posted October 10, 2015 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
It's just diplomacy, dear. Unless there's a really strong MARS, the ageing Libran really isn't that into war. Sometimes, we'd rather love, but typically, we'd just rather think; contemplate, philosophise, and skip along the surface of everything, never getting too deep.

But, being a lunar Scorpion blows that all to hell in a hand-basket. Suddenly, we're obsessive about equilibrium; we'll actually go to extremes in order to find the middle road. So, yes, we'll drag you along, because damned if you don't show dedication to our passion. Of course, if you don't we won't ditch you. We'll just bear in mind that we may not be soul-mated. Because it's our 'soul mates' who plumb those depths, too. At the very least, you'll have to accept our need to do so.

We can get too deep, though. So, if after we've been diving for the past few days you're ready to get your feet wet -- sorry. That's enough of that. Land is looking nice, with a margarita and some island music. Coasting. Now we'd like to be in our heads and ruminate over everything we've felt and discovered and explored.

My best advice, were I to offer it, would be to grab your gear when we go diving. We're not going to ask your permission, and we may not even tell you we're going. It's a standing invitation, though. But bring your own gear. We're not responsible for you, either. We like companions. Not to play nursemaid or saviour. Scorp might, but get Libra involved, and that's fast defenestrated.

We're fascinating creatures, though, to be sure. And when we're able to apply our human lie-detection with our natural charm and diplomacy, we can do incredible things. Namely, because we never stop trying -- and can network like crazy to build the right brain trust. (Ohhh, do we love our brain trust. You'll want to be a part of that. It holds extreme value. And, likely contains life-long best friends, people we admire -- and plenty of ex-lovers. Don't get jealous. It's the way it is.)

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posted October 10, 2015 06:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow, on our last date we discussed Halloween costumes and I was thinking about being 7 of 9 since she's my favorite. How weird you posted about her! Lol

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Yeah, she's my 'former self' these days. My boyfriend worked Voyager often. He has high praise for Jeri Ryan, and I can see why. She's wonderfully talented!

I'll never forget when my husband came upstairs after her introduction and said, 'you've got to come see this!' I was busy, so less amused, and I was still kind of mourning DS9. He said, 'I found the character who's just like you.' Now I'm even less amused.

So, I come down and we watch the scene, and I'm standing there, my arms folded, studying the whole thing. Then (he recounts), with my expression barely changing, I said, 'I fail to see the resemblance,' and went back upstairs. I wasn't even trying to be funny. I was just ... being myself.

I didn't even get the 'joke' for days. But when he started asking our friends about it, they immediately nodded their heads and agreed. I STILL didn't see it.

Then I started watching; really watching. And I saw my own journey unfolding before my eyes. Holy God. This trauma victim desperately holding it together because she's disconnected entirely from her emotions, yet remains clearly haunted by them, fighting a profound anxiety. THAT's the bit of 'Vulcan' that never quite fit with me -- and my husband was spot-on about it. I wasn't a Stoic. I was friggin' ex-Borg: I'd suppressed my humanity to the point where it was almost nonexistent, and the only connexion that remained to it was this spectral anxiety, which threatened to swallow me whole if I let it.

So, I took the journey with her. And grew. I was embarking upon my own, and so it was this wonderful synchronicity to have her 'beside me'; as a buddy on the trip.

I did feel like I'd been discharged from some kind of hive mind -- some sort of collective. I was deeply longing for the sense of oneness, but I couldn't deny that I was here, after all, to reclaim my humanity; my individuality. To be and feel, and enjoy, and laugh and cry and despair and be elated, and love and let go and reunite and stand tall. All of it.

I'm not quite George Sand in my approach to things. But Judy Davis' portrayal of her in Impromptu, her experience of Chopin's music, very much described the way that the progressed conjunction has been changing my perception, and my experience.

I'm really not 'anybody' anymore. There's no one on a journey that I can immediately point to and say, a-ha! You're my spirit animal! so to speak. Not anymore.

Maybe that's why I created my own, and decided it was time to share that with the world. Alice at the eighth square, where she's crowned queen. Starling who no longer needs surrogate fathers, or to receive the approval of any man in her life. Amy Pond who's okay with growing up and loving her raggedy man just for exactly who he is. Christine Daae, having stepped from the long shadow of any mentor, now in possession of her own voice, and proudly singing at centre-stage. Scully who no longer needs to go searching for the truth, because it's relative to the individual, and she's settled down into a more peaceful life in the aftermath, with small victories and simple joys. Miss Parker having left the Centre, leading her own life sans entourage, making decisions for herself, no longer beholden to those who betrayed her, or took advantage. Harley Quinn is back to being Dr Harleen Quinzel, accepting her limitations and embracing reality, without being duped into a dangerous fantasy, peddled by seductive conmen. Mackenzie McHale promoted to news director, so that she can fill the shoes she admired and make great programmes that inform and inspire.

And, of course, Seven of Nine -- now Annika Hansen, free of any prior programming, able to just be a human woman and take it all as it comes. And much happier.

Oh! How could I forget? Virginia Johnson -- both the late pioneer of sex research, and as she's portrayed on the excellent drama Masters of Sex. I've been taking her journey, starting out in Masters' shoes, for the last two years. Learning how to take it a step further, going from fumbling human to kick-ass leader and pioneer of more than a few crusades against ignorance, propaganda, and the fear that impedes knowledge and personal growth.

If you do opt to go as Seven of Nine, Gabby, ask yourself -- what she means to you now? As well as what she meant to you then, and how you've grown in the process?

posted October 10, 2015 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I relate to what your saying. I'm having to relearn how to relate with him. I'm so used to holding back and not letting my extremes show when I'm dating.
I typically don't drink on dates because once I'm drinking I don't have perfect control over what I'm saying and I can't hold back my deeper thoughts and feelings, my passion comes out. I love that he seems to light up when I show my extremes, most ppl can't handle that.

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posted October 10, 2015 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
... I can't hold back my deeper thoughts and feelings, my passion comes out. I love that he seems to light up when I show my extremes, most ppl can't handle that.

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Again, from my example. One of the first things seen from him was his praising people who were enthusiastic about something, i.e., had a passion for whatever. Scorpio runs on the stuff, doesn't it?

posted October 10, 2015 07:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Again, from my example. One of the first things seen from him was his praising people who were enthusiastic about something, i.e., had a passion for whatever. Scorpio runs on the stuff, doesn't it?

(In his case, a baffling level of creativity tied to something ~50 years on, no lack of enthusiasm for poking at it even now. Aside astrology, I'm not sure what'd be consistently interesting enough to me to do anything such. O.O )

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posted October 10, 2015 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

If you do opt to go as Seven of Nine, Gabby, ask yourself -- what she means to you now? As well as what she meant to you then, and how you've grown in the process?

Story is the way the collective unconscious speaks to us on a soul level. Our own stories will always carry pieces of those which draw us most.

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posted October 10, 2015 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Passion, yes scorp's do run on it!! Love your writing Keela! "~50 years on" ....what has he been tied to for that long?

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I'd rather not say just in case, but (edited). Editing when I can so please no quoting. There from when he was a kid and as far as I can see, having near daily output tying to it one way or another even now. That somewhere more specific the last five years it seems, which in itself is a LONG time for some people, that alone. I'm a multifocus person, interested in a lot (well, so is he but that's the main thing) but my focus on things goes in cycles and spirals. I get back to things sooner or later, but even at my most creative I paled against his weekly output?

posted October 10, 2015 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That definitely sounds like deep passion!!

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posted October 11, 2015 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I have a very personal story that parallels her story, I know what her character means to me!!
She was awakening and trying how to unassimilate
as I was awakening and trying to unassimilate to!

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Exactly.

posted October 11, 2015 08:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Again, from my example. One of the first things seen from him was his praising people who were enthusiastic about something, i.e., had a passion for whatever. Scorpio runs on the stuff, doesn't it?

(In his case, a baffling level of creativity tied to something ~50 years on, no lack of enthusiasm for poking at it even now. Aside astrology, I'm not sure what'd be consistently interesting enough to me to do anything such. O.O )

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Seriously? Oh, I do.

posted October 11, 2015 08:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
... although would encourage him to do something more of his own, not just sing cover songs or work inside other people's worlds.

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Good luck with that one. Genuinely. As much I understand 'learning', and 'reverse engineering' -- comes a time when one's far past ready to just do. He, too, has played too long in other people's sandboxes and cobbled and cribbed to expound and extrapolate. If anything, I've given him free rein with his character, as he's yet to do anything out of it, frankly, and I trust his judgement. I'm also eager to see him breaking out of both the literal background and pen his own literary works.

He did write a bang-up 'what if Lovecraft made a Lazarus film of 'Dreamer in the Deep' that's been lost to the ages?' screenplay, however. But all else have been (extremely well crafted, mind) 'fix fic' or adaptations of other works for the screen -- mostly anime to live-action dramas.

posted October 11, 2015 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Good luck with that one. Genuinely. As much I understand 'learning', and 'reverse engineering' -- comes a time when one's far past ready to just do. He, too, has played too long in other people's sandboxes and cobbled and cribbed to expound and extrapolate. If anything, I've given him free rein with his character, as he's yet to do anything out of it, frankly, and I trust his judgement. I'm also eager to see him breaking out of both the literal background and pen his own literary works.

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He wrote poems in his 20s and does have own stories and characters, drawings of them even (supremely multitalented people, don't you just 'hate' them, sigh), but those don't seem to have been at the forefront in more recent years (decades?). He seems to want some fame, but not sure he's quite gotten the idea that his own works may lead him to something such more easily than staying in other people's playing fields. So, my Musa conjunct his ASC. One way or another I guess.

posted October 11, 2015 11:17 PM            

They can be slightly obsessive at times (like the detective with scorp merc and virgo moon/mars/venus who shares my place). In one of his moods, I can just feel the tentacles of his ominous energy coiling around me lol.

Mostly I just let them be. Get used to it. They analyze and poke into my mind a lot. If they get on my nerves, I tell them to back off.

posted October 12, 2015 03:50 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Thanks Auby ❤️❤️. I enjoy your Libran writing with the added scorp sensitivity.

I'll add my favorite Libra Sun Scorpio Moon: philosopher Judith Jarvis Thompson. Wouldn't want to be in an argument with her.

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posted October 12, 2015 11:34 AM            

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Scorpios are very very laconic. They write notes with one or two lines. It doesn't mean he's not into you. If you feel the chemistry I'm pretty sure you're on his mind.

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Haha, right about the 2 lines in the affairs of love..

because it's;
A) sexy
B) prone to longevity

posted October 12, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Soltze, what exactly do you mean when you say you need to know things are being hidden from you?

Thank you for your comment, I can tell he's into me just like a dark lurker when we are not together.

The other day we were crossing the street the man walking toward me was kind of cute so I looked the other way so i didnt meet his eye and seem like I was flirting...as the man got closer I could feel him staring at me and the guy I'm seeing noticed it to. He watched him for a second and seemed mildly annoyed then quickly looked at me(I'm pretty sure to see if I was enjoying the attention) but when he looked at me my eyes where focused on the top of this tall building and right then I commented on how much I loved the buildings architecture. He smiled, but in a way that said, he knew I knew what was going on and he knew that I had intentionally made it look like I didn't know...he kissed my hand and said, I didn't know you were into architecture.

It's like everything is a game of who can out know the other person, who's more aware.
He always asks me if I remember our waitress's name because he can't remember. Bull!! He's just testing how perceptive I am of our environment. Lol

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Oh, just came by now.
I need to know with some time if I'm being cheated on.
So, I don't him kill him in the spur of the moment LOL. Kidding....or maybe not.
If I know something is off with time. I can process on my own and decide what to do. I might feel generous and just act like the dude died.

Oh, the mind games. I like to pull that on people. But, I feel like laughing when others try it on me. I'll just play "innocent little girl" and confuse them. Blessed Pisces ASC.

I like attentive people. I don't trust people with "short memory". Awareness equals caring.

posted October 12, 2015 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm wondering what you like? What are you attracted to? What do you like or want in a partner?
It seems like libra and scorp might contradict each other making the person seem light and airy but underneath have some massive emotional depth that needs to be met and understood.
Any thoughts on how to meet both sides of this kind of person.
I have libra AC/Venus conjunct Pluto so I think I get it but I'm sure it plays out somewhat different when it's planets in scorpio rather than straight up Pluto energy.

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Although, I don't have exact same placements, my Sun and Merc are in Virgo, my ASC and Mars are in Libra and my Venus is in Scorp...I can totally relate to what you said as far as being all easy going and light and airy (due to my my ASC) that's how people initially see me. But because of my Venus is Scorp, I have this possessive, almost obsessive attitude if I like a person. It's like I want to consume them and only be with them and them to be with me. Usually the depth of my soul desires and my focused intensity on a partner is way too much for most people...

I can only give some tips in relation to how I like people to be around me.

I like it when people don't come on too strong at first due to my Libra ASC. If someone shows me that they are totally into me on like the first date, I will feel suffocated and run, lol. But they need to show me that they are interested and if they like me, they would need to initiate and meet my level of interest/intensity once the relationship progresses to say date 3-4-5. This is due to my Venus in Scorp. If they are kinda aloof or playing hot/cold games, that will keep me interested and maybe even lure me in initially and I may feel tempted to chase, again due to Scorp Venus. But because Venus in Scorp likes depth and intensity and hates superficial, very surface like type of treatment, we loose interest pretty soon and will just go away. I need to see reciprocation of my feelings, otherwise I just get frustrated and annoyed and it's not worth it for me to continue put in the effort. Once I go away and I am done, I am DONE, lol. Again it's all about all or nothing. You either in and want me, or you are out if I was trying and trying and you were not reciprocating.

I also want a person to stimulate me intellectually. There has to be depth and a lot of emotional openness and even vulnerability. This is due to both - Merc in Virgo and Venus in Scorp. I am very analytical and like it when people are educated and cultured and multi-dimensional, someone who can hold a conversation and even challenge my views on things.

Hope this helps

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Originally posted by theunknown:

Possessive, passionate. Will spy on you while ignore you at the same time. Not for the faint of heart. Highly intelligent

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posted October 12, 2015 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Oh, just came by now.
I need to know with some time if I'm being cheated on.
So, I don't him kill him in the spur of the moment LOL. Kidding....or maybe not.
If I know something is off with time. I can process on my own and decide what to do. I might feel generous and just act like the dude died.

Oh, the mind games. I like to pull that on people. But, I feel like laughing when others try it on me. I'll just play "innocent little girl" and confuse them. Blessed Pisces ASC.

I like attentive people. I don't trust people with "short memory". Awareness equals caring.

I can support the affirmation that Scorpio suns like crazy women. You should have seen the ex of a guy I know. She's a she-devil in disguise haha

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I can totally see the scorp Suns either being crazy themselves or loving crazy girls.
I went out on A DATE, 1 date with a scorp Sun/Mars
After he told me his last girlfriend he moved her into his house after 3 weeks then 3 months later cheated on her and she bleached all his clothes...I decided potentially he needed more drama than I could provide! Lol

posted October 12, 2015 03:10 PM            

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Originally posted by CuriousV:
Although, I don't have exact same placements, my Sun and Merc are in Virgo, my ASC and Mars are in Libra and my Venus is in Scorp...I can totally relate to what you said as far as being all easy going and light and airy (due to my my ASC) that's how people initially see me. But because of my Venus is Scorp, I have this possessive, almost obsessive attitude if I like a person. It's like I want to consume them and only be with them and them to be with me. Usually the depth of my soul desires and my focused intensity on a partner is way too much for most people...

I can only give some tips in relation to how I like people to be around me.

I like it when people don't come on too strong at first due to my Libra ASC. If someone shows me that they are totally into me on like the first date, I will feel suffocated and run, lol. But they need to show me that they are interested and if they like me, they would need to initiate and meet my level of interest/intensity once the relationship progresses to say date 3-4-5. This is due to my Venus in Scorp. If they are kinda aloof or playing hot/cold games, that will keep me interested and maybe even lure me in initially and I may feel tempted to chase, again due to Scorp Venus. But because Venus in Scorp likes depth and intensity and hates superficial, very surface like type of treatment, we loose interest pretty soon and will just go away. I need to see reciprocation of my feelings, otherwise I just get frustrated and annoyed and it's not worth it for me to continue put in the effort. Once I go away and I am done, I am DONE, lol. Again it's all about all or nothing. You either in and want me, or you are out if I was trying and trying and you were not reciprocating.

I also want a person to stimulate me intellectually. There has to be depth and a lot of emotional openness and even vulnerability. This is due to both - Merc in Virgo and Venus in Scorp. I am very analytical and like it when people are educated and cultured and multi-dimensional, someone who can hold a conversation and even challenge my views on things.

Hope this helps

[QUOTE]Originally posted by theunknown:
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Possessive, passionate. Will spy on you while ignore you at the same time. Not for the faint of heart. Highly intelligent

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+1. This is 100% me [/B][/QUOTE]

posted October 13, 2015 04:21 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I knew a libra sun and mars, scorpio asc, moon venus person. This person was damaged. He had a lot of baggage and hate for the world. He had a lot of scorpio growth to go through. He was very outgoing and social and seemed like a pushover but was really not a pushover in any sense. The emotional depth he kept locked up. Very spiteful person. I didnt really want to be with him so he took it as a personal mission to make me want him and would get more and more spiteful when it failed...

When I was able to get away from him he started dating so many people while trying to show off to me. He got married like a couple months after to a girl hed known for a few weeks. Someone he dated days after another girl he dated for a week or so.

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That's sad, did that guy have a lot of squares n oppositions to his scorp?