posted August 11, 2015 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's even biochemical, Gabby.

Think of it like those old-timey 'hit the marker with the mallet to hit the bell' machines. (Even if they were rigged.) Trauma 'hits the bell'. Interestingly enough, if we can recreate the traumatic experience in a controlled environment, within a trust relationship, it's a bit like bungee-jumping. Our brain will process the same experience as free-falling, even though we aren't; we're safe this time. Each time we relive the experience in a controlled, restricted context we desensitise ourselves just a bit to the overall 'hit' we originally took in the traumatic experience.

I've explored this via BDSM for many years now, employing my background in psychotherapy, criminology (actually) and forensic psychology, which, I think, gives me a unique perspective -- as I'm talking about dealing with real trauma here. Not Fifty Shades. But true BDSM can be instrumental in healing those very deep wounds, yes. And whips and chains are hardly needed.

I would expect HADES to be involved, too. His is on my CHIRON, 0º. Which is also my skipped step. I'm not surprised he's the one with whom I've been able to undertake this research. Finally.

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Yes, I've done the same kinds of things with my possible TF.

Yes, I would think Hades would be prominent since we are revisiting these dark places hidden from the light.

TF's scorp Prosperpina/His Draco Jupiter is opposed my Hades/His Venus/his Draco Sun...my Prosperpina squares all. My Mars/Venus and my Draco Jupiter midpoint complete a grand cross....

In our comp Hades is exact on my SN

Comp Persephone/Comp Moon/His Draco Uranus/His Draco Persephone all fall on my Sun/Moon midpoint.

posted August 11, 2015 05:13 PM            

But with him, crazy took on a new meaning.
I can´t even really explain what I mean with multi-dimensional, though in this case it is not just parallel or past lives (though there were flashes, too), but on some sort of mental, hypagnogic state of mind.
That which I like to call "uncontrolled daydreaming", but I know pretty well thta this has not much to do with daydreaming at all. But how to explain it?

I`ve come to simply surrender to that experience, even though I may have no name for it, and just go with the flow, and trust in that whatever I am supposed to know or understand is being revealed to me at the exact right time (that calmness and ability to not try to force insights and knowledge and understanding took a long way though).

oh well sidereally

Only the Poseidon/Cupido?

his sUranus is on 28°56 Libra
my sHades is on 28°18 Aries
(yes his Uranus sits on my Venus/Pluto-mp and opposes my Hades natally tropically)

But that`s pretty much it.

I did find it interesting though that I have

sCupido 5°04 LIbra
s Uranus 6°57 Libra

so they come to my tropical Apollo-MC conjunction on 4°58 and 5°40 Libra.

btw my sPOSEIDON is conjunct his tropical Vertex-APHRODITE (all on 28 Virgo) and rather close to my Dr DESC and his tropical DESC (25-26 Virgo)

his sPluto is near on 26°55 Virgo as well.

Which is kinda funny
he has sPluto conjunct tDESC
and
Dr ASC conjunct tPluto

posted August 11, 2015 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, I've done the same kinds of things with my possible TF.

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See, that's interesting to me. I'm wondering if a lot of the 'rules' have 'changed', so to speak. We can't operate using the same paradigm that the twin flames who came to prominence in the '60s and '70s were exclusively, can we? As if there's been no evolution at all?

Something tells me that the predominance of these energies -- the darker underbelly -- and, the fact that I've noticed a surprising amount of twin flames who are Plutonians (regardless of whether the energy is via Scorpio) leads me to believe that we're to delve. Dive. Deeply. To investigate, and lance the festering wounds, bringing all of that which is causing the mass infection to rise to the surface, bleed profusely, be cleansed, and then heal.

posted August 11, 2015 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
See, that's interesting to me. I'm wondering if a lot of the 'rules' have 'changed', so to speak. We can't operate using the same paradigm that the twin flames who came to prominence in the '60s and '70s were exclusively, can we? As if there's been no evolution at all?

Something tells me that the predominance of these energies -- the darker underbelly -- and, the fact that I've noticed a surprising amount of twin flames who are Plutonians (regardless of whether the energy is via Scorpio) leads me to believe that we're to delve. Dive. Deeply. To investigate, and lance the festering wounds, bringing all of that which is causing the mass infection to rise to the surface, bleed profusely, be cleansed, and then heal.

We may be the spiritual surgeons, Gabby; the great necromancers and shamans.

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We just might be!! 😊
I do think the rules are evolving, how else can we get to these deep wounds if we don't have someone who knows us, can go deep and do the hard stuff to help us pull out the darkness but still be there holding our hand and loving us through the intensity and pain of it all. They keep us grounded so we don't lose our way.

posted August 11, 2015 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
We just might be!! 😊
I do think the rules are evolving, how else can we get to these deep wounds if we don't have someone who knows us, can go deep and do the hard stuff to help us pull out the darkness but still be there holding our hand and loving us through the intensity and pain of it all. They keep us grounded so we don't lose our way.

Btw-My great grandfather was a Cherokee Indian Shaman on the reservation where my grandma was raised.

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Excellently stated. Exactly. BDSM which serves the soul, rather than the ego, has this shamanic quality to it. I mean, let's not forget -- vision quests were not easy! So I have no doubt that it's literally in your blood. I have tremendous respect for Native American culture. Every time I'm around it I feel like ... a kid in a candy store. I'm a sponge just soaking it all up. It all feels so great to me. Sedona, Arizona is my 'happy place' for this reason. I love driving through the whole Southwest for this reason. New Mexico -- especially near Albuquerque. Love it.

posted August 11, 2015 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Excellently stated. Exactly. BDSM which serves the soul, rather than the ego, has this shamanic quality to it. I mean, let's not forget -- vision quests were not easy! So I have no doubt that it's literally in your blood. I have tremendous respect for Native American culture. Every time I'm around it I feel like ... a kid in a candy store. I'm a sponge just soaking it all up. It all feels so great to me. Sedona, Arizona is my 'happy place' for this reason. I love driving through the whole Southwest for this reason. New Mexico -- especially near Albuquerque. Love it.

My oldest friend (30 years) who's one of my deepest soul-brothers, lives there. He and his mother's company do amazing homeopathic / healing work.

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My grandmother had such a calming peaceful strength and energy she was amazing. She said I had their gifts..of course it's only now that I know she was talking about spiritually and energetically.

I love sedona! I'll be going there for a retreat early next year.
Sedona in my chart is on my Angel/Rudra...they all square my Venus.

What do you think of these aspects....I looked up Arizona and I found the leo@11 I've been looking for to complete this aspect....it's an exact aspect to Kronos.

Arizona leo@11.34
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Nemesis saggy@10.57
Lova saggy@11.14
Neptune saggy@11.15
Levison saggy@11.18
Abhramu saggy@11.53
Calpurnia saggy@11.56
Apostle saggy@12.32
Temple saggy@12.33
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Anubis aries@9.36
Salome aries@9.55
Echo aries@10.25
Charkilo aries@11.22
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Ceres gemini@9.20
Atropos gemini@10.39
Kronos gemini@11.11
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Sado libra@9.08
Einstein libra@10.48
Pluto libra@11.05
Discovery libra@11.37
Erda libra@11.35
Deprez libra@11.26
Levin libra@11.38
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Merlin aqua@8.12
Hahn aqua@9.11
Groom aqua@9.44
Niobe aqua@10.07
Reiki aqua@10.42
Amend aqua@11.31
Spirit aqua@12.08
Forte aqua@12.59

Joseph Levison wrote "The Book of Sorrows"
A Holocaust historian; Second World War veteran who set out to rescue the memory of 206,000 murdered Jews. Wrote about the Holocaust, with breathtaking moments of the horrible annihilation of Lithuanian Jewish people.

Calpurnia (2542)-wife of Ceasar, she dreamed of Jesus death and tried to convince her husband to stop it from happening.

Salome (562) daughter of Herod Antipas given the head of John the Baptist after asking for him to be killed.

Levin-Jewish surname, derived from the Jewish biblical tribe of Levi, whose descendants the Levites had distinctive duties in the Temple period.

H43- KRONOS: Superiority: the highest quality attainable; the ultimate in authority; standard of excellence; undisputed expert ... Zeus and Kronos traveled in very close square from 1900 to about 1970. All natal horoscopes from 1900 to 1950 have these two planets together on the dial. These two together speak of energetic, creative activity of the highest quality. Unfortunately, they also speak of warfare, armament, and military commanders. The world experienced both sides of this combination.

posted August 12, 2015 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
This is kind of neat and powerful, I have vulkanus conjunct dejanira on Sirius. Right? I think that vulcanus would empower dejanira and get rid of any victim mentality and give her the strength and tools needed to work through destructive abusive dynamics and break the cycle clearing out any dejanira karma once and for all.

I also have Poisedon conjunct Pluto.

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posted August 12, 2015 05:36 AM            

I have SEDONA on my ASC

Sedona 6°08 Sag
ASC 7°01 Sag

and ARIZONA on Chiron (and Phoinix)

posted August 12, 2015 07:56 AM            

Of course it means it also conjuncts our synastric stellium from 25-28 Sagittarius.
I am providing the 25°xxx, he provides 26°xxx and 28°xxx; I have some asteroids on 27°xxx within minutes of each other, additionally, oh and it is the degree of his tropical Sun/Moon-mp.

posted August 12, 2015 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The Eight TransNeptunian “Planets” of the Uranian System:

H40- CUPIDO: Getting together. All groups: family, marriage, society, partnerships, organizations, corporations, collections. Art ... Cupido is a Super-Venus. The glyph is a combination of Venus and Jupiter, so where Venus means beauty, Cupido means art. Where Venus means love, Cupido means marriage. This is the planet of Togetherness.

Redefining partnerships such as marriage. Helps to create a sense of harmony when working in large groups or organizations. Relates to reestablishing family relationships that have been fractured.

H41- HADES: All that is unpleasant, useless, antique, or deeply buried. The occult ... Hades is misunderstood, because many think only of the negative meanings: dirt, garbage, sewage, sickness, poverty, mistakes, and all things ugly and sinister. There is a positive side that deals with antiquity, depth, and past lives.

Cleaning up karma, tapping into past life talents and experiences. Relates to those involved in step parent/child relationships.

H42- ZEUS: Controlled, directed energy. Machines; creativity; leadership. All things military. Combustion engines. Compulsion. Drive ... Zeus is like a loaded gun that is aimed. Even the glyph looks like a rocket. It signifies well planned efforts.

Relates to learning to channel one's anger into positive expressions. Becoming a voice of principle without becoming dogmatic or holier than thou. Getting in touch with one's inner truth. Relates to speakers, lecturers, etc.

H43- KRONOS: Superiority: the highest quality attainable; the ultimate in authority; standard of excellence; undisputed expert ... Zeus and Kronos traveled in very close square from 1900 to about 1970. All natal horoscopes from 1900 to 1950 have these two planets together on the dial. These two together speak of energetic, creative activity of the highest quality. Unfortunately, they also speak of warfare, armament, and military commanders. The world experienced both sides of this combination.

Reaching one's highest potential. Becoming one's highest authority. Learning to work within structures.

H44- APOLLON: The multiplier: expansion and spreading; growth and increase. Science, commerce, trade, industry, peaceful efforts ... The glyph is a combination of Jupiter and Gemini, and Apollon is truly a Super-Duper-Jupiter.

Relates to those seeking to reach the highest pinnacles of success.

H45- ADMETOS: The brick wall: steadfast, stable, immovable. Shrinking. Narrowing down to a sharp focus. Specialization. Endurance ... The glyph for Admetos shows an affinity for the sign Taurus and must be drawn with a base line to show the Admetos capacity to be steadfast, stable, and immovable. Admetos describes inertia, slow motion, and things that go around in a circle like phonograph records and ceiling fans.

Relates to musicians or anyone involved in an endeavor that requires repetition and frequent practice. Also for terminating circumstances that go round and round with no escape evident.

H46- VULCANUS: All that is mighty and powerful. Strength. Intensity... If a sentence has the word mighty or powerful in it, the Planetary signature will have Vulcanus in it. If the Sun and Vulcanus are together, the vitality, strength, and muscular power describe outstanding good health.

Finding great strength from within. The ability to overcome limitation through sheer determination and drive. Relates to focusing on the matter at hand and working it through.

H47- POSEIDON: Spirituality, truth, ideation, enlightenment, illumination. Wisdom and culture ... Poseidon has an affinity for Pisces and its glyph looks like a sideways version of Pisces. Poseidon is Super-Neptune without a negative side.

Embracing and living the highest expressions of spirituality. Relates to being involved in the Arts; enhances inspiration and creativity.

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Don't know about synastry for now, but the following patterns are a bit obnoxious, since mixing these to asteroids doesn't really work, as I imagine it, anyway.

As in, would people (Aubyanne?) say that someone's regular Pluto-Cupido (asteroid) conjunction in their natal could get enough of a mirroring if someone else has the trans-Neptunian h40 Cupido conjunct h57 Proserpina in their chart? Seems doubtful, different objects or a level, but maddeningly as if the same as well. In synastry h40 Cupido at 0 Libra sweeps as if near asteroid Persephone at 3 Libra the other way around, but is far off with the distance really.

It's kind of obnoxious when there is also the regular level Io-asteroid conjunct Sun (and a ton of other lovers of Zeus conj ASC & NN, etc.) which is met by someone's h42 Zeus conjunct said Io-Sun, aside their asteroid Zeus-NN echoing hit as it is. Different, but as if baiting with attention hits of some sort.

Whatever the case, synastry has Sun conj Zeus and Cupido opposite Venus, for one. Also Hades-SN conj Sun-Kronos and Jupiter conjunct Admetos (their Sun/Moon MP). I like the potential of a Sun with super-creativity or whatever the Zeus'd be, the DRIVE that I often have myself as it is when gearing toward something, so someone else amplifying that could either be magnificently (beautifully) creative, if not too much for now. Their sidereal Apollon = their Zeus, so it's somewhere in the mix I suppose. Their sidereal Cupido 5.59 R Virgo conj my Venus, where mine opposed their Venus as said. Not the first round, as said, whatever it is, was or will be sometime.

I have Hades at 25.08 Tau conjunct Algol and my 26.09 Tau SN, so by all means, the past whatever. Strangely enough the Hades-SN conj Sun-Kronos just brings to mind "He goes high, I go low" but with somehow strangely meeting in the middle even so, as if ascending from earth/down-low and descending from the atmosphere, space, sky, whatever such. Not how it goes, but I don't think we're headed in entirely the opposite directions in the sense of "Not meeting", if that's "follow-able".

I'd check more positions but Astro claims to be down or something. I know mine are a bit before Gabby's though (or after in a few cases), but remembered Apollon to be in Cancer, not Libra, for one. Suppose it was Vulcanus then.

posted August 12, 2015 10:14 AM            

Nemesis saggy@10.57
Neptune saggy@11.15
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Atropos gemini@10.39
Kronos gemini@11.11
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Echo aries@10.25
Charkilo aries@11.22
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Einstein libra@10.48
Pluto libra@11.05
Discovery libra@11.37
Deprez libra@11.26
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Reiki aqua@10.42
Amend aqua@11.31
Spirit aqua@12.08

posted August 17, 2015 01:23 AM            

Kronos conjuncts my Northnode

Zeus opposes my moon exact
Zeus conjuncts nemesis

Chaos-ADMETOS-Sappho-Osiris stellium in the 5th opposes TNP-CUPIDO and Juno conjuncts Chaos.

TNP-Cupido squares Nessus-Hylonome in the 8th and Hylonome opposes cyllarus. Also my nessus sesquisquares neptune in the first.

Chiron-Paradise-Hades conjunct exact and are at the apex of a YOD between asteroid cupido and Saturn.

Poseidon conjuncts Singleton Pluto

Vulcanos conjuncts Dejanira in the 7th

Apollon conjuncts TARDIS

I suppose a lot to think about but my vulcanus conjunct dejanira in the 7th interpretation is right on as I based it on my own personal experience of how this has manifested in my marriage.

Interestingly Transit Thisbe-Pyramus-Kronos are all near Sirius right now on my Deja-Valcanus so that really confirms further my interpretation of it: