posted September 28, 2015 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Really, Gabby?

I thought you experienced so much love together. But then, I can't say that we aren't forced to really grow through a false twin / karmic soulmate, and our complicated, tumultuous relationship with them. There's clearly a reason that we have to believe it, in order to be it -- I suppose.

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posted September 28, 2015 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, I was running charts to check that and 11-11 is typically scorp@19

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That's a bit spooky. It kind of also reminds me of how much confusion has surrounded the nature of Lucifer. I dunno; I don't want to get crazy here, but the more I've delved into everything, the more I'm becoming convinced of my mother's gentle warnings that there would always be 'invisible forces' working to keep humanity in the dark. She wasn't even speaking from Christian archetypes; she was very vague, but clear that these are 'destructive and negative energies', which she herself has personally battled (for a client) decades ago.

I had the terrible sinking feeling that certain benevolent forces were being corrupted. That, some things which are otherwise intrinsically 'good' were being used in more nefarious ways. I know! I know. It sounds insane. Ugh. I can hardly believe I'm thinking it.

But everything that I've learnt from my twin ... about influence, and the ways in which the public is deceived; sometimes, it's genuinely for good -- as in the case of the military running a campaign to urge citizens to flee an area before ground troops arrive, or worse -- it's bombed. He has personal feelings about this, having been a psychological operations officer. He's been behind the curtain, as it were, and he does not like it. He's not too keen on the military anymore, either. A part of him feels horribly betrayed by the way they haven't upheld their own values; gone against their own principles.

One of the things that taught me was how otherwise positive imagery can be twisted and warped into propaganda for destructive purposes. And, in that fleeting moment, something said, 'what if that's already happening?' And I didn't want it to be true, but I'm so cautious now. I'm just being so aware of everything. Some days, I feel I can only trust my instinct, and my soul. Too much else has been 'repurposed' or led me astray.

posted September 28, 2015 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
We did and still do but id like to have someone in my life more permanently....

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Yeah. I absolutely hear you. And, eventually, that's why I let it go -- why I let him go. My 'twin' gave up; he hurt me so, so deeply, acting out of fear and running from everything. I was so confused. I honestly didn't know what I was supposed to do. All I could do, it seemed, was seek answers -- or rewrite the question. So, I chose me. I chose to become a better person. I chose to help my husband become a better person, too.

And, when the dust settled, I noticed my best friend was still there, and he told me of how he'd never once stopped loving me, but hadn't been ready to become the complete person he'd long ago given up on ever being. And he chose to do as I had: dedicate himself to trying.

That was the decision that changed everything. To this day, my false twin / karmic soulmate has admitted that he doesn't see the value in ever changing who he is; that he can't love, and he doesn't really want to. While it hurt so much, to feel that I had to let him go, to let him fail, I couldn't deny that my actual twin was right there, throughout everything, just loving me, and expecting nothing in return.

And when he came to me, a new light in his eyes and told me he wanted to become the sort of person that could finally put behind all that was preventing him from being all he could be, that was when I decided against labels, destiny, and what-have-you. I went in the direction of the love.

Heh. I should've realised, that is probably the truest 'sign' of all.

posted September 29, 2015 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Oh, are you just speaking generally, Orange?

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posted October 01, 2015 09:50 AM            

This composite has been recently identified by IQ as being probably of false twins.

please notice the moon at 19 scorpio, ascendant on fixed star beta draconis and mercury at 29 capricorn.
111111 is at 11 cancer, conjunct lucifer..

hope this contributes to the research.

Love
Tuileries

posted October 01, 2015 10:09 AM            

I just feel like reminding everyone again the concept of Twinflames is based on Plato's myth meant to explain the origin of romantic love: it is a metaphor meant to describe our longing for the other and the existence of a perfect mate for everyone.

I strongly reject the attempts to use this wonderful myth as explanation for unhappy failed romantic relationships. There can't be such a thing as a "false" twin, sorry just our understandable, yet unrealistic attempt to identify everyone we like at a certain point as being our TF and then realizing they're not; but this is obvious in the chart from the beginning, if we're looking for the right markers.

Only the interpretation can be "false", not the Twin.

Welcome, Tuileries

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted October 01, 2015 11:04 AM            

Exactly.

I also find that by calling them "false twins" we devaluate a person or relationship.
I have often seen this term being used for describing close soulmates, who were being thought of as twinflames initially, and then after time passes by, they are being "demoted" to "false twinflames".

While it may be true, that they weren`t twinflames to begin with, I feel by adding the adjective "false" we do a lot of damage to whatever good they brought into each other`s lives, and I suppose they were there for a reason.

Another thing, I know that the 19-20 degrees of Scorpio have been traditionally viewed as the most malefic point in the zodiac, stemming at least from medieval astrology, possibly even sooner. I once read a reasoning for it as well.
It is the "accursed degree", Serpentis, and does not precess

Well, okay, whatever. Seriously, are we SERIOUSLY basing the conclusion of a whole synastry or composite on the existence of ONE SINGLE DEGREE?

posted October 01, 2015 11:05 AM            

Virgos (a.k.a as brilliant minds) think alike You're welcome, babe!

posted October 01, 2015 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Tuileries:
Hi Leelo,

as "false" twins i would describe a relation
where there is interference from entities. this concept has been described as the "Alien love bite" or "romantic Engineering". One Person is targeted through
a romantic Partner which is host to a negative
entity. All the psychic phenomena, synchronicities, shared dreams etc are caused
by the entity who is feeding off the energy
of the target Person. mental Images and Feelings ranging from bliss to despair can also be induced.
I am not very well-versed in astrology, so just from viewing the Composite it was not obvious for me that something was wrong.

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Is this from Buffy? I haven't watched TV in a long time.
On a more serious note, viewing the Composite without the synastry is a bad idea in the first place.

As for what you describe, the problem in most cases is that you see ONE person coming to the astrologer claiming some crush is a Twin (unless the astrologer herself or himself feeds this idea in people's heads, and it unfortunately happens, sometimes) and not the two people together. And the phenomena you describe is experienced by that ONE person only (dreams, so called synchronicities etc). That's when you know instantly you're probably not dealing with a TF story.

You need to have a COUPLE coming to the astrologer to discuss TFs or not Until then, the discussion is out of place, at least to me.

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AstroMandala

posted October 01, 2015 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What exactly is a "false" twin?
They are either Twinflames or not. If as astrologers we haven't learned to identify Twinflames yet, assuming they exist, it doesn't mean someone can be a "false" twin.

I just feel like reminding everyone again the concept of Twinflames is based on Plato's myth meant to explain the origin of romantic love: it is a metaphor meant to describe our longing for the other and the existence of a perfect mate for everyone.

I strongly reject the attempts to use this wonderful myth as explanation for unhappy failed romantic relationships. There can't be such a thing as a "false" twin, sorry just our understandable, yet unrealistic attempt to identify everyone we like at a certain point as being our TF and then realizing they're not; but this is obvious in the chart from the beginning, if we're looking for the right markers.

Only the interpretation can be "false", not the Twin.

Welcome, Tuileries

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posted October 01, 2015 11:33 AM            

Just paraphrasing what I`ve read.

posted October 01, 2015 11:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
As for the "love bite", it`s actually not from "Buffy", but it`s the belief that Aliens have not only tempered with our DNA (back in Sumeria most possibly- bringing the Annunaki to mind), but orchestrated certain "bloodlines" to procreate, or otherwise, program the love-bite, for the purpose of, if not procreation to create more human slaves, then possibly feeding of the emotional energy that the high emotional trauma of unrequited love or other relational dramas create.
And some other things.

Just paraphrasing what I`ve read.

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posted October 01, 2015 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Leeloo,

Exactly.

I also find that by calling them "false twins" we devaluate a person or relationship.
I have often seen this term being used for describing close soulmates, who were being thought of as twinflames initially, and then after time passes by, they are being "demoted" to "false twinflames".

While it may be true, that they weren`t twinflames to begin with, I feel by adding the adjective "false" we do a lot of damage to whatever good they brought into each other`s lives, and I suppose they were there for a reason.

Another thing, I know that the 19-20 degrees of Scorpio have been traditionally viewed as the most malefic point in the zodiac, stemming at least from medieval astrology, possibly even sooner. I once read a reasoning for it as well.
It is the "accursed degree", Serpentis, and does not precess

Well, okay, whatever. Seriously, are we SERIOUSLY basing the conclusion of a whole synastry or composite on the existence of ONE SINGLE DEGREE?

And just for the record I like that degree. Especially the Sabian.

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I agree with all of the above, actually; down to the 'wait, what? ONE SINGLE DEGREE?' statement. It's more something that could be a make-or-break in something. When iQ sat down with a fine-toothed comb, he was able to make the final determination -- extremely carefully. I think it made us both a bit leery to 'pronounce anyone twin flames'. As well it should, too.

Apparently, if all other things persist, THAT could be the deciding factor. Maybe. We're not sure yet. It's all in the infancy stages, Ceri.

I've also said the same in regards to the 'false twin phenomenon'. I think there's a LOT we're missing here. I might be able to blow the whole thing wide open, soon. I think God and aliens -- while potentially present -- have really just been clouding the issue. It may be far more simple than that.

posted October 01, 2015 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It may be far more simple than that.

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posted October 01, 2015 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, it is.

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posted October 01, 2015 04:02 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
What exactly is a "false" twin?
They are either Twinflames or not. If as astrologers we haven't learned to identify Twinflames yet, assuming they exist, it doesn't mean someone can be a "false" twin.

I just feel like reminding everyone again the concept of Twinflames is based on Plato's myth meant to explain the origin of romantic love: it is a metaphor meant to describe our longing for the other and the existence of a perfect mate for everyone.

I strongly reject the attempts to use this wonderful myth as explanation for unhappy failed romantic relationships. There can't be such a thing as a "false" twin, sorry just our understandable, yet unrealistic attempt to identify everyone we like at a certain point as being our TF and then realizing they're not; but this is obvious in the chart from the beginning, if we're looking for the right markers.

Only the interpretation can be "false", not the Twin.

Welcome, Tuileries

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posted October 01, 2015 04:21 PM            

And who is IQ to to be the final decision maker in whether or not two people are TF's??!!! Don't get me wrong, he is EXTREMELY knowledgeable and I respect his work greatly! I have even had multiple consults with him. But to say he's the end all be all??!! Really??!! Acknowledging without even having the second person present or confirming the other signs/symptoms??!! Absolutely ridiculous. You either are or your aren't...the two people involved should be able to eventually come to this conclusion solely based on their experience of mutual unconditional love for eachother and some GUIDANCE from the professionals....notice I didn't say a final confirmation. We're on the brink of the Age of Aquarius people, the time when TF's are supposed to re-unite to change the world. All of this research is still in it's infancy. We are no where near knowing for sure who are twins and who aren't, even with astrology. Yes, it can help give us clues but I don't believe it can give you a final confirmation. Too much more is involved in the experience..

posted October 01, 2015 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
" When iQ sat down with a fine-toothed comb, he was able to make the final determination -- extremely carefully. I think it made us both a bit leery to 'pronounce anyone twin flames'."

And who is IQ to to be the final decision maker in whether or not two people are TF's??!!!

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Just for me. That was based purely on a gut-level reaction, and a number of things that indicated he was an integral part of my own journey, and would be immensely helpful going forward. Plus, the work that he's done in regards to exploring twin flames astrologically can obviously not be discounted.

posted October 01, 2015 04:34 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Besides, you can't confirm "false twins" (which I don't agree with that label either) until you can confirm "true twins" and In my honest opinion, no one has been able to do that yet on a consistent basis.

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