posted December 23, 2015 10:34 AM              

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for the record.

1. Leeloo is one of the most knowledgeable astrologers around here, who definitely knows her stuff.

2. Astrologers (professional or not) are often disagreeing on certain things. We tend to be an opinionated bunch here, as such, I have to agree with Leeloo, while I admire Todd`s skills in interpreting composites on their own, I also think they need to be related back to the natals. The natal is always the point of reference.

3. This is a public forum. Of course you can express your wish for a certain user answering you, but since this is a public place, everyone can have their say, if you like it or not.

4. Yes, I have posted my solar return here, and as you may have noticed, noone replied. Rightfully so probably, as it did not belong in this section anyway. Or maybe it did, I thought it did because of the way I framed the question (which was interpersonally related).

5. And yes, Spongebob, you are flooding the forum with requests for reading different composites.
Todd has been very generous in interpreting pretty much any composite posted here (and personally I love reading his interpretations); his generosity will probably make people becoming a little too demanding. However that is not my place to say. He can handle that well on his own and will state if t is getting too much.
I cannot speak on his behalf, he is his own person.

6. Semisextiles are NOT harmonious aspects. They are minor aspects (and with 2 degree orb will not be very much in the centre) and they connect different modalities and incompatible elements with each other (like the quinkunx).

They are not just a watered down version of the sextile.

But their forte is that planets in semisextile can teach each other and learn from each other as they represent subsequent steps in an evolutionary process. As such they are very intriguing aspects.

7. Saturn on the ASC in synastry CAN be stifling, suffocating, controlling OR supportive, reliable and making things very solid.

How this manifests depends on the natal charts, what other aspects Saturn makes and how each person handles their own Saturn.

posted December 23, 2015 05:59 PM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 23, 2015 06:35 PM              

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
this particular sub-forum is extremely hostile to newcomers.

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Don't you call IA hostile, especially to newcomers, it's a shameless lie, I was here when it was born, I have been part of its birth and entire evolution, and what is actually hostile is your lurking you keep "bragging" about, followed by your presence here focused on gossip and personal interests only, and sucking the blood out of someone who's offering free readings, or feeling like there is never enough for you to receive, like the other one, VirgoPill, and then turning extremely rude, violent and whiny, your true face most likely, when some people are upfront about it.

This for me crossed the line, you and VirgoPill blaming your own shortcomings on the community here, full of people trying every day to help others, as much as they can, people from all over the world, sharing. Not coming here just to use others on a fast-food chain.

In the spirit of holidays, I hope you two get to see clearly and change for the better, wherever you are.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted December 23, 2015 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spongebob:
[b] this particular sub-forum is extremely hostile to newcomers.

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Don't you call IA hostile, especially to newcomers, it's a shameless lie, I was here when it was born, I have been part of its birth and entire evolution, and what is actually hostile is your lurking you keep "bragging" about, followed by your presence here focused on gossip and personal interests only, and sucking the blood out of someone who's offering free readings, or feeling like there is never enough for you to receive, like the other one, VirgoPill, and then turning extremely rude, violent and whiny, your true face most likely, when some people are upfront about it.

This for me crossed the line, you and VirgoPill blaming your own shortcomings on the community here, full of people trying every day to help others, as much as they can, people from all over the world, sharing. Not coming here just to use others on a fast-food chain.

In the spirit of holidays, I hope you two get to see clearly and change for the better, wherever you are.

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posted December 24, 2015 03:50 AM              

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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
leave this thread alone and stop using others as punching bags!

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VirgoPill, you saying nobody is answering here to you is a disrespectful lie that got on my nerves, and for it I send a light remark, an irony to you, while at the same time trying to help. You turned this irony into a string of personal insults and a personal attack. Scroll back to your posts and see what you said, and who is using others as punching bags. Watch your language now and in the future and don't ever address yourself to me again. And learn you can't say lies and insults with no consequences to you. Don't insist, I am very upset for the treatment I got for clicking on your thread to help.

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posted December 24, 2015 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
VirgoPill, you saying nobody is answering here to you is a disrespectful lie that got on my nerves, and for it I send a light remark, an irony to you, while at the same time trying to help. You turned this irony into a string of personal insults and a personal attack. Scroll back to your posts and see what you said, and who is using others as punching bags. Watch your language now and in the future and don't ever address yourself to me again. And learn you can't say lies and insults with no consequences to you. Don't insist, I am very upset for the treatment I got for clicking on your thread to help.

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1. i did nothing wrong.

posted December 24, 2015 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Stop the drama (and the personal attacks) and get back to astrology.

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posted December 24, 2015 07:02 AM              

VirgoPill,

you wrote

"i posted every kind of charts already but nobody answers usually my questions. probably i ask the wrong ones all the time but i wouldn't ask if i could find any answers."

You wrote that AFTER several replies to your question, including a very extensive one by Yungang_grotto.

Maybe this musing of yours was really just that a general musing about getting little replies in general (though you DID receive some on this thread here), but it could also be read as very dismissive towards the posters who DID reply, as if you were saying that their input did not qualify or did not mean anything.

Now, personally I donīt think you meant it like this, but I see how it could be read and interpreted like that.
And if so, it would have felt very offensive and insulting. Which is what I think Leeloo thought, and therefore she stepped in, in order to defend those she thought were being ignored or treated without proper respect.

And from there the whole thing escalated completely and became personal drama and attacks, and Virgo Pill, I also meant you should stop the drama.
Calling her condescending and accusing her of hypocrisy and telling her she`s got issues and the more, IS offensive, insulting and a personal attack.

I want ANY kind of personal attack to stop here right now. No matter from which side.

I still think it started as a misunderstanding, at least I hope it did. But of course I cannot read your minds.

posted December 24, 2015 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My perception on this is that it - maybe- started as a misunderstanding and escalated from there.

VirgoPill,

you wrote

"i posted every kind of charts already but nobody answers usually my questions. probably i ask the wrong ones all the time but i wouldn't ask if i could find any answers."

You wrote that AFTER several replies to your question, including a very extensive one by Yungang_grotto.

Maybe this musing of yours was really just that a general musing about getting little replies in general (though you DID receive some on this thread here), but it could also be read as very dismissive towards the posters who DID reply, as if you were saying that their input did not qualify or did not mean anything.

Now, personally I donīt think you meant it like this, but I see how it could be read and interpreted like that.
And if so, it would have felt very offensive and insulting. Which is what I think Leeloo thought, and therefore she stepped in, in order to defend those she thought were being ignored or treated without proper respect.

And from there the whole thing escalated completely and became personal drama and attacks, and Virgo Pill, I also meant you should stop the drama.
Calling her condescending and accusing her of hypocrisy and telling her she`s got issues and the more, IS offensive, insulting and a personal attack.

I want ANY kind of personal attack to stop here right now. No matter from which side.

I still think it started as a misunderstanding, at least I hope it did. But of course I cannot read your minds.

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then why is 100% acceptable leelo can offend and insult anybody on a personal level just because we're newbies? we're humans too you know, although not astrologers. when clearly she bashed spongebob and then me after i tried to defend her poor girl. why is it totally justifiable? if we had an astrology related debate fair enough but obv. i wouldn't interfere. she went after me deliberately and sb too on a personal level and bully us! of course i will get back at her somehow. are you guys blind or what's going on that she can abuse her power on this forum?

why is it highly offensive if i'm not 100% satisfied with an answer and i'd like a bit more extensive explanation or from another point of view? usually i got a half sentence or some kind of whatever (sorry can't find a word, im not english)? why?? i did appreaciate anybody's input but clearly i do something wrong. i do a lot of search before i start a thread so i don't repeat older ones and i think i found something interesting that might worth looking at. i wasn't ungrateful to cappi when after i red her comment i had further questions. i wasn't offensive with yg because i wanted to know how those 3 planets might play out in the 1st house when 2 ppl interact person to person. i might searched at the wrong places or with wrong words but then a link or a tip would go far and i wouldn't trouble you all with my questions. is it really that disrespectful of me? really?

posted December 24, 2015 08:42 AM              

We are on a public forum, too. so people will give their input as they think of it, no matter how short or long.
If you are not satisfied with the answer you could have phrased it like that, that you want a deeper one instead of labelling all previous input as "nothing" (even though I did notice you thanked the others for their input, so the following post about "nobody" answering you, was a bit of a contradiction).

Maybe all of this conflict has a prequel that i am not aware of.

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Anyway, I just meant to say that EVERYONE should refrain from personal attacks, no matter who.
And if you don`t get along, say your piece and then stay out of each other`s way.
Again, this is a general statement to everyone whom it may concern. (though possibly the people whom it does concern, will not think it does).

Anyway speaking in very personal and politically incorrect terms, I am so fed up with all that teeny drama here on LL in some threads (not just this one), that I seriously wonder why I am still wasting my time with this kindergarten-crap.

(I do, because there are some threads that are worth it, and I also do because I have to due to being a moderator, though I cannot and do not want to read EVERY single thread and do not feel obliged to respond to EVERY thread. I am spending my free time here as everyone else, and lately I am getting mostly upset and fed up with the accusations being thrown around, the drama-queens and -kings coupled with the whiney (noone-likes-poor-me) kiddies.

Yes I know VERY politically incorrect, and I am not referring to anyone in PARTICULAR, just stating my general discontent.

posted December 24, 2015 09:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
From reading this thread here, and I only relate my answer to this thread, Leeloo pointed out what she observed, that you were of the opinion "nobody" had given you input, when in fact some had.
And it was from there that one word led to the other, and the three of you riled each other up.

We are on a public forum, too. so people will give their input as they think of it, no matter how short or long.
If you are not satisfied with the answer you could have phrased it like that, that you want a deeper one instead of labelling all previous input as "nothing" (even though I did notice you thanked the others for their input, so the following post about "nobody" answering you, was a bit of a contradiction).

Maybe all of this conflict has a prequel that i am not aware of.

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hm, yes, this answer is clear as the summer sky, i get it 100%.

posted December 24, 2015 09:57 AM              

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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
then why is 100% acceptable leelo can offend and insult anybody on a personal level just because we're newbies? we're humans too you know, although not astrologers. when clearly she bashed spongebob and then me after i tried to defend her poor girl. why is it totally justifiable? if we had an astrology related debate fair enough but obv. i wouldn't interfere. she went after me deliberately and sb too on a personal level and bully us! of course i will get back at her somehow. are you guys blind or what's going on that she can abuse her power on this forum?

why is it highly offensive if i'm not 100% satisfied with an answer and i'd like a bit more extensive explanation or from another point of view? usually i got a half sentence or some kind of whatever (sorry can't find a word, im not english)? why?? i did appreaciate anybody's input but clearly i do something wrong. i do a lot of search before i start a thread so i don't repeat older ones and i think i found something interesting that might worth looking at. i wasn't ungrateful to cappi when after i red her comment i had further questions. i wasn't offensive with yg because i wanted to know how those 3 planets might play out in the 1st house when 2 ppl interact person to person. i might searched at the wrong places or with wrong words but then a link or a tip would go far and i wouldn't trouble you all with my questions. is it really that disrespectful of me? really?

i read other topics and saw many dramas or just plain bashing and this makes me feel like i have to walk on eggshells on this forum. obv. i didn't want to get in to any fight or battle but because i thought after all it's a good place with lots of good stuff to learn but this kind hostility is very very sad to me and i will stand up against it. i won't demand apologies and stuff like that but i hope leelo will think about her side too and won't this again with somebody else.

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I have no idea why you are mixing Spongebob in this, and when or how you took her side, what side? That was a different thread when I stepped in and told her what I think the first rule about composites is, and she told me to beat it, that she only wants ONE person's opinion. And then I explained to her this is not a private chat, and everything else I said, which is in tune with this forum's spirit. This really isn't a place to come when you only want to interact with one person, for that you order a profile from that astrologer, or you communicate by email with them. Why would you defend someone for that anyway?

You and Spongebob and others posted a thread in which you are requesting astrological advice, and opinions. Which means that people who seem entitled to give an opinion, for some reason, or just want to help with what they know, come and answer, if they want to help. This is an appeal to expertise, what you do by posting a question. Yet you come afterwards, bash the very person who answers, call the other posters nobodies, call the person who takes their time and energy to answer threads "you're butting in out of nowhere with your condesceding hypocrisy" and a "power abuse', and "who the hell do you think you are to give opinions?".
How cool is that?
What are you? a walkie talkie contradiction? What's with this bizarre and out of place victim stance? You complain about no answers, yet you seriously offend the very people who do answer.

posted December 24, 2015 07:31 PM            

I did not see any of this until now so I guess those responses didn't bother me. They might make me think twice about offering help, but I hope not as that would be sad..