posted October 07, 2015 06:24 AM            

Trying to wrap my head around asteroids, and I'm finding myself in the following conundrum:

What if Person A and Person B are in a relationship, and Person A has Amor conj. B's DC, Valentine conj. B's venus, Alma conj. B's AC, and so on and so forth... BUT, person B's Amor, Valentine, Alma (and all other love asteroids) are NOT aspecting A person. Other synastry between planets is relatively strong and mutually aspecting between the two, otherwise, but there is no strong Juno relationship between charts either.

In this case, is person A feeling person B as a major soul mate, with Person B feeling perhaps happy with him/her, but not returning the same intensity?

OR, is person B hit more strongly FROM person A's asteroids?

OR... is it mutual?

This seems to be specified in asteroid descriptions I'm finding, ex: the Valentine discussion we have had on other threads - valentine person being the one very purely in love with the Venus person.

posted October 07, 2015 11:03 AM            

If there are positive connections between the classical planets I don't think it will necessarily be a lopsided relationship, there are so many asteroids not being taken into account which could have personal significance for both people.

posted October 07, 2015 02:37 PM            

The Juno part of this combo confuses me, and yes, Juno is strong in composite, so it's a little odd that with so many soul mate signs in the synastry, the Juno part is kinda missing.

HOWEVER, I'm also not great at reading what makes some things strong and others not.

For instance, in this chart, Juno in person B's chart is in person A's sunsign, which could mean that B is looking for someone like A to marry, correct? Also worth noting is that Juno in B's chart is also conjunct ANGEL and UNION, so all three of those are in the house of the Sun sign of A. B's Juno is also exactly (0.00) sextiling A's Venus.

Same goes for A, actually - Juno is conjunct ANGEL and ALMA in A's chart, however, Juno is not conjunct any of B's planets.

So would that make for stronger Juno in synastry?

posted October 07, 2015 05:54 PM            

Sounds like a spiritual couple, both having Juno-Angel means there will be a composite Juno-Angel conjunction as well. That's very cute... it also portends protection and guidance where love relationships are concerned for both parties and for the couple. There's a strong resonance there.

have you checked whether there are conjunctions from either chart to either person's natal Juno's antiscia/contrascia? Choose Munich Rhythm Method in additional charts on astro and then open the pdf with the tables... the second page will show the antiscia and contrascia of each planet. You're looking for conjunctions/oppositions to natal planets or points within one degree, or 1.5 maybe.

posted October 07, 2015 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Juno in the same sun sign could lend compatibility--or not, depending on countless other chart factors which would take more precedence.

Sounds like a spiritual couple, both having Juno-Angel means there will be a composite Juno-Angel conjunction as well. That's very cute... it also portends protection and guidance where love relationships are concerned for both parties and for the couple. There's a strong resonance there.

have you checked whether there are conjunctions from either chart to either person's natal Juno's antiscia/contrascia? Choose Munich Rhythm Method in additional charts on astro and then open the pdf with the tables... the second page will show the antiscia and contrascia of each planet. You're looking for conjunctions/oppositions to natal planets or points within one degree, or 1.5 maybe.

Still, overall, if the only major aspect from either Juno is a sextile to Venus, I wouldn't say Juno is strong in this synastry.

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AW yup there is angel/juno exact conjunction in composite, which also hits the MC and Mercury exactly at 0 degrees.

Synastry actually has more juno to planet than i realized, but not sure how to determine if it is good - person B has Juno squaring A's moon (wide orb) in addition to the Juno/Venus exact sextile. Person A's Juno sextiles B's Saturn closely, and Quintiles B's uranus exactly.

Is that any better tho?

I actually should change the name of this thread to "Wonderful soulful composite/ synastry but then... Light Juno?"

posted October 07, 2015 06:42 PM            

Juno quintile Uranus suggests to me that this is a relationship which can stand a very unusual pattern of relating, or one which actually doesn't follow any particular pattern but is a very exciting ride. They will creatively navigate the reality that things are unpredictable or very unusual between them as a couple. This leads me to believe she wouldn't be especially fazed by the Juno info haha.. if you explained it well. Would be interested to know more Uranus aspects.

Definitely no reason to tell her it's a hopeless union. A juno-Venus sextile is a nice thing to see.. all of this suggests a subtle but active possibility for ease of negotiation within the context of partnership with one another, and a creative edge to their relating which keeps things healthy and flowing.

also... Mmmaaybe the JUNO archetype isn't necessary for them to feel bonded. Maybe their romance is of a different breed all together. I'm very interested in finding out whether some--and which--long lasting relationships do not require strong Juno for binding. So far it seems crucial to me... but i can envision a world in which it isn't

Also bear in mind... a dearth of negative Juno aspects is a blessing! In an otherwise quite peaceable synastry with a friend of mine the ONLY aspect I can see which is responsible for our recent fight and my feeling scared around her (she is attracted to me and doesn't respect my boundaries enough): Her JUNO square my MARS.

And remember just in case Magi are right... Juno is not the asteroid of True Love--Chiron is! What does Chiron say in the synastry?

posted October 07, 2015 07:02 PM            

I would post their charts but I've been having problems with my photo bucket today and cannot get it to work on my server. (Hi Merc Rx!) So I may post some of it tomorrow.

BUT, okay so the Juno aspects we're seeing then are:

Same sun sign Juno from Person B, resonating with all of Person A's sun sign planets(there are many).

Person B (the male, btw), Juno sextiles her Venus exact, squares her moon at 4 degrees (so, wide).

Person A's Juno sextiles Saturn at 2 degrees, Quintiles Uranus at 0.

Chiron is retrograde for both of them, and HIGHLY active. Person B's chiron in his natal makes squares to his venus/mars (so does hers), so they have his chiron squaring her venus and mars a bit widely (not too tight orbs), Quintile Sun exact, quintile Jupiter 0 degrees, opposite Uranus 1 degree,quintiles Pluto exactly and trines Person A's AC exactly.

Person A's chiron sextiles and trines B's Sun and Moon, respectively, Opposite B's AC exactly, sextiles B's Neptune at 1 degree, and semisquares B's NN at 0.

So maybe there's more going on with chiron than Juno?

posted October 07, 2015 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
Either way I love your take that the Uranus stuff may just mean this is unconventional.

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It certainly can be.

posted October 07, 2015 08:17 PM            

Used to be that the asteroid embodied the energy experienced when encountered by the planet -- or even other point -- person. While that's sometimes the case, it isn't always. I've seen an exact EROS-PSYCHE conjunction be completely neutered due to the PSYCHE energy being inactive in one natal, and, conversely, the MOON in the other's 8H being seen as an annoyance rather than an invitation to deeper intimacy.

But at risk of sounding as if I'm relying upon the 'it's all synthesis!' argument, I'll say this (even though it really cannot be denied -- how much everything is dependent upon everything else): it's safe enough to apply the 'embodies the general energy in the context of the aspect' rule as a safe approach -- but be ready to break it, if need be.

But how do you know? For example, if VALENTINE is the one solely bringing the feelings of true love -- or VENUS is doing so, too?

For me, the lessons have been complicated and hard -- but involving a subject I had some bizarre 'advance knowledge' regarding, and thus, could check my work, as it were. In other words -- some things I knew, and could check to see what the astrology was doing -- rather than the other way around: and estimating how the energies were playing out by the astrology.

That brings me to an old macabre favourite, at this point, which, further research has only solidified -- and independently: my boyfriend's SUN conjunct my LACHESIS/TISIPHONE.

Now, it's a big, big thing when the SUN comes into contact with asteroids; the bigger issue is, whether the SUN is 'illuminating' the asteroid, which is acting as a kind of lens via which the light is now being viewed, or the asteroid is being 'activated' by the SUN, therefore embodying that energy. In other words, from where is the energy originating?

LACHESIS/TISIPHONE is a tough combo. On the one hand, you've got LACHESIS -- which is a death marker. On the other, you've got TISIPHONE -- the Fury known for punishing homicide. If we already know that when tSUN hits natal LACHESIS, it 'activates' the energy of LACHESIS, which has something to do with death, then we could say that the energy is flipped -- like a switch -- by the SUN.

But how the hell would that work in synastry? And what's up with TISIPHONE? Why has a Fury been invited to the party?

In my case, I have a natal marker which combines the two, so that they are inextricable: whether it means 'death as a result of punishing homicide' or 'death by one who punishes homicide' -- that we can't read solely from the conjunction. (Though, spoiler alert: it's both.) All we know is that the SUN 'lights it up' and 'activates' the energy.

So, something about my boyfriend's core identity brings to mind, explores, or 'activates' this strange mix of energies in my own natal: punishment for committing homicide, or those who specifically punish homicide, and how it ensures death.

But when I tell you that he was responsible for killing me in another lifeline -- specifically for committing an act of homicide because of the victim's own acts of homicide -- we can start to see how that could actually make some sense.

(And then you've got his TISIPHONE/HADES on my CHIRON, which is my skipped step square my NODES, and my 'core wound' and -- it just starts to repeat itself like an ouroboros.)

Knowing that, we can start to separate the energies out, too -- starting with his SUN conjunct my LACHESIS. His SUN 'activates' the concept of 'death'. Sure, we know 'death resulting from punishment for committing homicide' -- but only thanks to the presence of TISIPHONE. Otherwise, it's a big vague. Still, we can assign an action verb to it -- LACHESIS being 'death' or 'to die', or even 'cause of death' (as I've seen a few places).

Now we can cheat by just going, 'it's the SUN for chrissake!' because it really is sometimes ALL you need to see; 'damn! It's THE SUN!' but, really, even the SUN, for all its grandeur and glory, does have a deeper identification: specifically, the ego and core identity. And to better understand the astrological association, or planetary picture, we've got to go with the more technical approach. In mundane astrology, it's also men, or masculine energies, or even powerful sovereigns.

Ergo:

SUN conjunct LACHESIS

[ego] illuminates [death]
[core identity] is fused with [death]
[man] is [death]

Well ... ouch. When we break it down to its absolute base roots, 'man is death' would be a pretty damned frightening subconscious trigger. And, ohhhhhhh, that was certainly there. I've become convinced that a person cannot encounter someone to whom they've lost their lives in another lifeline, and not feel an inexplicable sense of impending doom or powerful fear.

Fortunately, we've got TISIPHONE clarifying the part which may have remained vague and disconcerting. Because, 'man is death' only in the context of punishing acts of homicide. Okay, well, we're good in THAT case!

But do you see how, in a weird, and roundabout way, even though I've got the 'scary conjunction', the fact that his SUN is conjunct it is what activates the energy of that conjunction? Further, how a LOT more information needs to be known to REALLY know what's going on?

Here's another example, from the same synastry. Which, honestly, illustrates the more 'standard' principle.

His HOLMES is also conjunct my SUN. So, here we've got the reverse. And, really, everything gets pretty squirrelly when serial killers are cops and profilers are also vigilante killers and vigilante killers are profilers. Eventually your brain just goes, ... wha? The astrology actually reflects this jumble, luckily enough.

HOLMES has been seen in instances of homicide, but most notably serial murder; it's likely named for one of the first known serial killers, H H Holmes. At least, that's how it's being used to great effect in the field of forensic astrology.

So when someone's SUN is conjunct your HOLMES, one thing is surely happening above all: they are 'illuminating' the concept of serial homicide. But how? Well, we'd need to know more about a few things -- and the SUN being on a homicide degree only confuses matters. It's best to then look back at HOLMES, as well as anything else it's conjunct in synastry.

... And we can all just go ahead and laugh right now at the fact that what it also conjuncts in synastry is JODIEFOSTER and VIRGINIA. I'm sorry, 'Silence of the Lambs' what? Ohhh, astrology; you slay me.

Of course, that's not my 'profiler stellium'; that's hanging out in Scorpio, with a host of other dark 'goodies'. This is merely quincunx his karmic 'vigilante killer' stellium -- but not giving up the goods.

Well, he's got HOLMES conjunct MYERS (psychological trauma, PTSD, psychological scarring) but then it's also 0º conjunct my SUN. I've definitely 'illuminated' his own psychological trauma, and we are doing a television series in which the storyline involves serial murder and law enforcement.

I'd think that's it, really, were it not for the other aspects -- and configurations.

Instead, we've got the more standard setup: where the SUN (me) illuminates the asteroid (him). And that makes a lot of sense. He was in downright denial regarding his own psychological scarring before me; plus, I'm a therapist. Perhaps I hit a lot of people's MYERS. But their HOLMES? ... I don't think so.

posted October 08, 2015 03:05 AM            

I'm really baffled by the light Juno energy looking at these charts, to be honest.

This looks like a big time soul mate union. LOTS of signs of that..

But then, actually Juno doesn't touch many of the planets in their composite, either?

So what can that mean? A soul mate union that isn't meant for this lifetime or something?

Or maybe I'm not seeing something.

posted October 08, 2015 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Cappi112:
Always interesting insights @Auby!

I'm really baffled by the light Juno energy looking at these charts, to be honest.

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Dual JUNO conjunct ANGEL with JUNO/ANGEL in composite isn't 'enough' ?

Maybe it's just not about JUNO. That would be okay, too. You have to find out what they are about, astrologically-speaking.

posted October 08, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Dual JUNO conjunct ANGEL with JUNO/ANGEL in composite isn't 'enough' ?

Maybe it's just not about JUNO. That would be okay, too. You have to find out what they are about, astrologically-speaking.

The older I get (and I've been doing this for 25 years), the more I start feeling that it's far less about aspects and much more about points themselves in combination -- but ONLY once we've established the individual or couple or group carries that 'energy'.

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Ahhh ok, very good point. I am confused by asteroids, as I know I've shown hahaa!! So to me, I'm like "Oh darn, they only have Amor, Valentine, Angel, and Union conjunct their AC and Juno and Sun and Venus. Stupid asteroids!" and disregard that they are powerful.

Actually, the more I read about asteroids, the more I adore them in composite and synastry.

The main planets/ aspects always seem to show the meat of the relationship, and the asteroids always seem to show what mood everything's in.