posted August 05, 2015 04:52 PM            

At our meeting, late January, 2010:

His pSUN was (0º30º) conjunct my NNODE, separating. His pMOON, however, was (2º) applying to my pSUN.

My pMOON was also (0º15) trine his pSUN, separating, and conjunct (2º) applying to my NEPTUNE (7R). I hadn't realised at the time how truly significant that was, and how much degrees matter!

Here's where I get blown away, though. We were both having (1º) applying conjunctions of pVENUS/pJUNO. And, miraculously, our pMOONs were 0º05 parallel one another -- with, of course, his pMOON parallel my pSUN.

But what's the natal-to-progressed story?

I always get a little nervous when I see too much prog'd-to-'prog'd action; it almost feels more akin to actors donning particular roles. What happens when the play closes? Do you go on to tackle greater roles together, or slip out of your costumes, turn in your scripts, and part ways?

Despite the complementary nature of the progressed aspects, he was exhibiting a great deal of Leonine energy, and most of my Libra had become Scorpio, so I was very Plutonian. However, some of his Leo had shifted into Virgo, which is the sign of my natal VENUS, indicating some simpatico.

But these aren't what we expect to see at the start of a long-term relationship.

However ....

While the research is new, the VERTICES are being used as something of a timer, whether natal or even progressed.

My pVERTEX was (0º30) opposite my SUN (conjunct my ANTIVERTEX), separating, which is also (2º) applying to a conjunction with his MOON. Aha! Further, his pVERTEX was (0º) conjunct his VENUS/KARMA. Aha again!

... which is also my ISIS/OSIRIS.

Hmmm, indeed!

But. Again. How does this shape up in terms of predicting a long-term relationship? Well, if you ask me, it doesn't. Not quite.

As mir, Ceri, and more talented progressionistas than myself have detected, pSUN/VENUS or pVENUS/SUN are much more indicative of the beginning of a solid relationship.

The pMOON conjunct pSUN is definitely a good aspect to see, at a potential couple's meeting. But here's the danger.

What if the progressed MOON is vastly different from the natal? Or the SUN? Then we've got a case of donning two costumes very different from the usual street-clothes. We've got two people playing roles that are very different from their actual personalities.

In our case, it wasn't that big of a deal; my pSUN is coming upon my natal MOON, which makes his pMOON only 6º off of my natal MOON. Not bad. There's clearly a wealth of Plutonian (especially Scorpio) energy here, which is simply being focussed for the time-being. He gets to experience his natal Aries MOON through a Scorpio lens; and I've been donning my MOON for my SUN for the past 15 years at this point.

Nonetheless, what's up with the pSUNs? They're (0º30) square! That'll certainly get one's attention! But will it stick?

Well, that square can be a bit of a problem! It seems, at the present time, they're moving in different directions; though, looking deeper, he's expressing a masculine, projective solar energy -- and I'm expressing a feminine, receptive solar energy. That's intriguing.

posted August 05, 2015 06:05 PM            

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And, miraculously, our pMOONs were 0º05 parallel one another

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Miraculously, I've seen this one ^ several times now at the START of.. ( something )

Very impressive also the strong progr Venus/Juno resonance (with a prog compo result I guess). According to magi astro it's the most sexual aspect you can have.

the Vertices I suspect are also important somehow, however more as an add on.

posted August 05, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Miraculously, I've seen this one ^ several times now at the START of.. ( something )

Very impressive also the strong progr Venus/Juno resonance (with a prog compo result I guess). According to magi astro it's the most sexual aspect you can have.

the Vertices I suspect are also important somehow, however more as an add on.

pSun/pSun squares seem to have pretty high rate in Westran's research. http://www.positiveastrology.com/ANS.asp

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Oh, well I'M a doof. (Thanks for that clarity regarding the pSUN square pSUN. I had no idea!)

posted August 05, 2015 07:30 PM            

what kind of significance would my progressed venus conjunct with his natal sun within 1 degree be although we have been together for 7 years on and off? also his progressed venus is within 4 degree of his natal sun and my progressed venus.

posted August 05, 2015 07:46 PM            

When we first began to explore a romantic dimension to our professional relationship and friendship, his pMOON had now shifted within 2º of my natal MOON, to form an applying conjunction.

Several months later, after the pMOON-MOON conjunction was now separating (2º), and his pSUN was (3º) from being conjunct his VENUS, our relationship ended, My pMOON was leaving Sagittarius, and heading into Capricorn, where it'd be the day I married, a month later. During the 'dark times', as he recalls it. Very, very dark times.

Oddly enough, the week that we broke up, we had an exact (0º00 again) trine of pVERTEX to pVERTEX. His is still conjunct my NNODE and his VENUS/KARMA, and mine is now 0º conjunct his MOON.

April 2011. pMOONs are no longer parallel -- but his pSUN is now contraparallel my MOON. Hmm. His pMOON is now widely conjunct my MARS (3º) and parallel my VALENTINE -- but conjunct my pEROS (1º). pSUN square pSUN still, of course, and pMOON is now 0º30 semisextile pMOON. My pVENUS is (0º) conjunct JUNO, and coming up on my SUN (4º).

Too much pain; we don't like being apart, but being together is too complicated. We try again anyhow.

Ironically enough, just as his pMOON is approaching my VALENTINE (2º), and my pMOON is exactly, yet again, conjunct his pASC, the romantic dimension fades from our relationship, and neither of us question it. We just continue on. It's neither 'off' nor 'on'. But a strange sort of limbo.

posted August 05, 2015 09:06 PM            

But I somehow seem to miss the prime mover of VENUS in this whole story.

posted August 05, 2015 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by sunshinedragon:
this is interesting.

what kind of significance would my progressed venus conjunct with his natal sun within 1 degree be although we have been together for 7 years on and off? also his progressed venus is within 4 degree of his natal sun and my progressed venus.

perhaps a new understanding or is it of no significance?

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posted August 05, 2015 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Well, as it's a verry important progressed tight appl. conjunction, an interesting question would now be, are you noticing more involvement, a coming-closer, a more intimate way of connecting?

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posted August 05, 2015 11:54 PM            

Would a pMoon conj to the other's nMoon be a rel starter too? And especially if they have moon/moon conj in synastry? Or would it make no difference since they already have it?

posted August 06, 2015 04:58 AM            

pVENUS was doing some interesting things, indeed; especially with our dual pVENUS-pJUNO conjunctions, which I hadn't noticed until today.

In March 2013, something changed.

For one, our MOONs were catching up to each other -- just barely. Mine was at 29° Capricorn, preparing to leave the sign, embarking upon its journey Aquarius -- where it would first do a big thing. Be 0° conjunct my VERTEX. His, on the other hand, was just beginning its trek through Capricorn, at 0°. Interesting symmetry.

Further, my pSUN is now 1°30 from my pDESTINN, and my pUNION is 0° conjunct my MOON. My pASC is now 0° conjunct his DESTINN. His pDESTINN is 0° conjunct my SUN -- and 2° from my pVENUS-pJUNO, applying. His pKARMA was 0° conjunct my VENUS, when we met; now it's 0° my ASC. And my pVERTEX is now 0° conjunct his EROS.

To say things were changing is an understatement.

My pALMA is now 0° conjunct my SUN along with his pDESTINN, and his pVALENTINE is now 2° applying conjunction to his SUN.

But things weren't quite ready yet.

Then, 27 October 2013, it happened.

pSUN 0° square pSUN.
pMOON 0° semisextile pMOON.

His pSUN is now 1° conjunct his VENUS; my pVENUS is 1° conjunct my SUN.

Symmetry.

It became official Valentine's week this year. We both decided it was time. Cultural stereotypes and social mores be damned; we love one another, and aren't going to be ashamed of that.

The transits were beautiful. tVENUS was conjunct tMARS with the tEROS and tPSYCHE conjunction.

And another bit of gorgeous symmetry happened:

My pMOON was 0° opposite his pSUN, now 1° conjunct his VENUS, separating. His pMOON was 1° sextile my pSUN, now 1° applying to conjunct my MOON (in about a year's time).

My pVENUS is now 0° conjunct my SUN with my pALMA (1°) and his pDESTINN (1°). My pVERTEX is also now 0° conjunct his NNODE; his is too far from mine, but still in early late Leo.

But what's most incredible is where my pVENUS is, as it's preparing to leave my SUN, heading into 20° Libra -- in an applying 2° conjunction to his natal MARS.

In our composite, as we're both beginning pVENUS conjunct pPLUTO periods, we have a conjunction of the two in the degrees of my pVENUS, natal SUN, and his MARS.

It's actually quite passionate, taking into account that 'passion' isn't exactly what we do.

All in all, VENUS definitely played her role, mir. She just didn't become seriously involved until it was happening.

While we admitted to how much we missed, and still love each other that March, circumstances continued to intervene into late October, so it wasn't until then that we actually got back together. And in February of this year, it became official, which his introducing me as his girlfriend.

posted August 06, 2015 09:52 AM            

In keeping with my present learning about parallels I'm looking at those and...

Progressed composite Venus (3'52S) was

contra-parallel my progressed Mars (3'53N) and
his prog. Pluto (4'21N)

parallel his progressed Sun (4'11 S)
and Mercury (4'10S)

His progressed Venus was at 8'28 N and my progressed True Node was at 8'25 S... is that significant? Do we look at progressed nodes?

posted August 06, 2015 06:37 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
Mir you are a wealth of knowledge!

Would a pMoon conj to the other's nMoon be a rel starter too? And especially if they have moon/moon conj in synastry? Or would it make no difference since they already have it?

My other question is, is the natal person feeling the impact from the other's progression mostly or does the progressed person also feel hit by the other's natal?

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Haha No I'm not / I wish I was!

No, a pMoon/nMoon is not exactly the thing to look for. Well, it's probably nice for a short period of time / months matter /but without any other progressed biggies like Sun/Venus Venus/Venus Venus/Mars etc. I wouldn't exactly give it much chance. But that's me.

You can find a lot on this board about 'progressed synastry' or type 'Paul Westran' and u will find a wealth of info.

I haven't exactly noticed that one feels it more than the other.

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His pSUN is now 1° conjunct his VENUS; my pVENUS is 1° conjunct my SUN.

Symmetry.

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Aaahh THAT one ~!

posted August 06, 2015 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Aaahh THAT one ~!

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posted August 07, 2015 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Haha No I'm not / I wish I was!

No, a pMoon/nMoon is not exactly the thing to look for. Well, it's probably nice for a short period of time / months matter /but without any other progressed biggies like Sun/Venus Venus/Venus Venus/Mars etc. I wouldn't exactly give it much chance. But that's me.

You can find a lot on this board about 'progressed synastry' or type 'Paul Westran' and u will find a wealth of info.

I haven't exactly noticed that one feels it more than the other.

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thank you mir

I had a look and it seems we have his nSUN parallel my pVENUS. Also my pSUN parallel his pVENUS. Both under 0.30.
My pVENUS is exactly sextile his pMARS. Do sextiles count though??

We have a situation where things between us are not able to move forward. Too much going on in both our lives, different directions etc. Uranus is about to steamroll his sun/venus conjunction.

posted August 08, 2015 12:06 AM            

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Originally posted by mollywu:
Someone's Progressing Sun is applying conjunct my natal Venus by 1 degrees now, but we already broke up 1.5 years ago. I don't feel love to him any more. I am into another guy which we don't share the so-calld strong progressing aspects to a relationship.....So I think other aspects should be considered too.

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posted August 08, 2015 02:54 AM            

I was pretty discouraged to find some celebrity couples without anything outstanding progressed wise during the start of their relationship.

BUT... this is what comes to mind again and again;

I THINK it's time to look at TRUE close~to~home cases and NOT celibrity couples. Why? Well, what would you do when being the prey of newspapers, broadsheets and tabloids?

Exactly! I wouldn't want to give away my true data. Am I the only one? I don't think so...

I got an example of one famous actrice (I forgot her name) and at the end of her life she confessed that she deliberately kept her true data hidden from the public.

But why do the progressions in the longitudes only (Sun/Venus - Venus/Mars - Venus/Venus) never seem to fail in my own life en in that of the ones I personally know? Plus the life of our progressed LL expert Nine (great memory eey ;D)? Coincidence?

I have to start all over again.

EmGem, that might be the answer on why the 2 of you aren't together right now OR at the least share a more intimate connection. No biggies in the Geo longitudes (sextile isn' t)