posted November 02, 2015 06:06 PM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted November 02, 2015 07:09 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Can someone please explain to me what a twin flame or soulmate is? How can you tell while looking at synastry charts that they qualify as this?

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I don't believe you can. Rather, I've found this to be oversimplified, often wrong, and too likely to return false positives, rather than true answers.

If one must engage in the search for what they conceive as a romantic Holy Grail, I suggest they only employ astrology as means of validating what is already too exceptional beyond words, and almost truly incredible. Unreal. I don't mean the sort of deep compatibility of individuals who feel akin to one another from shared values and experiences of synchronicity; in my humble experience, this is merely the Universe and all it embodies, giving a nod that you're on the right path along your journey. And, if anything, the twin flame is merely the ultimate stop along that path, insofar as destiny is concerned. But to understand that statement, you'd have to do a lot more than research; you'd have to soul-search. Go on a deep pilgrimage outside of established reality and its constructs. You'd have to get lost. And then found again. Repeat the process several times, and then you might grasp an iota of the concept.

That's not to come off as high-and-mighty, I assure you; I'm only just beginning to get something of that aforementioned iota, and it's already been several passes on this merry-go-round. So, I think the better question is one which I, too have been asked -- and thank goodness I have!

What does it matter?

Unless you and your partner have a desire or need to live and conduct yourselves as twin flames, becoming an active part of the 'community', as it were, is there really a reason for such knowledge? Is it necessary?

I've found, in many cases, the simple emotional desire for 'knowing' is a validation of a relationship -- and, many times -- the wrong relationship. We'll hide behind manufactured truths, marching beneath the banner of 'but we're twin flames!' in order to continue along a path which may, in actuality, be taking us further from our destiny, rather than leading us to it.

I think true twin flames are few and far between, and either engaged in big things, or preparing to be. I think they've always known something was different about themselves and their interfacing with the external world. I think, upon solid review, every step of their lives would seem to be an orchestrated push in the direction of eventually meeting their twin flame. And not to fall deeply in love, get married, raise a family, and be deliriously happy; rather, to contribute to a greater purpose or cause. To find that each possess such complementary natures that lend themselves to the creation and execution of movements. Soulmates fall in love. Twin flames launch social revolutions. That's my take on it, thus far.

I also think 99% of the published information out there about it has become a misleading headache, designed to hook the hearts of the lonely and desperate, who are endlessly searching for the perfect love they'd been 'promised' by a society that honestly doesn't have the first clue how to deliver it. As if your twin flame will rescue you from the abusive patterns you've established, that perpetuate your tendency to become involved with the wrong people, unhappy, and hopeless.

The twin flame is nothing more than a 21st century imago -- the evolution of the white knight; a concept, more truthfully, borne of 17th century propaganda designed to stifle equality amongst the sexes, support the politically dominant patriarchy (of the time) and engender fealty to masculine superiority. It's a warped western view of eastern ideals which, really, are much more sound -- even with their violent imagery, and even abusive mythology (take the trials of Parvati, for example).

But this is more anthropomorphising the concept than anything; we're taking an intangible, even godlike constitution, and marrying it to Platonic theory in order to pacify the all-too-human need for companionship. But we will not all be Psyche whisked away to a mountaintop to make love, blindfolded, to the god of love. Much to the chagrin of 'modern versions' of it, like Fifty Shades would have you believe.

Not that our culture -- or humankind in general -- hasn't always been intoxicated by the concept. Again, companionship is an inherent need (for most). And yet, most curiously, in those who might be true twin flames, I've found it less likely that they are driven by a need for companionship, than they are to contribute to the world in a powerful and profound way. Interesting.

These are, of course, my thoughts on the issue -- and it is becoming a legitimate issue -- as more misinformation is spread about, and more individuals become enamoured of the fantasy, and more still find themselves brokenhearted and feeling betrayed once hard reality comes knocking.

posted November 03, 2015 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Why do I get the feeling I will not ever meet my twin flame? It seems pretty impossible to meet them.

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posted November 03, 2015 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Neptune29:
I 100% agree. I think the most important indicator of being with your twin is "BITH OF YOU" realize that. There is no doubt. There are no misunderstandings.. No hard feelings. No powergames you just love him like a mother loves her child. Because of him you go through inner transformstion which can be a hard.. painful experience but there is no place for negative feelings for him.
Whenever you are around him you feel complete.. You feel as if you are around GOD..this a utterly peaceful.. Inexplicably peaceful...
The more you run behind finding proofs for this the more you get trapped.

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I agree with most of this, with a few stark differences. Yes, the key is BOTH feel this way; if it's only one, and the other one plays a game with the first -- usually out of an unhealthy need for validation -- then I'm going to say, outright, that it couldn't be a twin flame situation. It just doesn't 'feel' right to me.

I completely agree with the sense of peace, but I don't get the deification thing. In fact, one of the big things has been to strive to NOT feel as if I'm holding hands with a god -- and I'm a fool. ('Can You Read My Mind?' was one of the first songs I ever covered in one of my concerts, back when I actively performed.) In other words, I feel it could be dangerous to place the other upon such a pedestal. I'm fully aware of his shortcomings, personal issues, and what makes him human. I just happen to be able to love him completely -- utterly unable to fall out of love with him, and only able to not feel madly in love for, oh, maybe a few weeks. Months. At absolute most, a couple of years. I don't think that can ever happen again, however. We didn't have this sort of relationship then. I could still convince myself that he isn't who he is -- then. I'll never be able to do that again. And, I suspect, being able to fall out of love with him likely went with it. Tough to say -- except that we're both rather shocked that we're still this much in love -- after five years. We're damned near punch-drunk at times; literally intoxicated by the neurological cocktail of the emotions we experience together. I find myself occasionally being unable to contain it that I have to actually burst into song -- like I'm in a freaking Bollywood film. (Though, that would be amazing.)

Anyway. I have a weird theory, though.

Though I hesitate to use the 'twin flame' terminology these days (except where absolutely essential to the discussion) I've got to say, whatever these are, they are legitimately stupefying. In my experience: you're not just in love with someone; they've been a part of your life in some unreal fashion for several years -- or even since childhood. They feel like, well, an imaginary friend come to life. You're terrified to love them -- to give them that sort of power over you -- because of how losing them would feel like carving a piece of your own soul. Again -- not because 'they're so perfect in every way', or fill you with romantic fantasy -- but because they have been such an overwhelming thread, woven throughout your life, that to try and remove it feels as if you'll unravel completely -- whether or not that's true. You can't fathom losing them to something as relatively permanent as death; it's too final. You can't bear it. Not because you're loving them with emotions of the heart (per se), but because they're a fixture of your soul. You can't ever hope to replace them, because of how incredibly unique the imprint is -- which they match identically/i] -- and is emblazoned upon your mind, and has been for a considerable time -- long before you ever met them. You can love again, but you can never have [i]that love, or that experience.

To be completely honest with you, it's bloody inconvenient. You can only plead with God in a respectful effort to both stay on the planet long enough together, to complete the work you're here to do, and love each other. Because it isn't the heart that mourns, it's the soul -- it's everything; every fibre of your being.

Oddly enough, it's this very nightmare which first came to fictional life -- almost like inoculation -- through the story which 'birthed' this image of him. I suppose then, for over a decade now, I'd been playing at being able to let him go. But I say playing at, because it's the beginning of the story -- not its ending. So it merely becomes a bizarre exercise in catharsis; losing him, reaching a point of desperation and misery to where her (my) entire cosmology is reworked, and literally breaking reality to achieve reunion.

I'm not saying he's my twin flame. I am saying that these are my experiences, and the shoe fits surprisingly well; almost bespoken. As we're both creative professionals, especially writers, we are always exploring story to understand and exhibit greater truths and ideals. We've written a lot with the same themes -- undergoing the same experiences, facing the same hard choices, and trying to endure the consequences of those actions. The difference is, they're from opposite points of view. Whereas I'm telling the story from this side, he tells it from the other. We end up with a strangely complete experience that way.

So. What am I saying?

The experience forces you to reexamine everything you ever knew -- about everything (and that's not hyperbole) -- and become the best possible version of yourself that you know how.

Is it kinda sometimes occasionally like being in love with Superman? (To return to the aforementioned theme). Ohhhh, yeah. Some things are just ... you think they can't be true. Nobody is THAT intrinsically driven to uphold solid values, and literally fight for justice -- outside of comic book heroes. No one is that free of vitriol, poisonous anger, and seeks the benefit of all -- to the point of sacrificing their own happiness. No one is that bloody exceptional. That truly good.

But he is; he truly, absolutely is, and it has completely redefined what a human being is capable of, in my eyes. Doing little more than leading by example, he has blown me away with his severely good-natured core, almost identity-defining hatred of abuse, and any form of what could be considered evil or sinister, and core value of being the man whose reflection he can greet every morning, accepting of his humanity, dedicated to living as evolved of a life as he can, and outright refusing anything less of himself -- ever.

This is no act. This is not a ploy. He is exceptional. And, frankly, it's made me consider the potential legitimacy of a twin flame. Because it's THOSE same ideals which my imaginary best friend and spirit guide embodies completely, at times to his own detriment, but always to the benefit of others. Especially me.

posted November 05, 2015 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Thank you all for your responses! Lots of good information here. Very informative!

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