posted November 21, 2015 10:03 PM            

See: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/004044.html

posted November 21, 2015 10:09 PM            

My husband of 18 yrs had quite a few planets in my 2nd. And although the 2nd house covers personal finances, it also has to do with self-worth and self-esteem. He had a huge impact on me in that regard, as well as money wise.

posted November 21, 2015 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by VestasLight:

... it also has to do with self-worth and self-esteem. He had a huge impact on me in that regard, as well as money wise.

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posted November 21, 2015 10:39 PM            

Vestaslight, I agree with you there. I feel I have a HUGE impact on his self worth and maybe the 2nd is why. I find it so easy to believe in him and what he stands for in this world. And he acknowledges my support. He says that I seem to know EXACTLY what to say..

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:

Now, if YOU have natal 8H points which are being overlaid in someone's 2H -- that's a horse of a different colour. They're going to naturally have an 8H feel that will be expressed in a 2H way and manner.

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Well I do right? My sun/merc/Eros/aphro is in my 8th house making me quite scorpionic along with my scorp ASC. They overlay into his 2nd conjuncting his Mars/aphro. My 8th ruler is Mercury too.
Is that what you mean by points??
Can you explain what you mean by a horse of a different colour?

posted November 23, 2015 01:19 PM            

Now the most automatic response would be his SUN falling into my 11H, the 'House of Friends', that his instinctually erotic nature would be 'friendzoned' in a way. That's why the common sense test must first be applied. We can say, 'sure, that's potential, and it could be happening,' and examine all possibilities. Since that didn't happen, I was able to keep evaluating further, to find, how IS his 8H expressing in my 11H?

Well, another expression of the 11H is scientific research -- and our sexual relationship began at all because we were two asexual schizoids wondering what the hell is up with the whole sex thing. It's never been a need for us. Instead, it's more of something we hold on to because there are times we find it worthwhile, and it's a necessary outlet for the curious wellspring of natural chemistry we have together. Go figure!

The SUN is identity, after all, and wherever it falls in the chart will be a BIG deal. Outside of his working to help me realise my dearest hopes and dreams -- there's that.

So the 8H overlay is going to be this push/pull balancing act between personal resources and those of others. One of my dearest soul-sisters has her 8H Libran stellium overlaying my 2H -- with my SUN, PLUTO, of course. It's a big one -- including her MOON-PLUTO.

We're bound at the deepest levels of existence. It's like being ancient ones who recognised each other in youth, and, in our characteristically low-key manner, accepted the companionship of one of our own. All of this underlying everything, of course. But it remains unbreakable, and never dulled by time. It doesn't happen much, that overlay, in my life.

I've always tried to take her most profound and transformative talents and give them wider exposure -- whether she's performing a role in a pinch for me -- which ends up being the final demo -- or she creates a character that goes on to be in projects beyond its origin point. And, if she needs me, I'm there. And if she's in pain, I'm in pain.

There's a deep, powerful empathetic bond. Even for schizoids! And, we can often communicate 'wordlessly' -- in quotes, as we both prefer texting. But the words that are chosen are sparse and selective. We know what the other is saying.

And, of course, we're multidimensional.

A quirky thing: we've both been with the same man, having dated him at separate times in our youth. So we've had some rollicking chats about that! Especially never throwing each other under the bus when we were 'the girlfriend' and the other was 'the crazy ex'. I remember always saying, 'I'm just not seeing what you're seeing.' And, even then, there was this odd, deep, soulful loyalty.

Perhaps that blathering spiel is helpful. But, eh, maybe not. It's just my experience with the 8H/2H overlay. Granted, in a platonic friendship, but the love is real -- and deep. I'd imagine between lovers, it'd just take on a sexual undertone -- or overtone, depending. But think of it meshing with personal finances, self-esteem, talents, and --

AND --

posted November 24, 2015 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
If there are all 8H points, they're going to be expressing themselves in ways that relate to the 8H. In my relationship, his 8H SUN overlays my 11H. So his naturally transformative solar energy has found incredible expression in terms of my hopes and dreams. His very identity has helped me feel 'dreams really can come true' -- and in a very literal sense.

Now the most automatic response would be his SUN falling into my 11H, the 'House of Friends', that his instinctually erotic nature would be 'friendzoned' in a way. That's why the common sense test must first be applied. We can say, 'sure, that's potential, and it could be happening,' and examine all possibilities. Since that didn't happen, I was able to keep evaluating further, to find, how IS his 8H expressing in my 11H?

Well, another expression of the 11H is scientific research -- and our sexual relationship began at all because we were two asexual schizoids wondering what the hell is up with the whole sex thing. It's never been a need for us. Instead, it's more of something we hold on to because there are times we find it worthwhile, and it's a necessary outlet for the curious wellspring of natural chemistry we have together. Go figure!

The SUN is identity, after all, and wherever it falls in the chart will be a BIG deal. Outside of his working to help me realise my dearest hopes and dreams -- there's that.

So the 8H overlay is going to be this push/pull balancing act between personal resources and those of others. One of my dearest soul-sisters has her 8H Libran stellium overlaying my 2H -- with my SUN, PLUTO, of course. It's a big one -- including her MOON-PLUTO.

We're bound at the deepest levels of existence. It's like being ancient ones who recognised each other in youth, and, in our characteristically low-key manner, accepted the companionship of one of our own. All of this underlying everything, of course. But it remains unbreakable, and never dulled by time. It doesn't happen much, that overlay, in my life.

I've always tried to take her most profound and transformative talents and give them wider exposure -- whether she's performing a role in a pinch for me -- which ends up being the final demo -- or she creates a character that goes on to be in projects beyond its origin point. And, if she needs me, I'm there. And if she's in pain, I'm in pain.

There's a deep, powerful empathetic bond. Even for schizoids! And, we can often communicate 'wordlessly' -- in quotes, as we both prefer texting. But the words that are chosen are sparse and selective. We know what the other is saying.

And, of course, we're multidimensional.

A quirky thing: we've both been with the same man, having dated him at separate times in our youth. So we've had some rollicking chats about that! Especially never throwing each other under the bus when we were 'the girlfriend' and the other was 'the crazy ex'. I remember always saying, 'I'm just not seeing what you're seeing.' And, even then, there was this odd, deep, soulful loyalty.

Perhaps that blathering spiel is helpful. But, eh, maybe not. It's just my experience with the 8H/2H overlay. Granted, in a platonic friendship, but the love is real -- and deep. I'd imagine between lovers, it'd just take on a sexual undertone -- or overtone, depending. But think of it meshing with personal finances, self-esteem, talents, and --

AND --

Karmic relationships. Why? Because the 2H is the House of Soulmates.

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What you have said resonates with me SO much. I can relate to how you have experienced it.
I find that I definitely have a transformative power in an 8th house kind of way on his self worth, hope and dreams. I've always believed in him and supported him throughout his career from the moment I met him. So it's a bit different to your experience where it was the other way round for you and your friend. Her 8th house stellium overlaying your 2nd. In this case my 8th house stellium overlays his. Although now that I think about it he does believe in my talents too and is very supportive and uplifting in me wanting to pursue my dreams. It's just I've felt it more so coming from me.

The sexual attraction is quite intense. Almost too much i don't know what to do with it! Sex between us is HUGELY transformative too. Very healing. I can see the effect our intimacy has on our self worth too and it's also helping me delve into deeply felt themes in an 8th house way.

posted December 05, 2015 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Karmic relationships. Why? Because the 2H is the House of Soulmates. [/B]

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I just had to say Aubyanne that you brought up an EXCELLENT point

Although my ex and I are divorced now, we both strongly feel we are soul mates. We have heavy 2nd house overlay (there is also a ton of other karmic/fated synastry to back it up)

Just wanted to add that for everyone's learning here on LL because many focus only on Nodes, Vertex and/or Saturn as karmic indicators, but the 2nd house needs to be added to the list.

posted December 06, 2015 07:17 AM            

My personal experience reflects exactly that. His Moon, Pallas are on my 2nd and his Saturn, Uranus and Neptune sit on my 2nd from his 8th (considering his time of birth is correct) and he has a crazy influence on my self esteem and self worth, even from a far.

posted December 06, 2015 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:

He affects me deeply and he is definitely making (aka forcing?) me fix my own self confidence issues. He makes questions like "Is this too good to be true?" arise in me.

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You know Sunnya, that "question"... pretty common when you are struggling with self-esteem. When the 8th and 2nd get together in synastry it's a powerful, deep psychological connection that can change you. On a soul level, you know it... hence the questioning of it all.

posted December 06, 2015 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by VestasLight:
You know Sunnya, that "question"... pretty common when you are struggling with self-esteem. When the 8th and 2nd get together in synastry it's a powerful, deep psychological connection that can change you. On a soul level, you know it... hence the questioning of it all.

Wanna give you a hug and say hold on and go with it. :Heart:

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Yes Vesta and I deserve it too, I just need to believe that.
Aw you have no idea how timely your words and your hug are, thank you. You are a sweetheart.

posted December 06, 2015 02:56 PM              

BTW, why is this thread closed?

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 06, 2015 02:57 PM              

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Originally posted by EmGem:
*tumbleweed*

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posted December 06, 2015 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by VestasLight:
When the 8th and 2nd get together in synastry it's a powerful, deep psychological connection that can change you. On a soul level, you know it... hence the questioning of it all.

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posted December 07, 2015 03:52 AM            

I first came across the designation of each house through a karmic lens via Bob Mulligan, in a fabulous book called Web of Relationships. His explanation for the 2H being what it is:

'The 2nd House is extremely important when you're looking at the chart from the karmic level. This house is the memory track. It is the 3rd from the 12th, the 12th House signifying the consolidation of the past. The 2nd House represents the mind of your last life, or the consolidation of your past lives. Special karmic relationships often show up in the 2nd House. Why? This is the house of material resources and self-worth; it shows how we appraise ourselves and is thus extremely important. Relationships that show up here have a great deal to say about what will happen in the course of this lifetime in terms of close critical relationships.'

posted December 07, 2015 07:26 AM            

@Aubyanne thanks a lot for that. Having his stellium in my 2nd (including his Moon) is something else. Get well soon .

posted December 07, 2015 07:30 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Take a look here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000386-4.html

BTW, why is this thread closed?

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posted December 07, 2015 04:38 PM            

But I gotta say, you're the best thank you 🙃