posted October 07, 2015 04:32 AM            

I see threads all the time about what transits occur to your natal when these life events happen, but wondered what transits happened to your COMPOSITE when you were proposed to/proposed (resulting in engagement), got pregnant, etc.

posted October 07, 2015 05:01 AM            

Well, looks like tMOON was conjunct our 12H SUN-SATURN-VENUS when my husband suddenly kissed me, leading to our dynamics rapidly changing. Prior to that, I didn't even have a clue he was attracted to me!

The tSUN, tVENUS and tMERC were going through the composite 8H. tSAT was coming up on our ASC, too.

... Wow!

tMARS was exactly conjunct VENUS, with tVALENTINE on EROS in our composite -- when I met my boyfriend! And tKARMA was 3° from being conjunct the composite KARMA. That is really wild -- and a bit surprising.

Oh, wait -- no it isn't. About a month prior, we became engaged. So, that actually makes some sense.

As for my boyfriend's and my composite at our meeting, tVENUS and tSUN were conjunct composite MOON-EROS; wow -- that makes a lot of sense. Then tVALENTINE was approaching composite VALENTINE, with tJUNO-tEROS entering composite 7H. tNNODE on cMOON on the day.

Something interesting is the tVENUS opposite tMARS, and how it was conjunct MOON-EROS (on the Venus side) with tMARS opposite. It's an intriguing configuration, given the EROS-PSYCHE opposition, and tMARS being conjunct PSYCHE, with tVENUS on EROS-MOON. But our composite SUN is too far out of orb to be involved. Though, it would be hitting that spot in a couple of weeks.

Very cool.

posted October 07, 2015 05:16 AM            

I would definitely expect to see something hit Valentine in the composite, or have tValentine hit aspects of the composite, for the big love moments, so that definitely seems to ring true in your experiences.

LOVE that you added when you were first kissed - those are obvious turning points, so yes I'd be interested in hearing all those too from people!

The night I met my current bf was also the night he kissed me for the first time haha. He was hooked right away (I was almost scared of this, but very drawn to him).

That night we had Jupiter and moon transiting our 7th composite, t Pluto conjunct Venus and sun almost exactly (interesting - we also slept together shortly after our first date; I think no more than 2 weeks after haha), and Amor was right on our Venus too (trining, at 0), aw.

posted October 07, 2015 10:41 AM            

And yes, a 7th house Juno presence could definitely be telling. Then again so could many house positions of Juno depending on the nature of the commitment and the specific conditions of the partnership... would be very interested to hear data from people regarding timing of conceptions and births, specifically notable transits to composites at those times.

It will always be so individual for... individuals, which things are triggered natally at the time of a birth (when my daughter was born t. Pluto was conjunct my Moon, for instance; telling, but not universally observable by any means, and also coinciding a year later with my father's passing--big changes for family/emotionally for me), but there are common threads (involvement of the moon) and I imagine the same for composite. I'll look at the composite with my daughter's father at the time of birth but that didn't take place in the context of a committed partnership, so that will show. The date of conception though, I think will be very interesting. I'll get back to you..

Also look at Juno's position in the progressed composite, and aspects by transit to that of course.. when I got together with my last partner progressed Juno was conjunct the progressed Vertex and it certainly felt fated that we should be committed in that way for a time. The progressed composite has of course changed quite a bit since then! I find the progressed composite and transits to it a very reliable indicator of conditions in the relationship. You can basically read it like a book.

posted October 07, 2015 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
But, for instance... would it work to say that something 'marital' or commitment-y could happy when tJuno conjuncts composite Juno? Or when tValentine conjuncts composite Saturn or something?

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I would definitely expect to see something commitment-y happening if t. JUNO were conjunct composite Juno, yes. I would be surprised if this transit didn't substantially deepen and cement the relationship's commitment level. I would expect to see people moving in together, getting married, or just feeling very secure in the solidity of the commitment.

posted October 07, 2015 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
TRvertex was conjunct our composite venus the weekend of the eclipse, which was when my guy asked me to start looking for a house for us.

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congratulations on that development! Sounds like a nice weekend.

tr. Vertex moves just as quickly as transiting ascendant though, yes? So we'd be looking for to-the-minute aspects from transiting vertex. Still, could very well be a significant moment!

By contrast, the progressed vertex stays put for longer.

For moving in together, check aspects to the composite IC, composite moon, dispositor of the moon, the 2nd house and ruler thereof(?), the 4th house, ruler of the 4th, and.. hmm.. what else? Anyone? Asteroid House, number 4950, might be significant. Juno certainly. Saturn and Mars have to do with real estate I believe. 8th house will indicate joining of resources/sharing finances and stuff.

When the actual move happens significant aspects should be ripening...

posted October 07, 2015 01:38 PM            

Tr. Venus was EXACTLY conj. our DC and exactly trine our composite Juno

Tr. Saturn was exactly trine our Juno and transit Mars was opp. our DC ruler (separating...indication for our impending divorce??) and Tr. Uranus was separating from our DC ruler (at 3' but I couldn't help but notice...)

posted October 07, 2015 02:03 PM            

When my boyfriend and I established the relationship we have now, tJUNO was on our composite MOON.

But, years before, when we were exploring a relationship for only a short while before I married (out of convenience), tGRAVES was conjunct the composite MOON the day he ended it. Very suddenly, too.

It's ... strange, and exceptionally quirky.

I'd read the most beautiful, heartrending bit of fan-fiction from a young author; the subject had become something of a cult phenomenon thanks to the real-life relationship between the Disneyland face character actors portraying Alice and the Hatter. A Los Angeles creative professional started scoping them out at Disneyland and penned a comic called 'When Curiosity Met Insanity'. I'd always found it endearing. But this particular story -- this bit of mere fan-fiction -- it said what I lacked the courage to.

In short, the adult Alice has been living in Wonderland for an undefined time; her complex relationship with the Hatter is just as undefined, though the author does a fine job conveying to the reader the emotional tone and context of it. But never had I before seen anyone capture this character in such depth -- brave enough to go beyond the happy-go-lucky mask, delve beneath the flippant eccentricity, into the heart of a truly troubled individual.

And she did just that. And I adored it.

So, as their relationship has remained in this bizarrely engine-is-engaged-but-stuck-in-neutral position, Alice has decided to go back to England.

And get married. Evidently, she has a perfectly ordinary, stable, and conservative fiance -- awaiting her return, we suppose. (What happens later, her wedding, isn't included here; it's simply in another story.) So, it's never mentioned -- everything clearly being allegory for the complicated business of the aftermath of infatuation, when one's partner is emotionally unavailable.

I'll share the excerpt, as it conveys everything far better than I feel that I can:

He was lost in his own world, and for a time, Alice had contently joined him there. She now felt as if she was watching life through a looking glass unable to fully experience it. It was much too difficult to live as a spectator. So many things were lost when one could only dream and imagine. He never seemed to notice any of these things, having this odd ability to ignore any problem with a youthful innocence. Alice knew that deep down he was not naïve, but he played it so convincingly. Sometimes he reminded her of a child with a shiny new toy, but she did not want to be his shiny new toy anymore. She wanted to be so much more. Unfortunately, she didn't think he would be able to give her that now.

'I know you must have noticed that something has been different lately," she continued. 'I know now isn't exactly the perfect moment to say this, but I couldn't exactly call any moment the perfect opportunity.' He still did not reply, and Alice almost feared to continue speaking. She knew that something dark lurked within him, but she had never experienced it directly before and was reluctant to be the spark to unleash it. Still, she did not know what else to do and continued on anyway. Sometimes being near him was like having a loaded pistol in one's mouth and liking the taste of metal.

His eyes were now looking directly into her own, and she did not know what to make of the hollow expression that resided within them. 'Are you listening?'

'Did you say something?'

She knew he had heard her. There had been no way that he could've avoided it, but like always, he was content to ignore her. Alice sighed and tried once more.

'Yes, I said that I was going home.'

'Well, I suppose if you must,' he replied. 'I'll be happy to escort you.'

He moved to stand, but Alice sadly shook her head. This caused another quick grimace to cross his features, and she knew in that moment that he knew exactly what was happening.

'No,' she answered. 'That's not what I meant.' He did not respond, but instead picked up a nearby teacup and sipped noisily from it. Alice did not know whether to speak again or wait for him to break the silence. She decided to wait, and it was several minutes before he said or did anything.

Then, with the same hollow eyes, he set down his teacup and smiled. 'Well, my dear," he began, "if you would like to walk home in the dark, be my guest, but don't complain tomorrow if you find the trip less than satisfactory.' Another smile crossed his face, but it was unlike any smile he had given her before. It was lacking everything that made him him, and briefly, Alice wondered if maybe she was making the wrong decision.

Could it be possible that he really did care for her on a deeper level? Maybe she misunderstood him just as much as she felt he misunderstood her.

'I'm leaving for England in the morning.'

'I'm afraid I won't be able to join you,' he said quietly. 'Will you be gone long?'

'… I won't be coming back,' she replied.

'Oh,' he said. 'Well, in that case, I suppose I won't need to make anymore raspberry tarts then. I was always content with lemon, you know.'

Alice, once again, did not know how to respond. Instead, she stared at him with wide eyes as he poured another cup of tea, downed it in one gulp, and then slammed the cup onto the table. Little pieces of broken china scattered everywhere, but he didn't flinch. Rather, he simply picked up another cup and carried on as though nothing had happened.

... Wow.

I remember being completely blown away by it; that this young woman had some strange insight into my own life -- or, more logically, had read my own work. And, in that moment, I saw us. In which case, seeing something so 'personal', displayed in such a fashion ... it was stunning. I was compelled to share it with him, having NO idea it would be the thing to destroy whatever we'd managed so haphazardly to build.

And right before my eyes, he changed. Apparently, 'message received' -- and it was not having the impact I'd wanted it to. He shielded himself from any true accountability, reversing a classic: it wasn't him, it was me. He couldn't be with me -- not really. That he was intentionally holding himself back from me. He's not emotionally unavailable, you see, he's purposefully withholding from me!

And, of course, 'it took that moment for him to realise it, as it never even crossed his mind before.'

He'd shut away from me completely, in a matter of seconds. It was a fatal blow, and I still had no idea why it happened. Not yet. And I wouldn't understand the karmic nature of it for years, either. But we'd both be certain of one thing together: we never wanted it to happen again. Ever. 'The black period', he calls it, or simply 'the dark times'. Dark times, indeed. I never knew someone could be both so madly in love with another and equally refusing to acknowledge or accept it. And I never imagined two people could both nurture each other through their own breakup. Somehow, we did it -- with plenty of dramatic uncharacteristic moments in tow: a bouquet of white roses (he, oddly, knows Victorian floriography) which would prompt my spontaneously performing the old Tiffany song 'Could've Been' in the karaoke lounge when I thought no one was paying attention -- and I couldn't have fathomed that would be the bloody moment he'd arrive -- early -- to pick me up for something we were already committed to -- God knows.

His usual calm, collected, or painted-on happy-face mask was certainly not present then, much as he was in protestation of the opposite

And yet! -- nothing would change. We'd spiral like this, returning to centre, only to unravel once more -- again and again for months. As he fought against it 'on principle', and I told him to stop being so bloody sad about something he himself did.

Ohhh, it was a mess.

Looking at the transits to our composite now, I can't help but, well, marvel ....

tSUN was 0º square cSUN.
tNNODE conjunct HATTA / tSNODE conjunct LIDDELL (1º) (wow!)
tHATTA 0º conjunct PLUTO square tNODES / HATTA-LIDDELL (man, it was all over the place!)

tALICE conjunct GRAVES
tGRAVES conjunct ALICE

... WTF!

tVALENTINE conjunct MARS (0º) and square ALICE

... And tCHIRON opposite SUN (2º)

Ahhh. There it is.

tMADHATTER-tKARMA was 0º conjunct, as we were having a tJUNO conjunct JUNO (trine 0º).

We needed to go through that. Something had to force him to act on principle that would hurt us deeply, but make him confront how his own decision, followed blindly and adhered to with equal conviction, really felt in the aftermath.

Almost as if he had to endure it, too. As he'd later say of it, 'some of our deepest wounds are self-inflicted,' and, of course, give me a wink. As if I wouldn't grok exactly what he meant. Ohhh. I had.

So, looking at the transits to the composite, I can see exactly how, and why. Not to mention what I'd always suspected: that it was karmically-driven, and he'd have to decide against his own principles, if we were to ever recover from 'the loop' we've been in.

posted October 07, 2015 02:25 PM            

This past weekend my SO basically told me he has been thinking about marrying me (But he isn't sure about traditional marriage, so the convo was more like 'I love you very much and I have thought about it, and the downside is just I'm not sure how I feel about traditional marriage'). Is a long story, but to say the least, it was a major first in terms of our relationship. He's been much more vocal over the last week or so about things he definitely never used to be cool talking about (Cap Sun, Scorpio venus. Lots of fears about trust, etc.)

Anyway, I looked at what's been going on and we have a clusterf*** of transit Sun, Mercury, Juno and NN all on top of our composite moon in the 9th. (9th for us makes sense bc he is from a different culture and most of his family is from a far away country that I really don't identify with, but we unite on our emotional level entirely).

At the same time, tSaturn is conjunct our composite Juno, and will be conjunct our composite Saturn next. (It is currently sextiling Juno at 0 degrees.)

So, I'm interpreting this + our discussions lately with perhaps being because we're both thinking strongly about this relationship moving forward and we're both finally vocalizing those things, maybe?

posted October 07, 2015 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
These are such AMAZING responses!!

This past weekend my SO basically told me he has been thinking about marrying me (But he isn't sure about traditional marriage, so the convo was more like 'I love you very much and I have thought about it, and the downside is just I'm not sure how I feel about traditional marriage'). Is a long story, but to say the least, it was a major first in terms of our relationship.

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Do you want to marry him?

posted October 07, 2015 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
These are such AMAZING responses!!

I don't expect engagement from this man for awhile given the family craziness, but I've been surprised at his sudden expressions of love, since before he was very hard to crack on the commitment stuff.

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posted October 07, 2015 02:42 PM            

My yes reaction is really not the norm in me. I have always been a relatively free spirit and my parents had a rocky marriage that taught me a lot about how badly it can go. But I've felt very at ease with the idea of marrying him for a long time.

The mental (non-gut) activity side of all this is definitely that his family scares the bejeezus out of me.

posted October 07, 2015 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
@moonstruck, what is your take on the transits?? Just curious; are they funny in that they're weird, or how they may impact things?

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It's just so ironic to me how much we can see thru the transits...lol

posted October 07, 2015 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
It's just so ironic to me how much we can see thru the transits...lol

I hate thinking that it's like fated but it's also really beautiful how they trigger different events/feelings/themes in our lives Astrology never ceases to amaze me!

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Totally agree. I am really new to astrology - it's not as much my thing as it is my sister's (she does chart readings for pretty much everyone we know, and they are always stellar).

So, transit study has been a very new thing, as well as understanding synastry and composites. The more I learn about how things are activated, the more fascinating it becomes.

This is just another example.

It all makes sense to me because, really, these transits are POTENTIALS - we still obviously have tons of freedom to decide what we will do about them. Ties back to all religious study I've done too.

ANYHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......

posted October 07, 2015 04:00 PM            

BTW his Trule lilith-juno-saturn all conjunct my SUN.

posted October 07, 2015 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My husband and I met and got involved while Transit Saturn was conjuncting both of our VENUS.

BTW his Trule lilith-juno-saturn all conjunct my SUN.

We married when Transit Jupiter was conjuncting my JUNO.

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posted October 07, 2015 04:08 PM            

T Pluto square 7R (EXACT)..........
T Saturn square Jupiter, our Composite ruler by less than 1 degree...

posted October 07, 2015 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
This is the opposite but I got interested in what transits were happening in my ex-husband and I's composite chart for the day our divorce was finalized...

T Pluto square 7R (EXACT)..........
T Saturn square Jupiter, our Composite ruler by less than 1 degree...

crazyyyyyyyyy

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wowza....

posted October 07, 2015 04:39 PM            

I can't ... I just can't even.

So, I was looking up the day that my husband and I married (we only had an actual wedding, about a month later, because it seemed like we should).

I couldn't help but notice the exact conjunction:

tGRIEVE conjunct cMADHATTER.

... ON HIS natal tropical SUN.

(And, of course, my TISIPHONE/LACHESIS, but that's another kettle of fish.)

I saw that and ... God, my heart just ...

Everything following the wedding was just a blur for months. Or, as my mother would later say of me, 'I made a very convincing facsimile of a human being, but I was on vacation from planet Earth.' I know that time passed, and I wasn't just dropped into another eigenstate, but I honestly have no memory of those months. None. I was somehow simultaneously both a new bride and a widow. It was ... bizarre.

My ring didn't even fit properly, so it was always flying off of my finger. None of the paper work for my actual name change went through, either. Except for one: my social security. The entire purpose of getting married was for the name change anyway. Long bloody story.

Everything felt wrong. Nothing changed for my husband now that we were married, either. Nothing but the presence of rings on our fingers, and the fact that my stepdaughter was now able to officially refer to me as her stepmom. She was the light in that weird, dark haze that had descended upon my life.

Not much else to report on our composite, either. tJUNO was travelling with tLEWISCARROLL, and conjunct our cHATTA -- which is exactly the degree of my boyfriend's and my composite JUNO-VALENTINE. Meanwhile, tVALENTINE is conjunct our cLEWISCARROLL, and hitting a sensitive spot in my own tropical natal.

The tMADHATTER-tKARMA was still conjunct, 1º, and squaring our cNODES across the 2H/8H.

Ohh, Universe -- could you've been any louder?

My husband had already shown his true colours, and I'm not one to break a serious commitment. And I could never break her heart -- she needed me. Desperately. So, while I knew I was doing the 'wrong' thing, it was also what I had to do.

I'd called my boyfriend, on the way back from the courthouse in Ventura County -- the only place which could issue same-day marriage certificates.

It was a long, long drive. And it felt infinitely longer on the return trip. Even as I had a shiny new name, and could now officially accept the job I'd been offered, which would, I thought, make all of the disparate pieces in my life fall into place. I'd be a responsible 9-to-5'er, and could become the wife my husband expected of me, and forget about who I really was. It was too complicated to be that.

I'd even worn white, to try and mark something of the occasion; just a blouse and crepe skirt with a little knit cardigan. I was getting married, for God's sake. And Decembers in Los Angeles are always rather warm. This was a surprisingly cold one.

The drive was beautiful; we set out very early, for an intended arrival before 8:00, so the sunrise was just resolving, and everything was bathed in that gold of magic hour. All of the trees turning, and a panoply of colour everywhere.

I had to share it with him.

He responded, after an hour or more, that the drive along the 101 was lovely, indeed.

And ... that was it.

No, there was no doubt that my Hatter was grieving. And I had no other choice but to let him, and continue putting one foot in front of the other -- which is the way he'd much later describe that time, when I'd had the gumption to finally ask. He 'didn't recall much of it'; and was clearly alive, but 'only barely'. And then, as usual, a simple grin to round off the subject -- a kind of physical punctuation that's a known habit of his. A polite way of extricating himself from any further continuation of the conversation.

And I couldn't blame him. At all.

There's another date which is of significance to us -- outside of the more obvious ones.

15 April, for whatever reason, is a very pivotal day for me, either marking beginnings or endings in relationships. In 2000, an ending. In 2008, a beginning. It was anybody's guess what it'd be in 2011.

Let's start with the transits; that could be a nice change.

We immediately notice a bizarre pile-up: everything transiting in Pisces and Aries -- especially late Aries.

Of special note: tALICE and tMADHATTER were finally in the same sign, but there would be miles to go before they were conjunct.

Here's what was exactly going on.

tSUN conjunct tALICE (0º) conjunct cVERTEX-cCHIRON (0º)

tMADHATTER-tGRAVES square tGRIEVE conjunct cHATTA (0º) opposite cLIDDELL (0º), with tLIDDELL 0º conjunct tSNODE --

with an exact reverse return of the NODES in our composite!

tNNODE was 0º conjunct cSNODE, with tSNODE 0º conjunct cNNODE!

tVALENTINE was 0º square our composite JUNO-VALENTINE conjunction.

tGRIEVE was still conjunct our cHATTA, (0º) -- interestingly, not MADHATTER, (as it is in my composite with my husband) -- but tCHIRON was making a 1º trine to the painful conjunction -- and tPLUTO a sextile.

He had to make a decision that day -- because I already had.

I was, essentially, leaving.

It'd been a complicated six months. I wasn't about to shelve the show or recast -- but I couldn't take it anymore. Sometimes merely being near him was excruciating. It's one thing when love is unrequited; it's your issue to manage. It's another when they're breaking inside just as much as you are, but are stubbornly refusing to do anything about it. I'd had enough near outbursts -- thanks to this or that scene getting just a bit too close to the truth, and blowing things apart. Or moments of suddenly realising you're a little too close together in proximity -- an elbow touching here, shoe leather brushing heel there -- it becomes a nightmare to try and keep everything 'proper'.

I explained that I wasn't about to be petty and have this impact the show, or the importance he'd taken on in my stepdaughter's life. But, for my own sanity, I needed to opt out of outings on the Fourth, movie nights, and being his sanctuary from having to hit the 405 (ask any Angeleno, and they'll tell you how much we hate this expressway) back to Burbank after filming at Sony or Paramount (which is nearer to me than him).

He didn't play dumb this time. But then I'd also intended my long, painfully honest email to be a genuine swan song, for what had been the most beautiful and complex relationship of my life, at that point. It wasn't an ultimatum. I sent it with the legitimate intention of letting go; I felt that I could -- that I'd steeled myself sufficiently. I'd learnt to relinquish the idle hopes and forgive the deeper betrayals.

I was just purely and simply letting him go.

It was in the morning on a weekend. My stepdaughter was engaged in some activity online, and my husband not awake yet. I'd fixed us both breakfast before she got occupied, and then I sat down to write it. At the half-hour mark, I was done. Everything felt strange, but I told myself it'd been building within me for awhile. Anything would feel better than this limbo.

I sent it -- and wouldn't give it another moment of regret, or second of uncertainty. And ... I didn't. I took a deep breath, and inhaled the future -- whatever it was to bring. It seemed easier, in the short-term, and, may've just been the last piece of the puzzle: my giving him 'permission' to go forth and find the one he claimed I'd given him the inspiration to even consider looking for; the one who could love him totally -- so that he could feel a sense of 'being theirs', with them 'being his' as well. And I wanted that for him. Truly. And at the time, I didn't know what was genuinely anything yet. What we were, or capable of -- anything.

I wasn't even sure if he was going to reply -- or not for days, at least. He did, though -- and before noon.

I'd closed it with saying that I love him deeply, and always will, but that I also wish that he loved me more than his principles. And, for that, I grieve.

He called the situation zugzwang, which I already knew was a term from chess -- very familiar with it. In essence, he was 'morally in checkmate'. 'Severing the relationship is completely out of the question'. And so, he decided the only option remaining was for him to do what he absolutely refused to -- his entire life thus far -- in any circumstance. To bend his own rules -- the ones that govern him so strictly, guiding his every action; to which he was completely beholden -- until that day.

While it would take more time and effort to truly establish the relationship we have now, which wouldn't come until 2013 -- 2.5 years later -- the seeds were sown that day, without question.

He did the one thing he'd sworn never to do, which had kept him -- us both -- locked in this crazy loop for God only knows how truly long. He freed us both that day.

And, wow, just a glance at the transits to our composite -- everything is clear. Including the completion of the karmic cycle, with the conjunction of tNNODE to SNODE, and vice versa, 0º10.

Wow.

Thank you -- again, for this. Heh. I swear I'm done now. That was the last little bit I really wanted to review; the transits to both on the day I married, and the day that we were 'freed' from the karmic loop.

posted October 07, 2015 04:50 PM            

I'm not used to asteroids yet, so some of these I'm less familiar with. What I understand sharply is the timing and the orbs/ angles you're describing. How amazing.