/Juno MP opposite my Moon, my Pluto 1 opposite his Moon/Lust MP while his Venus squares my MP by 1.

"Moon/Lust – deep sensuality and lust; possibility to fulfill needs"

"Mars/Juno – ideal partner (man)"