posted October 22, 2015 06:02 PM            

But some sites say the planet person owes the debt, while others (and a personal astrologer) say the Node person owes the debt.

posted October 24, 2015 02:18 PM            

But as i said it can also be supportive/revelatory and gentle..m depending very much on the natals and other synastric factors...

posted October 26, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
If you want to look at it another way, Mercury is gonna talk about things the South Node person has to work through, and ultimately get over being quite so heavily involved with... Mercury could also really help elucidate what the processes of the South Node person's SN are/were/must become in order to further the NN's perogative... this can be a creative position which is mutually helpful and enlightening, because SN has a lot of knowledge about the point we find Mercury in the other chart, and it's an intrinsic knowing which will be deeply appreciated by the Mercury person. But there's an edge to the knowledge, a barb and an unconsciousness? Which can bring to bear and cause the SN person to communicate these things in less than savoury ways, and Mercury will be acutely aware of the faults and difficulties of the SN party... this can be challenging because Mercury might be SO aware of them that they continue to bring it up, and impede the progress of the SN person towards their NN. They are reminded by Mercury.

But as i said it can also be supportive/revelatory and gentle..m depending very much on the natals and other synastric factors...

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This is quite fascinating, Yungang, because in addition, her Aq moon is 2 deg conjunct my North Node (and it's also 2 deg conj my Aq Sun). She certainly challenges me mentally (which Aquarius wants).

posted October 26, 2015 01:29 PM            

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Originally posted by EmGem:
and what if you have SN contacts in synastry but NN contacts in the composite and davison? Held back yet moving forward??

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to speak to that, I would just note that the motion between the nodes is not always necessarily linear; they are, after all, the head and tail of the same beast... the trick is to move from the heart... the synthesis of honouring both poles while recognizing that we're going towards the head if we want to make useful progress... so hard to see clearly if we're going backwards...

With a moon on the tail of a dragon, our emotions are going to flail around with less fully conscious intent than if they were focused at the head of the Dragon; but i would focus again on the fact that this is an axis, and just as the moon is conjunct the SN it is opposite the NN, looking directly across at it and thus intimately equipped for the propulsion of energy through the whole body of the axis, through the application and integration of those nodal energies. You're going to be experiencing the pull of the South Node energy strongly, indeed, be strongly rooted in it and 'needing' it more than most people. The moon doesn't really compromise in its emotional need, it is firm about where it operates from... with another person's moon reinforcing this emotional stolidity you have a condition of very deep understanding as well as potential stuck-ness, yes; but i think such a connection could ultimately be very supportive, soothing, and understanding... no matter how you slice it... there is an emotional resonance which is extremely strong. There is likely to be affection and understanding on a very deep level.

posted October 28, 2015 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's not necessarily a one-way street, it's a contact between souls which held a strong resonance and involves a kind of contract which is now being played out, but the details would be shown elsewhere i think..

The planet person in a South node synastric contact seems to be the more active, overt, initiatory party in some significant way, in a mercury SN contact they are calling shots and making moves, but the node person is the one with the inside track on their dynamic, ultimately, and can make or break the interactions by using their personal magnetism and clout in the relationship to swing things... that's my take on it. I think they both 'owe a debt' if you want to look at it that way, i think the SN person might have something additional to learn from Mercury and Mercury might have to learn something about relating well from SN too.. yeah, i think the answer is, both.

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posted October 30, 2015 11:02 AM            

However, I do not agree with that interpretation. The whole synastry must be accounted for, because I'm pretty sure the SN person has something to offer the planet person (unless the synastry is just lame). SN/NN aspects alone don't bind people.

posted October 30, 2015 10:06 PM            

I've never felt a debt due or owed with any of them, nor have I felt held back. IMO I find these contacts to be more like, wow, we already know "this" about each other. We don't have to work on developing it. It's already there. So for eg. if it's moon, the nurture, caring and/or softer affection is already there. Of course, other planets aspecting the conj. will affect this.

posted October 31, 2015 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by VestasLight:
I need to say, some of my greatest friendships/relationships have south node contacts. I've always found I have an instant ease with a person......
IMO I find these contacts to be more like, wow, we already know "this" about each other. We don't have to work on developing it. It's already there. So for eg. if it's moon, the nurture, caring and/or softer affection is already there. Of course, other planets aspecting the conj. will affect this.

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posted November 01, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by browncoat:
My South Node is conjunct her Mercury.
Yes, we were siblings (or neighbors) in a past life.

But some sites say the planet person owes the debt, while others (and a personal astrologer) say the Node person owes the debt.

Who owes the debt?

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posted March 27, 2021 09:33 PM            

This is what I can say, I am the southnode and my husband has Pisces intercepted in his 11th ruled by NEPTUNE in the 8th which conjuncts my Southnode exact (under 1 degree).

I the southnode person apparently "owe" him, he seems to think I am here to fund financially his hopes and dreams and if he is not able to reach his hopes and dreams he makes it my fault and does not take responsibility for his own failures.

I the southnode person am tired of carrying that burden he has put in my shoulders.

There is a conflict of interest, I the southnode person wants to travel, collect experiences, explore, go with the flow and enjoy the beauty this planet earth has to offer and he the planet person person wants to always have 5 different big projects going on at once that he never finishes and if they don't work out is my fault (Brought to you by pisces/virgo intercepted in the 11th/5th axis). I point out to him he should just pick one dream to focus on and give it his all and he says "I am not like that" yet is my fault if his projects don't work out and I should indefinitely support all his dreams bc I as the southnode person apparently OWE him LOL....

Talk about his neptune in the 8th ruling his intercepted pisces in the 11th feeling very comfortable with diffusion of responsibility.

"Diffusion of responsibility is a sociopsychological phenomenon whereby a person is less likely to take responsibility for action or inaction when other bystanders or witnesses are present."

It gets better his intercepted virgo in the 5th house is ruled by Mercury in Scorpio which conjunct his EROS and this falls on my Saturn in scorpio.

posted March 27, 2021 10:12 PM            

It seems to me that the southnode person is not so much about owing a DEBT to the planet person but more so that the planet person puts unrealistic demands and expectations on the southnode person, there is almost like an entitlement the planet person has towards the southnode person, I also can say that it seems the southnode person has a very hard time letting go of the planet person because they feel comfortable and at home with the planet person.

posted March 27, 2021 11:55 PM            

Growing up for a while there it felt she loved me conditionally (e.g. keyword felt) but now I feel she loves me unconditionally, she has grown a lot into her northnode pisces over the years and I taught her as the planet person about unconditional love.

Now with the southnode contact it plays out very differently. There was a history of feeling she does not really listen to me and even now she still struggles with listening to me and certain things I set boundaries with her around, she still doesn't really get it the boundary I set with her around her religious views even though we share a spiritual side. She doesn't hear me and just keeps going, I think she listens better than she has in the past but this is definitely not resolved.

Needless to say I enjoy her northnode conjunct my moon, I feel over time we have gotten to a point were we do love each other unconditionally and she is truly a GREAT source of emotional support that when I was younger was lacking probably bc she was a bit of a workaholic (southnode in virgo).

posted March 28, 2021 12:14 AM            

In the case with my husband is tricky bc is his intercepted ruler that conjuncts my southnode so there is an imbalance in him that my southnode initially was enabling instead of challenging which hints to a southnode imbalance in me too, my southnode in the 12th will fall for his victim mentality until my own southnode imbalances started to be addressed which in turn forced him to work on his intercepted signs imbalances. This was further reinforced and supported by my Saturn conjuncting ruler of his intercepted virgo, shifting from enabling him (12H) to setting boundaries and accountability (Saturn).

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TBF his perception is that I hold him back from pursuing his hopes and dreams, there is some truth to that but is mainly his unresolved issues with his intercepted signs and always feeling a lack financially that hold him back and he projects that unto me bc his intercepted pisces ruler conjuncts my southnode in the 12H.

I do think that the planet person for whatever the reason tends to feel the southnode person is holding them back from expanding and growing or delving deeper, southnode wants the planet person to keep it safe, to stay with the known and not delve into the unknown, the intentions are never bad, I think this plays out subconsciously.

posted April 16, 2021 08:17 PM            

In the context of my Ex his DC ruler on his IC conjuncted my Southnode, I the southnode person owed him a relationship and this was fulfilled but I also felt held back by him bc he did not want to venture of and go on a adventure with me which my DC and Norhtnode ruler Mercury in the 9th very much needed to happen, the ruler of his IC which is JUPITER conjuncted his Saturn so something held him back from been able to do this with me, he couldn't venture off, roots made him stay put. This resulted in me outgrowing the relationship even though I was still very in love with him.

With my mother and her southnode conjuncting my mercury I supposed she owes me the debt then, she is supposed to become a good listener and respect my intellectual boundaries I place with her. I feel she has made progress with this but this has not been resolved fully, she still doesn't 100% get it. Perhaps she feels held back like I am trying to restrict her freedom of speech but I just don't want her to push her views on to me compulsively and allow for there to be differences of opinions between us while we share some common ground on spirituality.