posted April 15, 2008 12:38 AM              

I wanted to know if anyone else has had this experience, or would like to try out the comparison for themselves, right here. I'd be willing to create and post the charts myself, and even offer some input on the analysis.

Anyone wanna try?

posted April 15, 2008 03:10 AM              

dunno

posted April 15, 2008 03:45 PM              

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Now, having said that I do slightly disagree with Rob Hand, I'm going to present an argument that completely support his position. Because the Composite Chart is a Midpoint Chart, it's not possible to be "positive" of the sign placement of any of the planets. The most that you can do is to be sure of the sign axis.

In general, when working with midpoints, the sign and house position is not taken into consideration. Most midpoint work is done using the 90 degree dial which ignores the individual signs and houses entirely and operates entirely based on hard aspects. Each point on the 90 degree dial is actually 4 points on the 360 wheel, so when working with midpoints, both the direct and the opposite midpoint are combined, along with the two points that square the midpoint axis. Midpoints between two planets can be "triggered" at any of the 4 points: the direct (or near) midpoint, the opposite (far) midpoint, and also at the two points squaring the midpoints. Considering the Composite Chart is a midpoint chart, this is a pretty compelling argument to ignore the signs.

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I remember creating a midpoint chart with one of my exes where we had a couple of stellium spread over 3 consecutive signs. I suppose I could interpret this as being in a constricted relationship with a tight focus, but that's about all that was accurate. The Davison chart I cast showed all the interactions within the relationship - our Uranus/Moon conjunction (yes, we have a very emotionally torrential relationship) opposing our Mercury/Sun (totally a relationship based on mental interaction). These two themes were definitely at odds and after it became clear that these recurring, almost regularized relationship meltdowns were never going to be resolved, I decided we needed to part ways. It was tough getting out tho, almost as if the relationship was very restrictive and binding, as shown by the midpoint chart.

posted August 24, 2009 05:30 PM            

And well, we can say that composite is a hypothetical chart based on mathematical midpoints. Yet isn't the whole astrological system abstract and based on mathematics?
Also, the midpoints are actually based on the existing physical positions of the planets between two charts, which seems to make more sense than planetary positions that were in the middle of time and space between two people's birthday.

But well, in any cases, it's possible to find insights through different systems of symbolism, and it actually depends on how skilled an astrologer is to be able to find useful information out of each system.
Each system is different, and it's up to each of us to find out which works better.

posted October 13, 2015 05:47 PM            

asc ,mc,ic and descendant are only mathematical point so midpoints should not be dismissed for their mathematical origin.
and then Claudius ptolemy in his famous work "Almagest" ,includes a discussion on midpoints, showing they have a heritage of validity stretching back thousands of years\

posted October 17, 2015 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Journey_of_Gemini:
Question: so you would interpret the aspects from a Davison Chart as a composite chart? Like if I wanted to see what one aspect meant I would just look at a website that interpret composite aspects and apply it to the Davison? And could you use the Davison chart with your natal to see how it effects you as an individual? (synastry)

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Yes I belief so! they are both composites but one is an event chart involving the midpoint of two birthdates and the other involves the midpoint of each planet between two people.

posted October 17, 2015 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by todd:
the problem with Davidson charts is that the basic calculations are calendric and not astrological. that is ,only the moon and sun move with a mean motion all other planets are subject to retrograde movement which can not be described by Davidson.
Davidson himself expressed certain reservations about his own system later in this career.

asc ,mc,ic and descendant are only mathematical point so midpoints should not be dismissed for their mathematical origin.
and then Claudius ptolemy in his famous work "Almagest" ,includes a discussion on midpoints, showing they have a heritage of validity stretching back thousands of years\

todd

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posted October 18, 2015 12:36 AM            

i have venus semisquare mars in composite
and venus conjunct mars in davison

posted October 18, 2015 03:17 PM            

It uses similar logic/magic to progressions, perhaps? And I suppose it works equally well to describe real world present time tangible occurrences. Wow. Given that it finds the midpoint in time and space rather than the mathematical midpoints between charts I guess it is perhaps a more holistic picture of the relationship...

posted October 18, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
What if you don't have the accurate birth time for one of the people? Can you still do a Davison chart with that person?

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posted October 18, 2015 04:42 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:

You can still run the chart, but aspects to the moon, and house placements won't be accurate.

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posted October 18, 2015 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Journey_of_Gemini:
Question: so you would interpret the aspects from a Davison Chart as a composite chart? Like if I wanted to see what one aspect meant I would just look at a website that interpret composite aspects and apply it to the Davison? And could you use the Davison chart with your natal to see how it effects you as an individual? (synastry)

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Yes to all of that.

Perhaps the davison tells you why in essence you met and the main function of the UNION and you two coming together, it gets to the core of why you met. While midpoint tells you about the relationship, its dynamics and downfalls and how it feels like for the two of you day to day. Maybe they simply compliment each other and its important to pay attention to themes that repeat in both as that tells you what the main theme and purpose is of the relationship.

This is an interesting perspective on the Davison I want to share with you all:

"Finding true love with a soulmate is not all that it’s cracked up to be. It’s more likely to be a case of “Help, I’ve found my soul mate!” In astrology, the 7th house is not just the house of marriage, it is also the house of open enemies. It is also opposed the 1st house of the physical self. Therefore the supposed “Soul mate” relationship is very often a tug of war on many levels. What may feel destined could also be a number of things. The beloved could be reflecting strongly back to you your animus or anima, what you are lacking in your chart, what you have disowned in your chart or, when the relationship turns sour, your worst demons.

With synastry, squares and challenging synastry aspects between a couple are karmic aspects and can be extremely challenging. These will usually enable you to “fast-track” your spiritual evolution by burning off a ton of ingrained karma. Often a soul mate comes into your life simply to do this, but it does not mean it is life long. Negative karma from the past can attract you even more strongly than positive karma. Hence those impossible, gut-wrenching, and often unrequited love affairs.

I don’t believe an Astrologer can or should ever tell you “This is the one”. It could be a one however, and astrology can certainly show you why you have been pulled together. You will also be able to see why you find it so hard to break up even if the relationship is making you miserable. Usually these are Moon/Saturn contacts. Looking at the charts individually first is crucial to see what each person can handle in a relationship. Some people just cannot take too much drama, others would be bored without it. Some may need a very cosy domestic 24/7 togetherness, while others crave space, so that a long distance romance might actually suit. Therefore it’s really rather pointless saying “Oh my Sun is conjunct his Moon, we are destined!” if one of you is a thrill seeker and the other likes vegging infront of the TV.

The Davison Chart

The Davison horoscope takes the midpoint in time between the couples birth-date. The co-ordinates are also half way. This is my speciality. I love Davisons because this chart actually exists physically, so one can take into account the fixed stars. I now use the Davison as my only composite chart, as it keeps things simple and for me they just work more than the composite mid -point chart. I have also found them to contain the most magic. This chart describes why you have been brought together and what lessons you have to learn in this lifetime.

Relationships are the best teacher and synastry aspects between the natal charts can show what type of lessons you are learning from each other. One of the most illuminating things to look out for, is when the partners important planets or points make a conjunction with the Sun, Moon, AC, Nodes or Vertex in the Davison chart. It shows how important the relationship is for each of them. It will reveal if one is more attached to the union than the other.

The fixed stars in the Davison can give us an idea of past lives and karma that brought the couple together. With Soulmates it is usually very obvious. Symbols and themes will keep repeating themselves and a story will come out. The Nodes will often show the nature of the karmic contract. It is very important to look at the connections from the Davison to the couples natal charts. Strong indicators of many lives together and/or a karmic mission will be confirmed if the couple have conjunctions to the big 3 (Sun/Moon/AC)."

http://darkstarastrology.com/synastry-chart/