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Topic: Similarities Between Charts; Kindred Spirits
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yungang_grotto
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From: red river valley
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posted December 04, 2015 09:19 AM
  
Considering that compatibility has a wide range of factors, we can likely agree that synastry and composite charts are not the only astrological indication of positive resonance and mutual complementarity between two people. Drawing on LeeLoo's and Lotis White's contributions in terms of aspect completion and compatibility based on natal chart factors (what is your chart asking for? What completes/helps/soothes your soul?) I'd like to start this thread to inquire whether you've noticed any striking--or subtle--similarities between your charts and those of your dear ones. I'm thinking certain factors might predispose us towards a deeper understanding of another--particularly finding our own most sensitive peculiarities mirrored or echoed in the chart of the other, whether or not those points make significant connections synastrically (and especially if they do).For instance, my 12th house peregrine Venus in Libra, as many of you know already, 'runs away' with my chart in many ways, as Noel Tyl would say. The peregrination demands attention, soaks everything up lime a sponge, and so although I'm a quadruple Scorpio with a lunar Capricorn vibe, I'm intensely Libran, very much driven by relationships, caring about the other very, very much--and sort of secretly sensual, a mystery to myself, deeply affected and possibly affecting others in ways which are somewhat unconscious... 12th house styles. I also am most satisfied by a seemingly unattainable vision of intimacy and partnership which comprises spirituality in a very essential way and involves a lot of fantasy and near impossibility... Enter my friend--who also has a peregrine 12th house Venus natally, which falls in my 7th house. Ahh. An opportunity here to interact with another person who experiences life something like I do. He is a somewhat infamous romantic, and deeply affects those around him, probably without realizing it. He's beautiful and spiritual.. His Venus is in Taurus; both of our Venuses are in their home signs, and wonderfully complementary, even if making no discernable mathematical aspects between one another. However, his Sun in Aries opposite my Libran Venus is intensely romantic. I have learned something about Aries and Libra this week. They are extremely well suited to one another, to care, to give and receive. When they're harmoniously paired especially (as with Sun and Venus, a natural pairing). IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 04, 2015 09:22 AM
One of my pet theories in astrology YAY  shamelessly bumping an old thread of mine http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209893.html IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 04, 2015 09:41 AM
I think we're all rooting for you and your friend, yungang, especially after reading that!And it is an interesting topic ~ 'will check your link after this, Ceri. My husband and I are so different in many ways, but also have these things where we just click, very uniquely. Saturn is a big part of our relationship picture, and the first example that comes to mind. It impacts our personal planets in similar ways. The Sun:
His Leo sun is trine Saturn exact (0.02 orb, I think) and mine is in Capricorn, in mutual reception with Leo Saturn. The Moon:
We both have moon = Saturn/Uranus midpoint. Mercury:
His is square Saturn, mine opposes Saturn.
Also: His is trine his DSC, mine conjunct my DSC. His Mercury in stellium with Mars, Pluto, and Venus. My Mercury disposits Gemini Mars, is trine 3H Pluto, and is sextile Venus. Venus:
His is square Saturn, mine is trine Saturn.  Not sure what any of it really means, but Saturn has that gluey consistency, and we're still together. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 04, 2015 09:55 AM
at the time I wrote the post I had not included the midpoints, but I definitely think they make for common ground, too.
Thanks for pointing that out, Faith.  i was even wondering if I was vibing with someone with a dynamic Sun-Pluto-aspect because of my midpoint picture of Moon=Sun/Pluto. Not totally sure yet if that is comparable, but it sort of resonates in my mind IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 04, 2015 10:26 AM
Vibing with little old sun-square-Pluto me???  Or Lancelot? Me, probably. I'd choose me. LOL, anyway, I am just a student to you with midpoints so you can thank yourself for circulating the ideas.  I left a comment on your other thread and wonder what you think of it. I'll repeat it here because it might be important to address: If the mirroring is strong but the composite is weak, composite wins, right? The people just have a nice time together and wander off?
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yungang_grotto
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From: red river valley
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posted December 04, 2015 10:45 AM
Ceri: Yesss figures you have thought of and enjoy this theory Shame hath no place in a culture of learning and earnest sharing! Share those epic threads!! just thought I'd contribute some of my thoughts as i wasnt sure what to look for etc etc yoou know! Faith, your detailed analysis of your husband's and your similarities is very inspiring. It caused me to remember a few things about our charts... Me: Moon conjunct Neptune
him: Moon square Neptune Me: Saturn square Mars
him: Mars opposite Saturn I haven't looked in depth enough to know much more but the mutual reception and midpoints are definitely an interesting thing to look into! The more I think about it the more I recall that we both put a lot of midpoints into Sag... And thank you, the well wishes mean a lot. Things are going really well
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yungang_grotto
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posted December 04, 2015 10:48 AM
Also, Faith, if I may--I think a cohesive composite will indeed make it much more likely that two people will develop a more in depth relationship, despite seeing something of themselves in the other. That's an astute and useful observation. There are people in my world with whom I resonate deeply and we are barely acquaintances, it doesn't seem natural to engage very often, and yet there's mutual admiration and liking. I'd look for vertex stuff by transit and other things to bring us together when we need to come together. Of course our composites EXIST but it's an interesting thought that our compatibility could be largely ascribed to our similarities, even if the composite--and indeed the synastry--isn't especially binding or even harmonious. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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From: red river valley
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posted December 04, 2015 11:17 AM
Oh wow, interesting... My Sun is peregrine too, unless you count an 8' wide conjunction with Pluto and a 3' trine to Ceres. His is peregrine unless you count a 1' conjunction with Vesta and a 7' opposition to Pluto! Our Suns are inconjunct in Aries and Scorpio. Whoa. I dunno, that's something to me, that Pluto thang. IP: Logged |
VirgoPILL
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From: cosmos
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posted December 04, 2015 11:33 AM
thanks for this topic!i went through natal aspects looking for similarities a few days ago but these posts help me so much as to where, how and what to look for to understand more about compatibility and astrology.
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Ceridwen
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posted December 04, 2015 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
If the mirroring is strong but the composite is weak, composite wins, right? The people just have a nice time together and wander off?
the will feel a resonance that feels just natural to them, like they "get each other" (provided they are not projecting of course) , but if no aspects are there (which includes composite) then there will be not much room to find an outlet and expression of the perceived energetic resonance. Also Iwant to add that even if the composite seems great - whatever that is- sometimes the timing just seems to be off. Hence I think no analysis is complete without considering the progressed charts and/or transits (including to composite) IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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posted December 04, 2015 01:08 PM
Ceri, just found time to read your thread. All the things I might have thought given a good long ponder, only a little better and more polished!   Beautiful. Also your answer above seems more apt Credit where credit is due! I am a fledgling! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted December 06, 2015 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
One of my pet theories in astrology YAY shamelessly bumping an old thread of mine http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/209893.html
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Aubyanne
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posted December 06, 2015 06:34 PM
Lee's pattern completion, Lotis is secondary houses, and I'm core dynamics -- or, that ultimate compatibility starts in having same, similar, or complementary natal 'themes'. And, yes, I DO find this the linchpin.Just wanted to put that out there. Even my addled brain saw that wasn't quite right. And Ceri is, oh, lord, she's contributed gobs over time. IP: Logged |
thegrinning_cat
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posted December 06, 2015 07:18 PM
I think it's a very important point for analyzing relationships - sometimes you just don't understand why people stay, when there is a lot of bad stuff going on.
But these similarities can be irresitable.For example a couple I know.
He has Saturn square Venus and Sun natally.
She has Saturn opposite Venus. In synastry they have Sun conjunct Saturn, and the other Saturn conjunct the DSC. But you might as well be highly attracted to a partner who brings a "solution" to your tense aspects.
This can be the start of a triangle relationship  It was problably no coincidence that my Moon conjuncted his Sun and Venus…and balanced the Saturn Square he suffered from.
Interestingly they had barly a Venus Aspect in their Synastry and the relationship felt stifling and restictive…I have Venus in Libra and with me he had a Neptune/Venus DW. ;( He fell in love with me, but feels unable to quit the Saturn relationship…. There is a really great book about all that by Liz Greene - you can read a shortcut here:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/lgreene.html IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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From: red river valley
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posted December 06, 2015 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Lee's pattern completion, Lotis is secondary houses, and I'm core dynamics -- or, that ultimate compatibility starts in having same, similar, or complementary natal 'themes'. And, yes, I DO find this the linchpin.Just wanted to put that out there. Even my addled brain saw that wasn't quite right. And Ceri is, oh, lord, she's contributed gobs over time.
Thank you for clarifying, i was, in my muddled way, trying to give credit but yes   so much... so much good from you all Incredible stuff if we plumb the depths of these forums. Genius stuff. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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From: red river valley
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posted December 06, 2015 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
I think it's a very important point for analyzing relationships - sometimes you just don't understand why people stay, when there is a lot of bad stuff going on.
But these similarities can be irresitable.For example a couple I know.
He has Saturn square Venus and Sun natally.
She has Saturn opposite Venus. In synastry they have Sun conjunct Saturn, and the other Saturn conjunct the DSC. But you might as well be highly attracted to a partner who brings a "solution" to your tense aspects.
This can be the start of a triangle relationship It was problably no coincidence that my Moon conjuncted his Sun and Venus…and balanced the Saturn Square he suffered from.
Interestingly they had barly a Venus Aspect in their Synastry and the relationship felt stifling and restictive…I have Venus in Libra and with me he had a Neptune/Venus DW. ;( He fell in love with me, but feels unable to quit the Saturn relationship…. There is a really great book about all that by Liz Greene - you can read a shortcut here:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/lgreene.html
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Aubyanne
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posted December 06, 2015 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
For example a couple I know.
He has Saturn square Venus and Sun natally.
She has Saturn opposite Venus.
That is one example, but a much more obvious expression. I've found these can be subtle yet ubiquitous throughout affinities and resonance, where the core dynamics of the charts are a match for each other. I'm sorry that you're in a tense situation. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted December 06, 2015 11:02 PM
I know I'm always asking about declinations, but can we look at them too?E.g. Is there a natal similarity here?
His sun conjunct Venus
My sun parallel Venus IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted December 07, 2015 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
I know I'm always asking about declinations, but can we look at them too?E.g. Is there a natal similarity here?
His sun conjunct Venus
My sun parallel Venus
Absolutely. The difference is 'karmic urgency'. What his SUN conjunct VENUS represents, karmically speaking, is at the top of the karmic to-do list for him. For you, it's a lesson that's been learnt, but you're repeating old patterns and recovering some old ground to be SURE you've successfully completed it. If these aspect, then you're working on some parts of them together, naturally as represented by the houses involved. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted December 07, 2015 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Thank you for clarifying, i was, in my muddled way, trying to give credit but yes so much... so much good from you all Incredible stuff if we plumb the depths of these forums. Genius stuff.
No worries at all. We've all got our 'specialities' which emerge over time; our pet subjects, per se. While I've been delving into karmic and multidimensional astrology in some form for a very long time, what sprung from my own research and experience was this holistic view of interpersonal astrology originating in the natal. It was almost as if, shorter term relationships can thrive in the face of great synastry. But there was a paradox emerging with the long term relationships and marriages. Some were very strong in the absence of equivalent synastry. Others, of course, suffered -- in spite of excellent synastry and composite. I wondered: what is up here? It started with my mini solar readings, which came from a surprisingly simple detail that provides a lot of information: the SUN's tropical placement in terms of house, (its Huber degree) decanate and dwad, and tightest aspects. But when I started doing this in synastry (which invariably happened before long), I was either blown away at how well matched even the most cursorily glanced traditionally bad or just 'no common ground or link here' solar placements were. This, again, is NOT synastry. It's merely taking each as itself and examining the core dynamics operating at the base of these crucial points -- SUN to start, then MOON, ASC, and the personal points, with a few key asteroids thrown in as warranted. You could almost remove the esoteric jargon we toss around so easily, and read the two delineations together to find very little difference. It's really something! IP: Logged |
thegrinning_cat
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posted December 07, 2015 06:02 AM
Thank you Aubyanne! I hope you and your cat are better! <3 "Karmic Urgency", I love that term. Is it possible to do those solar readings on astro.com?
I don't know what tropical is.. IP: Logged |
Aubyanne
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posted December 07, 2015 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by thegrinning_cat:
Thank you Aubyanne! I hope you and your cat are better! <3 "Karmic Urgency", I love that term. Is it possible to do those solar readings on astro.com?
I don't know what tropical is..
We're slowly coming around. He'd got a head start, but I've turned the corner now, so, I'm gaining on him.  I think only I might be offering that particular type of reading right now. I've not seen it elsewhere. Not yet, at least. 'Tropical' is shorthand for 'geocentric tropical' or the default zodiacal calculation. Unless you've selected another method, it's going to be tropical. IP: Logged | |
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