posted November 01, 2015 09:36 PM            

I don't know a lot of data about this particular thing, can only speak from personal experience. I feel like those indicators would be different for everybody... but, well... his North Node is in my 5th house. That's a 5th house thang that we've got. I think it's safe to think the 5th house would be activated, but I'd look to Taurus and ruler and house 2 and that, because Taurus is procreative sex, I do believe.

I have a feeling you'll want to be looking at Sun/Moon midpoints... and Venus/Mars as well. I think composite Venus/Mars midpoint might set something off with a partner you're makin babies with--but maybe not.

With him and I it's his ascendant on my Sun/Moon and my Venus on his Sun/Moon... his moon exactly conjunct my Juno, his Venus 3 degrees off my ascendant..

basic fated deep relationship synastry stuff...

I would expect to see strong nodal contacts with any partnership which produced children--but I'm sure there are exceptions. There always are. In our case his Saturn squares my Nodes, his Jupiter is conjunct my NN and his Moon is 9 degrees wide of my South Node. My Venus is conjunct his South Node exact.

hope this is helpful. I think overall you're just lookin for slam dunk synastry, know what I'm sayin? It is so ideal if you can really jive with the person who is baby daddy or mama, cause you're always gonna be super duper connected.

But everybody's different! Maybe light hearted is possible for some. For me this relationship was very Plutonian--and so am I. For somebody else it might not need to be so intense as it was for me.

posted November 01, 2015 10:53 PM            

This guy is so patient with my kids! So great...but wants badly to have his own, and even tho I swore I would have no more, damn if I'm not pulled so hard to have a child with him!

posted November 02, 2015 05:27 PM            

I also worry about how much it will change my family, with all 3 of my kids from one dad, and adding another to the mix from a different person. So much going on in my head right now!

posted November 02, 2015 05:58 PM            

In my last relationship i thought we were gonna have kids because we had Child conjunct Union on our composite MC... but we absolutely didn't and I'm SO glad we didn't... but we talked about it--and were always seen out in the world with my kid, so our union appeared to have begotten a child but hadn't in fact.

posted November 02, 2015 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
... but I'd look to Taurus and ruler and house 2 and that, because Taurus is procreative sex, I do believe ...

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Great theory, Yun. I've got to respectfully disagree, and I'll explain why.

Taurus vibes with the baby exploring his or her own security, and also pleasure, through physical experience. It's documented that even very young children will engage in masturbatory behaviours in an effort to grok the pleasurable sensations from genital stimulation. It's also probably the most innocent form of it, due to it being detached from societal expectation, or other people. It's not yet been 'warped', you might say, into the shame-ridden activity which it tends to become as we age. (And don't get me started on that here.)

This is also why Taurus, really, is little more than physical experience. The newborn finds itself within a world in which it's gaining mobility, and beginning to understand the division between self and other; it doesn't yet know quite how to extend to other, but it's becoming aware of self on the physical level, rather than establishing self, as we find with Aries.

To that end, we might argue that Leo -- which represents the adolescent and young adult experience -- could be engaging in procreative sex. But even then, it's kind of a stretch. Taurus is more about self pleasure, or seeking pleasure for the self -- even if it's partnered. Leo is about shared pleasure. The Lion wants to grandstand and make gregarious gestures, trotting out its ego in top form to both attract and secure, as well as indulge. The infant has endured a few major rites of passage since then, including the loss of virginity, and is now experiencing the power and passion of romantic love, and finding a foothold for the ego in the external world. Leo's the last hurrah before putting down roots and establishing its own brood. So, we might argue this is more partnered sexuality in the pursuit of pleasure of many forms -- including romantic gratification and exploration.

Perhaps, it's Scorpio where we get to true procreative sex; beyond fun, pleasure, duty and service to self, community and family, past marriage, and into sex aligned with soul, for greater purpose, to maintain intimacy rather than delight in the senses, or explore the capacity of sexual relations, this is where sex becomes serious. And there's little that encompasses greater severity than creating life.

I admit I've never quite contemplated it so deeply, but it seems the logical conclusion. There must first be a 'marriage' amongst two in order to create a foundation upon which there shall now be a product of that two. This is why 'procreative sex' is intentional sex: purposeful, with a clearly established goal, and encompasses the traits and abilities of the signs before it -- such as Virgo's establishment of routine and means of adhering to a set schedule, (as is needed to properly assess fertility -- not to mention the involvement of medical professionals in many cases) Leo's means to set the mood, so that the act can be enjoyable and pleasurable as well as (literally) productive, and Libra's penchant for give-and-take, compromise, and diplomacy -- all elements which are truly necessary to maintain a sexual relationship -- rather than sex within itself. And procreative sex -- in its intentionality -- is almost naturally assumed to be part of a greater relationship -- and all with which it entails.

posted November 02, 2015 07:05 PM            

And oh i do hear you... totally see where you're coming from... and I think in that way about the signs through the seasons of life in similar ways--and in some ways I almost agree--after marriage (Libra)--comes baby carriage--or whatever ... and of course Scorpio is very much to do with sex. We have learned to relate--now we get to explore the depths of what it means to be in dynamic relation with existence!--with all the attendant intensity...

However, recall that a moon in Scorpio lends itself to gynecological problems, complicated pregnancy and birth--so does Moon in Cap, to a lesser extent. Cap and Scorp are opposite Taurus and Cancer, which in my opinion are both signs which are very much to do with, in Taurus--fertility (the bull!)--and Cancer--the mother, the grandmother moon...

And just as Cancer can be nostalgic for childhood, and can be quite childish, she's the sign of the mother, no? I would think that the functions of life are represented as well below the horizon as above, and the houses below the horizon are overall very much about home making, being a self, all kinds of adult activities... the 4th house--death--the end of life.

And just to run with what you're saying, and i think this interesting: the 7th from the 8th house is the 2nd--the *person*, the partner, the other with whom we have this intentional, charged, informed sex can be seen there, by the logic of derived houses.

And classically, Taurus is all about fecundity and procreation. We can find this written by many astrologers, no? It's not just my theory by any means. I've heard it said that Taurus is physical sex, for the sake of procreation--and Scorpio is sex for the sake of sex--sex and Death, sex for orgasm...

posted November 02, 2015 08:16 PM            

My daughter's father's Sun is in my 2nd house, verrry near the house cusp, and trine my Mars (which is in my 5th. Pretty sure I was on top )... His Uranus is in my 2nd also, and his Saturn. His ascendant also falls in my 2nd house.

It was not a planned pregnancy... but there were definite overtones in our relationship which anybody doing a close read would have easily seen that's what was about to happen... anyhow... it's had a big effect on him in a Saturnian way. And me. And Uranus there certainly fits the picture...

His Venus is conjunct my ascendant. My IC is in his second house. My Venus conjunct his SN.

The ruler of my 2nd house--Jupiter--is opposite his Sun (cusp if the 2nd) exact, and square his Moon and Mars. The ruler of his second house--Saturn--is in my 2nd.

posted November 02, 2015 09:15 PM            

With my man now, I have my sun, mercury, Chiron and vesta in his 5th (aries and Leo) and he has his ascendant Uranus and psyche in my 5th.

Jupiter rules his second, which is trine my moon in the 5th. And my 2nd house ruler is cancer. Note that none of his personal planets fall in my 2nd.

I wonder if it might be a blend...Auby mentioned Scorpio, which is where my moon falls, but we have Leo, Taurus, Cancer involved as well. And emphasized Aries synastry...new beginnings perhaps?

All I know is that I swore I was finished having children, and I adore, protect and cherish children so very much. The feeling I get when I am holding any newborn, not just my own, is heavenly. And to nurture my own as they grow, my God, it touches my very core!

posted November 02, 2015 09:49 PM            

Your 5th house Scorpio Moon, ruler of your 2nd, speaks very beautifully to your love of newborns, your strong urge to create babies with those you love, the very deep joy you feel--very beautiful! I think with a well aspected Scorpio moon-- in the 5th, which rules the second--perhaps the gynecological/fertility/childbearing issues which are so frequently observed in Scorpio moon natives may not have manifested so strongly for you? Hope you don't mind my asking--I am curious because I've been doing some research on this particular count...

posted November 02, 2015 09:53 PM            

"Sex has two basic aspects: procreative and non-procreative or social. The former corresponds to Taurus, the latter to Scorpio. That such a distinction has not been made by Western astrologers and philosophers is strange; for the correlation between Scorpio and the whole of sex-activity is very peculiar, considering that Scorpio is only a late Sign of the Zodiac and associated with autumn, the time when the life-force becomes somnolent in nature. Sex, as a strictly biological factor, is a primary function of all organisms and obviously should be associated with the animal mating season and the growth of flowers. It is symbolized by Taurus, the Bull — a hieroglyph of fertility and male strength.

Taurus is the sign of purely physiological and procreative mating. It is a phase of the process of personality-building. It represents late adolescence — its instinct toward unconscious procreation, its unsocial urge toward personal self-development through fecundating and being fecundated, thus, through sheer emotional experience. It witnesses the maximum emotional expression of the Day-force and of pure personality without any social context whatsoever. It is pure desire without mind or consciousness, without distortion or individual-social differentiation: a generic force which is universal and of itself has no "Meaning." It just is; as life is.

The sign Scorpio is the polar opposite of Taurus. This means that, in the society-building half-cycle of the Night-force's ascendancy, it occupies the same place occupied by Taurus in the personality-building half-cycle of the Day-force's ascendancy. To the Taurean mating urge corresponds, thus, another urge, which is Scorpio's essential characteristic. That urge is the urge in the individual to merge in absolute union with other individuals in order to constitute together a greater organic whole."

(from http://www.mindfire.ca/The%20Pulse%20of%20Life/Twelve%20Phases%20of% 20Human%20Experience%20-%20Scorpio.htm )

posted November 03, 2015 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I am impressed with your comments yungang, and you have me thinking deeper about the topic now. I'm looking at the synastry with my ex, and my Venus falls in his 5th (blend of Taurus and Leo) and his moon falls in my 5th (Scorpio and Leo).

With my man now, I have my sun, mercury, Chiron and vesta in his 5th (aries and Leo) and he has his ascendant Uranus and psyche in my 5th.

Jupiter rules his second, which is trine my moon in the 5th. And my 2nd house ruler is cancer. Note that none of his personal planets fall in my 2nd.

I wonder if it might be a blend...Auby mentioned Scorpio, which is where my moon falls, but we have Leo, Taurus, Cancer involved as well. And emphasized Aries synastry...new beginnings perhaps?

All I know is that I swore I was finished having children, and I adore, protect and cherish children so very much. The feeling I get when I am holding any newborn, not just my own, is heavenly. And to nurture my own as they grow, my God, it touches my very core!

I plan to spend the rest of my life with my man...he is everything I have hoped for in a intimate relationship. My thought process now is, how could i ever deny my best friend what they desire so much...to give life to another with me, someone they feel so connected with? I guess I'm just looking for answers to this desire I have to bring another life into this world.

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If you're curious about whether something will happen, it's going to be most helpful to look to progressions, transits to progressions and progressed composite, upcoming solar returns, etc. for clues maybe.

The 1st biological child of a woman is indicated by her natal 4th house, or so say some astrologers I trust--Pat Geisler among them (this stuff doesn't come out of thin air). The second child of a woman is indicated by the 6th, the third by the 8th, and so on, skipping a house each time. For a man this sequence begins with the 5th. So following this pattern, your 4th child would be shown by your 10th house--by transit, progression, etc., look to aspects there. If it's his first biological kid, look to his 5th. Step-kids are shown by the 11th. Same progression according to age of the kids. Your second kid is his 1st house...
Of course kids in general are shown by the 5th no matter what gender.. but for specific children that's the derived house system...

hope this is helpful!

posted November 03, 2015 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

Your 5th house Scorpio Moon, ruler of your 2nd, speaks very beautifully to your love of newborns, your strong urge to create babies with those you love, the very deep joy you feel--very beautiful! I think with a well aspected Scorpio moon-- in the 5th, which rules the second--perhaps the gynecological/fertility/childbearing issues which are so frequently observed in Scorpio moon natives may not have manifested so strongly for you? Hope you don't mind my asking--I am curious because I've been doing some research on this particular count...

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I can tell you that before I had my first child, I was terrified of being an unfit mother. However, when I gave birth to my oldest child, it was as if the gates of heaven opened up and all was right in the world...lol. I knew the moment I gave birth to her that I needed more children. I had my second daughter two years later. I did have a miscarriage in between my 2nd and 3rd, which caused much sadness for me. I was a little over 3 months along with that child. My son was born 2 and a half years after my 2nd daughter.

I always regretted not having children sooner. They bring so much joy into my life. It's as if I can be a child myself once again, if that makes any sense.

posted November 03, 2015 08:10 AM            

I glanced at the progressions this morning. My Sun is in the 10th, in Taurus. His Venus is in his 5th, in Taurus. I will post each chart later on today. I so much value any insight you or anyone else can provide.