posted November 10, 2015 10:15 AM            

Or can that not be determined by astrology?

What aspects causes the feeling of wanting a person to be in your life forever?

posted November 10, 2015 10:29 AM            

I suppose everyone will have a different take on it...

Usually, Saturn plays a role. I also think a strong, geometric composite chart has holding power.

Another thing to consider might be draconic charts...I say this because I have key draconic conjunctions with most of the people I've stayed with over the long haul.

My best friend's draconic chart practically overlaps my natal chart. We've been friends since we were little and cannot imagine us ever having a fall-out.

posted November 10, 2015 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hmm...good question.

I suppose everyone will have a different take on it...

Usually, Saturn plays a role. I also think a strong, geometric composite chart has holding power.

Another thing to consider might be draconic charts...I say this because I have key draconic conjunctions with most of the people I've stayed with over the long haul.

My best friend's draconic chart practically overlaps my natal chart. We've been friends since we were little and cannot imagine us ever having a fall-out.

My husband's draconic chart has a stellium more or less conjunct my sun. 'Been together 17 years. We also have a structured composite chart and a Venus-Saturn conjunction.

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posted November 10, 2015 11:43 AM            

I agree with Faith. As I looked at synastry and natal to draconic, a few things stood out.

Venus connections first of all.
Venus to Venus or Venus to moon. Conjunction is what seemed to be most powerful. But Venus to sun and Venus to Venus were present as well.

Moon! Like I said, Venus/moon connection. Moon to moon I didn't find so much. Not in long lasting friendship that withstood long periods of little communication.
However, I did notice draconic moon to natal moon conjunction or moon/Venus.

posted November 10, 2015 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I was looking at charts of these kind of people in my life, which isn't many because connections that special don't come my way often. I have that kind of friendship with someone on LL as a matter of fact but they very rarely post.

I agree with Faith. As I looked at synastry and natal to draconic, a few things stood out.

Venus connections first of all.
Venus to Venus or Venus to moon. Conjunction is what seemed to be most powerful. But Venus to sun and Venus to Venus were present as well.

Moon! Like I said, Venus/moon connection. Moon to moon I didn't find so much. Not in long lasting friendship that withstood long periods of little communication.
However, I did notice draconic moon to natal moon conjunction or moon/Venus.

Sun (sun Venus conjunction) also but in my personal experiences moon and Venus were the primary planets involved.

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posted November 10, 2015 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
See: thread 'Are there any lifetime binding aspects in synastry or composite?'

See: 'SATURN'.

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posted November 10, 2015 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Can you post the (natal) synastry as well?

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posted November 10, 2015 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
What does the draconic chart represent?

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...the Draconic chart can be categorised as karmic, spiritual and unconscious, with possible connections to reincarnation. It pinpoints those we draw close to us in our lifetimes, to resolve unconscious issues , which in turn connects to our state of physical and emotional health. It speaks less of free will than the basic natal chart.

Through our Draconic chart we can discover how others are acutely, albeit subconsciously, aware of our soul's purpose and act accordingly -- opening life's doors and sometimes slamming them in our face. It traces where we came from (test it with parents and grandparent's charts) and where we are going (compare it with the charts of your children and soul mates). Links will be found by comparing Natal and Draconic charts, plus Draconic and Draconic. Draconic charts are also quite sensitve to transits, so compare the Draconic chart with transits of important events.

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Do you need to have the correct birth time for both people to do a draconic chart?

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Yes to have a complete study. But you can glean a lot without the birth time.

posted November 10, 2015 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I agree with Faith.

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And thanks for your observations.

Yes it only makes sense that Venus plays a role...you hang around each other, because you genuinely like each other.

posted November 10, 2015 03:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes to have a complete study. But you can glean a lot without the birth time.

Thanks for the synastry, I assume you are the Taurus (hence screen name)?

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posted November 10, 2015 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Yes I am a Taurus do you know anything about the Pluto/Proserpina aspect? I have this aspect with someone we have it in the Draconic, Composite, Synastry and Davison chart.

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Oh! Yes I see that above. Sorry but I know almost nothing about Pluto/Proserpina. Hope someone else can shed some light there.

You and this Virgo have interesting synastry, with the Mars conjunct south node going both ways. That probably has staying power; perhaps it's an issue where you can return to each other for inspiration when you feel lost.

Also your moon and Jupiter form a yod with the Virgo's Venus at the apex. Good feelings there!

The Virgo's Venus sextile Saturn means they are capable of long lasting relationships; they don't just flake out when trouble comes.

If the Virgo's moon is indeed conjunct your Saturn, that may extend your relationship while challenging the joy of it somewhat.

posted November 10, 2015 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh! Yes I see that above. Sorry but I know almost nothing about Pluto/Proserpina. Hope someone else can shed some light there.

You and this Virgo have interesting synastry, with the Mars conjunct south node going both ways. That probably has staying power; perhaps it's an issue where you can return to each other for inspiration when you feel lost.

Also your moon and Jupiter form a yod with the Virgo's Venus at the apex. Good feelings there!

The Virgo's Venus sextile Saturn means they are capable of long lasting relationships; they don't just flake out when trouble comes.

If the Virgo's moon is indeed conjunct your Saturn, that may extend your relationship while challenging the joy of it somewhat.

Maybe I'm just bad at spotting things, but the natal-to-draconic synastry doesn't look very strong. Am I missing something?

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posted November 10, 2015 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I don't know what the natal-to-draconic synastry is. I just created the chart on astro.com using the Warning
draconic feature.

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posted November 10, 2015 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I mean, comparing natal placements to draconic placements. So, your natal sun is in early Taurus ~~ you would look to see if the Virgo has draconic planets in early Taurus, and that would be a natal-to-draconic conjunction.

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posted November 10, 2015 04:54 PM            

If you can't read synastry charts, you can look up the Virgo's draconic chart. The degrees will be listed below, which makes it easier to check if anything aspects your natal chart.

posted November 10, 2015 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Yes, I was just giving you a simple example. You posted the Virgo's draconic chart above ~ there is nothing in early Taurus.

If you can't read synastry charts, you can look up the Virgo's draconic chart. The degrees will be listed below, which makes it easier to check if anything aspects your natal chart.

But this may be too complicated, too fast, if you are just getting into astrology.

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posted November 10, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Him not having anything in early Taurus is a bad thing?

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It's not bad...

But conjunctions between the natal chart and draconic charts CAN be binding, so if you had the Virgo's draconic moon on your natal sun, for instance, I'd say, "That's a good sign." Not a guarantee. Just something that enriches the whole relationship picture.

posted November 10, 2015 05:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Also sun-moon midpoint activation comes up a lot for me.

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posted November 11, 2015 03:44 AM            

But if we're looking at deep lifetime connexions? Yes. Those are heavy hitters across all three major systems: tropical, Draconic, and sidereal. In other words, the past (sidereal) and future (Draconic) is anchored in the present (tropical). This shows multidimensionality, which, in my experience, is very binding -- literally across time.