posted September 15, 2015 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What is interesting here is that this is mostly an inner journey of the couple, a journey into the roots and the past, because the squaring stellium and Saturn are from NN to SN and Saturn rules the SN. It is not about breaking free from the past, but about going back home, and back in time.

It is also a movement from the 5th to the 11th, which gives love an unconditional, universal, serving higher goals and the community connotation beyond egotistical needs and the need for fun and play, and a journey of maturity back to one's roots and initial values. ( going back to Cap on SN, with the lessons learned from this movement from the 5th, passing through 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses).

No wonder Vesta conj NN here

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Why do you say our Journey is from NN to SN and going back to past and roots? how do you determine that our journey is from NN to SN?

What about the chart spells that out?

He cut off his family while involved with me, we seem to move away from the past and our roots and tend to redefine what our roots are. I felt more at home in Colorado were I have no roots than anywhere else and that adventure was with him I made it. We are going to move back there probably next year as we left bc we had to not bc we wanted to.

Is it bc our NN falls in 5th in an earlier house than our SN? so that means our Journey starts in NN based of off that?

posted September 16, 2015 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The squaring planets progress into the direction of one Node, and in your case the next Node they would touch, is the SN.

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posted September 16, 2015 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The squaring planets progress into the direction of one Node, and in your case the next Node they would touch, is the SN.

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Thanks for answering bc I am trying to understand this.....

This is the thing though my Saturn stellium which is squaring the nodes is moving towards our Northnode if you look at our Progressed Composite that stellium is no longer in the 8th house and is now in the 7th, Saturn is moving towards Northnode in cancer.

posted September 16, 2015 04:42 AM            

That's why the direction of a nodal square is significant. It doesn't mean your couple moves towards SN, for I haven't said some people move towards SN, I haven't considered this alternative (yet) for we all move, inevitably, towards the NN - this is the symbolism of the nodal axis. But in order to accomplish your nodal mission, as a couple, to reach your goal and life path, sometimes the scenario involves going backwards, to some sort of roots or deep inside, more likely. The "home" I am talking about doesn't have to be your childhood town or his; it's mostly a psychological state; but it can be a literal move "back home". The point is to find oneself, together with another, as lesson here. It can be something like an orphan looking for his biological parents to find himself, or accomplishing a childhood dream together, or finding a place from a previous life, or finding a set of ancient perennial values, or back to traditions, or new traditions but with perennial, time value.

Your composite is highly psychological, it is not about outer events and accomplishments (it doesn't mean they don't happen, but they are mostly a lesson or stimulus for inner work)

For comparison, this movement towards the SN as part of the nodal journey is similar in symbolism with moving towards the New Moon, the waning phase, and with this square, particularly the last quarter Moon (but all phases after Full Moon are being experienced). Whilst a New Moon (solar eclipse) and Full Moon (lunar eclipse) can happen around any of the nodes, in both cases, we may consider the SN as symbolic for the New Moon for it is the seed, the starting point of the journey, the birth, the point of darkness before the first light. And NN: the culmination, peak, and even the end, from a certain POV.

We can check the symbolism of the last quarter to understand the journey portrayed in the composite from NN to SN as major lesson for you two, under the supervision of Saturn (btw, this is a very serious, compelling, hard working, sober, dramatic composite in which there are no fast results, despite the MC T/square).

This phase is focused on a shift in consciousness and it is an inner, intimate journey, the challenge is psychological and so is the reward vs the waxing phase (moving from SN to NN) which is about direct action and outer, external challenges and rewards.

NN to SN

LAST QUARTER

The key word for the Last Quarter is readjustment. It is the hardest to identify as many of its characteristics are hidden. As the First Quarter experiences "crisis in action", the Third Quarter experiences "crisis in consciousness". Old systems and values are becoming useless. It is hard for people born at this time to relate to life in the here and now. They often appear to be living in a world of their own, when in actuality they are going through an internal process of reorientation. They will present to the world an acceptable face as they are quietly developing on the inside. At the point when their own internal self has been completed, a brand new, fully developed person emerges. This butterfly is quite different from the caterpillar it had been, and is quite the surprise to those who thought they "knew" them. These people need the time and space to find themselves. If pressured to conform, they may revolt causing others to regard them as uncooperative and rebellious. As children, they require a lot of "alone" time and may need more rest than others as they process much in their sleep and in meditative states.

Keywords: Readjustment; Correcting; Disillusionment; Elimination

SN to NN

FIRST QUARTER

The First Quarter Moon can be referred to as "crisis in action". It is a time in which the challenge is to manage the energy which is released by crisis and then to restructure it into its new form. People born during this phase are able to rise to the occasion of any emergency. They are able to make split second decisions and act on them. They have the ability to tear down old structures and to recreate new ones. They are the pioneers, the trail blazers, the hero and the heroine. It is important not to unconsciously create havoc in their lives just for the sake of excitement even though the crazier it gets, the better they get. It is likely they will create conflict in the lives of those entrenched in the status quo. You may find them working in emergency rooms and driving ambulances.

Keywords: Clearing; Action; Building

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 16, 2015 04:45 AM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted September 16, 2015 11:17 AM            

One can argue that inner transformation leads to outside changes/action. As we change inside we make changes outside.

posted September 16, 2015 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
H, I hope you don't mind my asking why you were so 'worried' about the potential movement towards the SNODE? Rather, what about 'moving towards the past' upsets you so greatly?

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Its not so much that it upsets me as more me trying to understand how it fits us but it's starting to make a lot of sense.

posted September 16, 2015 12:43 PM            

Pluto in the 7th squares the nodes with a 8th house stellium!

posted September 16, 2015 01:41 PM            

So you're welcome

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posted September 16, 2015 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hypatia, I am going to congratulate myself and say the way you describe your relationship and what you two are about to do is like repeating what I said.
That's a basic Leo principle: when someone doesn't praise you, DIY!!!!!

So you're welcome

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Lol hahaha I think you are a genius...hahaha

posted September 16, 2015 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Lol hahaha I think you are a genius...hahaha

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Thank you, Introspective Driving Girl! and you found just the perfect word to describe me, not too little, neither too much I finally feel understood hehehe

posted September 16, 2015 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Thank you, Introspective Driving Girl! and you found just the perfect word to describe me, not too little, neither too much I finally feel understood hehehe

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posted September 17, 2015 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Now you're making me blush

I have to take you seriously, it would be rude otherwise so....thank you

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posted September 17, 2015 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Auby, I am waiting to buy a book you publish. You belong on the shelves You are a very gifted writer.

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posted September 17, 2015 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I've been so swamped, Lee, but I wanted to make sure you knew how much this means to me. Indeed, I am working on it.

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posted September 17, 2015 06:18 AM            

Nailed it Leeloo, 100%:
"But in order to accomplish your nodal mission, as a couple, to reach your goal and life path, sometimes the scenario involves going backwards, to some sort of roots or deep inside, more likely. The "home" I am talking about doesn't have to be your childhood town or his; it's mostly a psychological state; but it can be a literal move "back home". The point is to find oneself, together with another, as lesson here. It can be something like an orphan looking for his biological parents to find himself, or accomplishing a childhood dream together, or finding a place from a previous life, or finding a set of ancient perennial values, or back to traditions, or new traditions but with perennial, time value."

posted September 17, 2015 06:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I've been so swamped, Lee, but I wanted to make sure you knew how much this means to me. Indeed, I am working on it.

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posted September 17, 2015 06:50 AM            

My sister is an architect and she has always wanted to build her home from scratch, with her hands no less; she has yet to do it; she is taking after my father, he was a car engineer, he once bought a Mercedes 8 seats frame and made the whole car entirely by himself, electric system, carbody and everything.

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posted September 17, 2015 06:58 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Wow that is awesome, Hypatia And I wish for both of you to accomplish your childhood dreams, your composite definitely supports that. I've always wanted an airstream!

My sister is an architect and she has always wanted to build her home from scratch, with her hands no less; she has yet to do it; she is taking after my father, he was a car engineer, he once bought a Mercedes 8 seats frame and made the whole car entirely by himself, electric system, carbody and everything.

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