posted January 14, 2016 07:01 PM            

Interesting progressions, but not exactly a walk-in-sync case with the guy here.

Your pVenus is applying conjunct your natal Sun by minutes now. You should be pretty attractive (socially) at the moment and (that's why) often during these personal prog aspects new relationships "start" while old not-working ones "break up". This is even enhanced because you're (still) going through a 4th harmonic progressed Moon phase, the energy to break with things that don't work is clearly there.

Although your Venus is also applying conjunct his natal Moon, I'm afraid it isn't enough. Well, it might be just enough to indeed stay without being completely happy. This aspect will fade sooner than later.

The aspects that point to a break-up and the current "unhappiness" are these;
Your pVenus square his pVenus, clearly applying by 1,5 deg now (Venus doesn't like a square to her mirror). It will be a long aspect which growing stronger and stronger (exact in 2024). I have to see yet a pVenus/pVenus applying square work.

Your pSuns are conjunct and both applying in a square to your natal Venus. Separating factor again. Haven't seen this yet either, one person (you) going through a prog Sun/Venus conjunction AND Sun/Venus square at-the-same time.

posted January 15, 2016 09:49 AM            

Don't stay with someone just because you want to be with someone. You'll be much happier if you focus on yourself and make room in your life for when someone truly amazing comes along.

posted January 15, 2016 04:02 PM            

I think you remain with him because the composite actually has the vibrations of a committed relationship or marriage.
Venus is conjunct the sun and sextile to juptier and juno and trine to Saturn. the juno/Jupiter midpoint being conjunct to the sun and venus. I have to believe that he has more than once mentioned he would marry you in a new York second if he wasn't already married. this pattern .
the composite pluto square to the sun/venus conjunction is sympamatic of a intensely sexual relationship that degenerates into a celibate relationship as you have describe. what happens is the sexual intensity is never translated into emotional intimacy as one would like, and after time the rote carnal desire simply dissipates when love does not bloom. actually the description of your relationship is similar to that of marriages I have seen before.
you have already alludes to your Scorpio heavy chart and venus. as to why you stay in this relationship knowing the odds are greatly against, seems to be shown by nessus square to the composite node.this is an aspect of sexual abuse. this implies in childhood you had a very abusve environment. as a consequence, you are subconsciously drawn to abusive relationships( you mentioned none of your relationships have been adequate). this is the reason.
it is clear that sexual abuse is at the center of your blind spot because the midpoint of the composite sun and moon is opposed to nessus and square to the node.
you need to realize that he is just controlling you for his sexual needs as you were in childhood. you need to terminate this immediately if you want to get on with your life.
I would suggest seeing a abuse/survivor counselor if you have the financial means. they could point out the aspects of your personality that make you prey to unhealthy relationships.

posted January 15, 2016 06:48 PM            

I have another piece to the puzzle. I believe this is the key to unlocking it all. Sun conjunct Moon. Lemme me know if it works with your charts.

1. The Sun & Moon are Soul Mates, separated by fate. So, they're always on the lookout for one another. The Ascendant is a surrogate Sun.

2. The conjunction aspect is the only aspect strong enough to bring two people together. This because it is the only aspect where two planets are physically near each other.

3. It's no guarantee, but minus Sun/Asc conjunct Moon a relationship is unlikely to go anywhere. Specifically; pMoon conjunct nSun or nAsc is the official point of attraction.

Mir, what are your thoughts?

The Royals.

Charles & Diana. At time of marriage his pMoon Cancer, her pMoon Scorpio.

William & Catherine. At start of dating her pMoon Aries (William is Cancer w/ Sagittarius Asc), his pMoon was also Aries (Kate is Capricorn w/ Asc unknown). This is why she must be an Aries Asc.

At time of marriage both had pMoon in Cancer - her pMoon was conjunct his nSun. Among other things.

posted January 16, 2016 07:56 PM            

I'm indeed already amazed by the amount of syna prog Sun/Moon conjunctions I encounter during the 'start-of..' but I wouldn't make a pMoon conjunct nSun more specific than a pMoon conjunct pSun.

I don't know if you already saw this thread of mine about 'conversed progressions' but it might give you some points of interest. Also 2 examples (under which my own) of a syna pMoon/pSun conjunction in there (not the conversed).

And then we come to the point of the commonly used progressed ASC/angles which gives me grave doubts about its validity since those are so much faster in reality. It is also clearly mentioned in that thread, including software for the "true" progressed angles.

I don't wanna make it more complex than it already is but I think those are worth keeping an eye on.

posted January 16, 2016 08:40 PM            

My first specific eye, I had this as-a-test case already in mind when reading your words.

It's about Neptunian-Venus here on IA board, finally getting her dream-guy; http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/004523.html

Look at that (you swear you didn't see that already Nine? ;D);

Her progressed Moon: 26'10 Aries
His natal ASC: 24'36 Aries

posted January 16, 2016 09:31 PM            

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I'm indeed already amazed by the amount of syna prog Sun/Moon conjunctions I encounter during the 'start-of..' but I wouldn't make a pMoon conjunct nSun more specific than a pMoon conjunct pSun.

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Interesting. I'll look into that one - pMoon conj pSun.

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I don't know if you already saw this thread of mine about 'conversed progressions' but it might give you some points of interest. Also 2 examples (under which my own) of a syna pMoon/pSun conjunction in there (not the conversed).

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I've been meaning to look into converse progressions. Thx for the link.

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Look at that (you swear you didn't see that already Nine? ;D);

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Honest. I've been working on this for years. I always knew pMoon to nSun was a strong attractor, wasn't sure about nAsc. I've always attracted pMoon in Virgo, with Asc/Saturn/5HR/NN all in Virgo it was tricky separating what that moon was drawn to. Until I look at my mom's relationships. I swear, everytime I review my mom's relationships I make an astrological discovery.

posted January 16, 2016 09:56 PM            

When I asked for a birth time she said Grandma gave her a time that corresponds with Sagittarius Asc. Later she said a relative gave her a time that corresponds with Aries/Taurus Asc. Personally I refused to accept the Aries, as I tend to go with the first answer.

Then I noticed her only sister is Capricorn. A childhood BFF was Capricorn. Her closest adult bestie is Capricorn. Her longest and most serious adult romance was with a lunar Cappy. Suddenly this sign jumped out at me. So I looked at her progressions.

When her pMoon hit Capricorn she entered her first serious relationship...which she later escaped from. When she met my dad his pMoon was in Capricorn. Her most serious boyfriend was going through his lunar return in Capricorn when they became a couple.

eta:

We had a falling out and reconciled once my pMoon entered Capricorn.

posted January 17, 2016 07:59 PM            

It took exactly 9 months before my dad passed away after he got diagnosed with cancer. My mom kept a diary from that moment on which she later threw away. She even wanted to write a book about it as she could see so many similarities with the 9 months prior to birth. She never did.

Looking at the progressions exactly 9 months before his death (never looked at it before);

His natal Sun 5'03 Cap.
Her progressed Venus 5'03 Libra.

^ Quite bizar finding this when taking exactly 9 months prior, so at the time he got diagnosed. Feels as the actual physical manifestation of a S/V square.
The first Sun/Venus square in their life.
Through their marriage they had great long progressions like pSun/pVenus trine, pVenus/pMars trine, and when they met a pVenus/nMars trine + prog composite Venus/Mars conj which applying by minutes.

But all that was left now, was this S/V square.

Emotional distance (which for my mom difficult to cope with) arose during this process to death. He wanted to do it all by himself (emotionally). And he did.

Also at that time (9 months prior) my mom's progressed Moon exactly conjunct his ASC and her own Asc.

posted January 18, 2016 01:18 PM              

very interesting and insightful discussion.

posted January 18, 2016 02:06 PM              

What is interesting to me is that at day we first met

I had pSun on 29°59 Capricorn (it was entering Aquarius the same week, 3 days later).

Additionally I had pMoon on 00°32 Taurus, hence just after the start of a waxing first quarter Moon, though it took place on the last degree of Aries rather than the first degree of Taurus.

In fact the precise first quarter Moon for me happened on 29°55 Capricorn-Aries 17 days before the first meeting took place, and curiously enough for me coinciding with the true progressed ASC at 21 Cancer, conjunct my n Vertex exact and on my Sun/Moon-mp-axis.

I find it interesting that this happened with my pSun entering Aquarius, the sign of my natal Moon.
Of course far far away from my natal Moon (even still far far away), but still - also of course triggering my natal Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio.
And at the night of the first meeting my true progressed ASC was at 4°59 Leo, a very significant degree/ axis, as i just realized TODAY. lol

For him it wasn`t that way, no such acute aspects, however the night when we met his pSun and pMoon were in the same signs with his pSun conjunct his nVenus.

pMoon 12°50 Capricorn
pSun 25°55 Capricorn
nVenus 25°55 Capricorn

The progressed-natal-Sun-Venus-conjunction was that precise for 5 days for him, and we met on the 3rd day of that timeframe, EXACTLY in the middle of it. lol

his true progressed angles were at 29 Virgo and 29 Gemini (just having passed his natal DESC at 25 Virgo and still in orb with his natal Vertex at 28 Virgo, and his nMoon-MC on 28 SAg on the true progressed IC, just having passed his natal Sun/Moon-mp at 27°48 Sagittarius)

It also struck me cause the 00 cardinal are Ariespoints and represent the "meeting of the individual with the public", which it seems to have been.

His own progressed New Moon happened a year later, EXACTLY one year after my progressed first quarter Moon happened. I mean, TO THE FREAKING DAY! lol

For him it was on 26°55 Capricorn (just one degree after his natal Venus).
It coincided with his true progressed ASC on 25 Virgo, exact conjunct his natal DESC - and square my natal Sun exact, which conjuncts his Sun-Moon-MC with 2-3 degrees

well and true pr IC on 24 Sag conjunct my n Sun-Mercury - just I was nowwhere to be seen. I had taken my "hiatus".
Yeah lets talk about crap-timing on my behalf!!!

Anyway fast forward 2 years - there was this incident during a concert, I had attended just coincidentally (I wasn`t really having a crush on him at that time, to be honest I never even knew WHY I was going to that concert. lol)

Anyway at that time it was maybe the first time after our first meeting that I felt like I was so much on display, he would look over to me all the time as it seemed, when I just wanted to be invisible and disappear (I was in a self-hating-period-of-my-life).
But he apparently did not get the hint, and it escalated during the show (yes he was the one doing the show, it was HIS concert after all) with him jumping off stage (as he after that started doing quite often) and marching down the aisle directly towards me and trying to involve me in a chat and teasing me a little, but I was really not in the mood. lol And I was completely not able to respond in an equal way to him.
He eventually stopped tormenting me, and instead just decided it would be appropriate, to stand beside/behind my chair in the aisle and sing almost a whole song from there, while having his hand resting on the back of my chair. I was not quite able to handle that appropriately. LOL

Anyway it was clear that evening that he was paying a lot of attention. At that time his pSun was at 29°19 Capricorn.

There was another concert on New Year`s eve (when hsi own pMoon was conjunct his pVenus within minutes of exactness and both squared by my nMars exact of course. the largest orb being 13 minutes. lol)

Anyway something was very off at that time, and I gave in to my selfdestructive paranoid thinking (today I think it gave me an excuse to run away).
However while I had been telling myself into believing he had not recognized me at all and even if so, why should he have cared?
I do recall, that when the lights were on and everyone was leaving, I was looking over to stage where he was squatting putting away some stuff, and he was just pausing, looking up at me for several moments, and then I turned around and left (when I am paranoid, I can be REALLY paranoid and I fear rude. Today it seems really I was being rude, but I was out of insecurity and because i had no clue what to make of this man. lol)

I disappeared - and wanted to stay gone forever I think.
Anyway, around that time he broke up with his then-girlfriend (the cracks were probably very visible even some months ago, if I had believed what I intuited) and 5 months after that strange New Years Eve he published a song he obviously had written in the meantime (he sang it for the first time pretty much exactly 4 years after our first meeting. Minus 2 days. lol)

Anyway the song started with "Why didn`t you talk to me?" and I remember when I first heard it, it felt like an electric shock, because it instantly brought back the memory of that disastrous night when I made the decision to simply turn aruond and walk away.
No of course I have no clue, probably he meets dozens of women who are acting as weirdly as described int he song and pretty much the same as I did.

But what I find interesting is that the day he first sang it in public, his pSun had progressed to 00 Aquarius (my Moon-sign) and into conjunction with our composite ASC.

that day his pMoon was on 11°12 Pisces, conjunct my nJupiter on 11°12 Pisces (Jupiter being my chartruler), which I found interesting.

his true pr IC conjunct my Venus his true pr ASC conjunct my MC (and his karma. lol)

Of course we never got together, but I thought it was interesting.

On the day (again a year or so later, or one and a half) I decided that weird vague "what is this?" had to change, and exchanged some insignificant words with him, hhis pMoon was on 3 Aries just having passed the sextile to his pSun on 1 Aquarius (which was squared by my Uranus by only 10 minutes). oh and applying to conjunct my nIC within1-2 degrees.

his true pIC that night was conjunct my natal Venus exact

I was not in aany Sun-Moon-phase, however my pMoon was applying to a conjunction with my nSaturn by one degree with Tr Saturn square my nMoon - different to what someone could believe, it might have been the best and most mature decision I ever made to talk to him, even if just shortly and fleetingly, even though it came about 2 years too late. lol
But even though I wasn`t really aware of it at that time, it changed the pattern. slow change.
Though it did not make it any less complicated or weird. lol

my true pMC on 21 Libra was conjunct his natal Pluto exact.

Of course he had gotten into another relationship by then, and that relationship had started when his pMoon was conjunct his nASC exact. So I guess that fits the pattern, too.

Guess, he`s the one who got away, though it doesn`t feel like any of us really did get away. Still feels like my very own soapopera.