posted January 19, 2016 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Both, sextiles ideally. But to me Venus/Saturn has so far been more important. A woman wants to always feel loved, we are sensitive creatures. So a harsh Venus/Saturn creates Big problems in relationships, it's one of the aspects to avoid If possible.

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Very true. Venus is how we display our love and our moon is how we display our emotions. However, isnt Love an emotion?
I get the sense that a moon conjunct saturn is not that much different from venus conjunct saturn.

Women also need emotional attention.

posted January 19, 2016 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Very true. Venus is how we display our love and our moon is how we display our emotions. However, isnt Love an emotion?
I get the sense that a moon conjunct saturn is not that much different from venus conjunct saturn.

Women also need emotional attention.

By the way, i love your name!

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The moon is our emotional needs. Venus is the give-and-take of relating.

posted January 19, 2016 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Which one is more important or needed, and why?

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posted January 19, 2016 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
For some reason I felt like I needed to be there and understood him probably like no other woman has. It is the kind of feeling like you know your always going to be there for each other.

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posted December 14, 2022 09:15 AM            

It's come up for me several times in significant relationships that led to mutual heartbreak. Both times, I felt incredibly sad and empty as the Moon person. We had the square aspect. The most recent time, their Saturn fell in my 7th and was also quincunx my Venus. The first time, we did not have any Venus-Saturn activity.

I think Moon-Saturn aspects are very, very challenging for the average person. I say this as someone who tends to be very logical and compartmentalize my feelings. I'm an Earth moon. also have Moon-Uranus. It's not second nature for me to get gushy and deeply depressed about a break-up unless someone really gets to the core of who I am.

I think of Saturn as the steel axe that chips away the Moon's layers. Saturn is harsh and restrictive and can be more judgmental toward the Moon's feelings. But not always. I had plenty of moments where I felt super happy and supported with both partners.

It's about the Moon person being vulnerable and ending up hurt by the issues surrounding Saturn in the Saturn person's natal chart. Their Saturn "beef" emotionally harms the Moon. For example, the first time it was Saturn in Sagittarius squaring my Moon, and their issues around not being worldly enough, like never finishing college and not being able to be mobile enough to see me, ended up destroying me emotionally and our relationship. The second time, it was Saturn in Gemini leading us to have serious communication issues that broke things down (on top of Mercury square Neptune in our composite, exact). I tried to open up and connect but there was always a sense of their communication never being truly genuine. They couldn't be themselves and express themselves naturally around me or anyone, so I don't take it personally but f/ck it still hurt. I pushed myself to be way more communicative on their behalf, just like I also tried to show up and nurture the other person's Saturn wounds around travel and education.

posted December 14, 2022 10:15 AM            

Saturn can provide structure for the Moon and the Moon will find something to appreciate. But still will become slowly deformed by harsh aspects, ultimately.

It's common to hear that Saturn will play parent to Moon, a harsh parent for the challenging aspects. But, the problem is that, the Moon doesn't want or need parenting, Moon just wants to share. They speak different languages and have different aims.

In a romantic relationship I don't like my partner to be overly parental, it gets weird for me. Even though I probably do need parenting

I like an equal relationship between peers. So I prefer Venus to Saturn.

Venus with harsh aspects from Saturn though, will become cold, and withdraw capacity to show love...... With fine aspects the love expression is predictable and reliable. Which I like.

With good aspects, Saturn always provides grounding of the planet - the planet energy can materialise and exist in 3D world. Saturn provides structure, and a container sometimes, for the planet.

The harsh aspects become brittle.. Too much reality.

posted December 14, 2022 09:34 PM            

Personally, I love having my moon *conjunct, trine or sextile a man's Saturn. I hate the opposition and square. Just Aweful. But, I am not a fan on ANY aspect from the moon to Saturn in the *composite.

In Synastry, I don't like me being the Saturn and the guy being the moon. Like I mentioned, I like it vice versa. Currently I have my moon conjunct the saturn of a guy I like, and I feel addicted to him (the conjunction is happening in the sign of Pisces).

I don't like being Saturn or venus in an interaction between the two in synastry. In the composite chart, the trine and sextile would be tolerable.

posted December 15, 2022 07:28 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
OP: If by powerful you mean, which one is the most likely to make or break a relationship. Definitely Saturn/Venus.

Personally, I love having my moon *conjunct, trine or sextile a man's Saturn. I hate the opposition and square. Just Aweful. But, I am not a fan on ANY aspect from the moon to Saturn in the *composite.

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I have Moon/Saturn/Pluto conjunct natally and it feels like a curse.

An intense desire to connect on the most unspeakable levels, but told by the women with whom I've had committed relationships that I come across as emotionally unavailable.

I'm currently having difficulty reconciling a composite chart: Saturn in 7th house opposite Moon in the 1st house, with Venus in the 4th making the T-square.

Saturn in the 7th is a confounding placement. On one hand it represents marriage (7th) contracts (Saturn) and may be viewed as a great stabilizing force. Saturn is exalted in Libra, and Libra is the natural ruler of the 7th house. But on the other hand, Saturn in the 7th seems an insurmountable barrier for any kind of tolerable partnership, let alone an enjoyable one.

Moon in 1st would have emotional needs at the forefront and always at the surface demanding immediate attention.

posted December 16, 2022 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Scorpionic_Web:
I have Moon/Saturn/Pluto conjunct natally and it feels like a curse.

An intense desire to connect on the most unspeakable levels, but told by the women with whom I've had committed relationships that I come across as emotionally unavailable.

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That is a great observation you have made about yourself. Not agreeing with the curse part because all the hard aspects in a natal are there to help us grow mentally and spiritually.

posted December 16, 2022 08:01 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
That is a great observation you have made about yourself. Not agreeing with the curse part because all the hard aspects in a natal are there to help us grow mentally and spiritually.

Which sign is each of the three planets you mentioned in the conjunction?

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Hi, thanks for taking an interest.

My Moon/Saturn/Pluto conjunction is in Libra.

I also have Sun/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter conjunct in Scorpio.

Sagittarius Uranus & Neptune. Capricorn Mars.

posted December 17, 2022 12:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Scorpionic_Web:
Hi, thanks for taking an interest.

My Moon/Saturn/Pluto conjunction is in Libra.

I also have Sun/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter conjunct in Scorpio.

Sagittarius Uranus & Neptune. Capricorn Mars.

My chart is very concentrated. Sun, Moon, and all planets fall within a 78-degree span; from my Moon at 21 Libra to my Mars at 9 Capricorn.

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posted December 18, 2022 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
Hi, no problem. And thank you for responding.

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posted December 18, 2022 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Scorpionic_Web:
I have Moon/Saturn/Pluto conjunct natally and it feels like a curse.

An intense desire to connect on the most unspeakable levels, but told by the women with whom I've had committed relationships that I come across as emotionally unavailable.

I'm currently having difficulty reconciling a composite chart: Saturn in 7th house opposite Moon in the 1st house, with Venus in the 4th making the T-square.

Saturn in the 7th is a confounding placement. On one hand it represents marriage (7th) contracts (Saturn) and may be viewed as a great stabilizing force. Saturn is exalted in Libra, and Libra is the natural ruler of the 7th house. But on the other hand, Saturn in the 7th seems an insurmountable barrier for any kind of tolerable partnership, let alone an enjoyable one.

Moon in 1st would have emotional needs at the forefront and always at the surface demanding immediate attention.

Split these Moon & Saturn placements with Venus as the pivot point of the T-square and I'm having serious difficulty understanding what's really going on here.

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To all: it's been said time and time again that houses are irrelevant in the composite.

Can't remember by who, or why, so don't fight me

Scorpionic_Web, you're like a back-to-front upside-down version of me.

You're Cap Mars is obviously low-key and some people won't understand that.

posted December 19, 2022 04:56 PM            

Now, Venus - Saturn.
Venus rules Taurus and Libra.
Venus works well in Capricorn, Aquarius, Gemini.
Has the fall in Virgo, debilitated in Scorpio (mars).
And Saturn rules Capricorn, it works well in venus's signs - Taurus, Libra. Exalted in Libra.

So, Moon-Saturn is a bad pair in conjunction or opposition, but with Venus it's a good sign, only in conjunction, if the gender of the planet corresponds to the gender of the people involved in the relationship. Saturn being the man and Venus being the woman.

posted December 19, 2022 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
To all: it's been said time and time again that houses are irrelevant in the composite.

Can't remember by who, or why, so don't fight me

Scorpionic_Web, you're like a back-to-front upside-down version of me.

You're Cap Mars is obviously low-key and some people won't understand that.

Throw your charts into the pool for dissection, why don't you. Start a thread outlining your query.

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Hmm... I thought the houses and aspects of a composite are emphasized, and it is the signs that are not of significance.

You say that it has been said "time and time again" that houses in composite don't matter? Do you have much experience with studying composites?

I do not, so I must defer to individuals here who are more learned in composite synthesis.

I studied astrology vigorously in my 20's and early 30's and have done considerably less in recent years as I haven't dated much, have become increasingly solitary, and no longer spend time in social scenes where astrology is welcomed and discussed.

The entirety of what I used to study were natals and synastry. I didn't gain much insight from initial studies of midpoints in natal charts and quickly decided to avoid the concept, since a standard natal chart and synastry provide plenty of material to gain an effective understanding of individuals and relationships.

As such, I never gave a second thought to midpoints as they relate to the blending of two people and hadn't looked into composites until fairly recently. However, in my preliminary observations I have found the results of composite charts to be very compelling, but admittedly I am lacking significantly in experiential knowledge in this branch of astrology.

As for the woman I mentioned earlier in this thread, I need to move on from her. We're co-workers and I think Saturn in the 7th (if you adhere to houses in composites) may make for an encouraging professional relationship, but despite the excitement, energy, and hope I felt, I'm now convinced that she has no interest in me.

I used to post to this website frequently before the user database had a meltdown (around 2010 maybe?) and everyone had to re-register. Back then I was interested in seeking more personal advice, as well as dishing out my own opinions and loads of conjecture.

If private messaging was possible here, I'd send my info to you. I'm curious as to what you mean by me being a "back-to-front upside-down" version of you.

posted December 19, 2022 09:31 PM            

Not sure if you're in a relationship with her or not but if not (co-workers), the synastry applies only, strictly speaking. If that helps.

It's possible that I have made a mistake with the houses (maybe it is the signs?).. I hope I can resist the urge to go digging around to locate the framework and line of reasoning.. it's a bit hard to do.

Perhaps though, if I do remember, it relates to that planets exert electromagnetic energy (harmonics). So, the positions in between, where we meet, is a variation on that. But, points in space do not carry electromagnetic energy. And why the houses are not relevant.

Sorry if I am stating the obvious.

One of the saddest lines I've read for while: "but despite the excitement, energy, and hope I felt, I'm now convinced that she has no interest in me."

Again relatable. Foiled again? What's your Neptune like?

Yes, I come here when I need a break from RL.. It's kind of a dream-space. Astrology isn't a thing in RL, and RL can be so very dry, so I come here.

Private messaging... not sure of a way around that.

Hey, mee_chryssa, I love your breakdown, and I think I agree with this.

posted December 20, 2022 06:11 AM            

It’s not bad for me at all. On the contrary, I feel quite blessed to have loved ones who comprehend and share core values, like servant-leadership. ❤️ Saturn garners R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

posted December 20, 2022 07:47 AM            

Saturn still goes against the nature of the Moon. Unlike with Venus.

posted December 20, 2022 07:49 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Saturn still goes against the nature of the Moon. Unlike with Venus.

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