posted January 28, 2016 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And me personally I also nearly always check the midpoints, at least the direct midpoints, and should they be on the basis of an actual aspect SOOOO interesting.

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Can't find better words when I read what Ceri says

posted January 28, 2016 01:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
@LeeLoo .

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posted January 28, 2016 05:00 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think. I think the mdps activation is a big part of that "first impression" feeling we get, sometimes hard to pin down at first, in all its complexity.

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Yes, it completely stuns me to be honest!
And well Faith can attest to me having obsessed for weeks in mails to her about event charts and midpoints. Poor girl. Just loading all these midpoints on her

posted January 28, 2016 05:16 AM            

Pluto conjunct Jupiter/ASC 0°01
Mars conjunct Jupiter/Node 0°06
MC conjunct Mars/ASC 0°06
ASC opposite Merucry/Venus 0°09
Node conjunct Jupiter/Uranus 0°17
Moon opposite Venus/Mars 0°18
Venus opposite Saturn/Node 0°27
Mercury opposite Moon/ASC 0°29
Pluto conjunct Uranus/MC 0°29

BTW it is a complete coincidence that these are all direct midpoints, I was checking for squares,t oo. lol

Some of these coincide with actual aspects

Pluto = Jupiter/ASC
- Jupiter on the antiscion of ASC, Jupiter semisquare ASC

Mars = Jupiter/Node
Jupiter semisextile Node

MC= mars/ASC
Mars trine ASC

ASC = Mercury/Venus
nothing

Node - Jupiter/Uranus
Jupiter sextile Uranus (0°04)

Moon = Venus/Mars
Venus quintile Mars

Venus = Saturn/Node
nothing

Mercury=Moon/ASC
nothing

Pluto = Uranus/MC
Uranus on the antiscion of MC by only 0°03 - hence the midpoint falling onto the Aries Point, where Pluto resides.

posted January 28, 2016 05:26 AM            

Pluto conjunct Jupiter/ASC 0°01 (conj. his Moon-MC, my Vesta)
The desire to exercise a good influence upon many people; strong image; influential; leadership.

Mars conjunct Jupiter/Node 0°06 (conj. composite Karma)
Successful teamwork. A happy physical union, engagement,
procreation.

MC conjunct Mars/ASC 0°06 (conj. my Pluto-MC)
A comrade in arms or a fighter, a vigorous colleague or co-worker, the
pursuit of one's interests, a joint task achieved together with others

ASC opposite Merucry/Venus 0°09 (conj. my ASC-Neptune-NN, conj. his Mercury, opp. composite Jupiter)
Pleasantness, being well-mannered, a talent for making social contacts
or the gift to entertain people well, a sense of tact and discretion,
adaptability, the ability to create a beautiful environment,
appreciated by others. To meet with friends and new people

Node conjunct Jupiter/Uranus 0°17 (conj. my Moon widely, conj composite Avx, opp. composite Saturn exact)
The projection of a cheerful and hopeful presence, the ability to
share joy together with others for a common purpose and to be happy in the
company of others. A fortunate new acquaintance.

Moon opposite Venus/Mars 0°18 (conj. his Moon-MC, my Vesta)
Strong emotional impulses, an early desire for marriage. Fulfilment
through the arts. Motherhood.

Venus opposite Saturn/Node 0°27 (opp. my Valentine, opp. composite Valentine widely)
Difficulty expressing emotions to others; inhibitions in love-life; a
lack of adaptability. Difficulties in love or marriage; separation.

Mercury opposite Moon/ASC 0°29 (opp. his Neptune, opp. composite-Mercury-(Neptune)).
Adaptability, sociableness and the ability for entertainment; the
cultivation of thought-exchange, letter-writing; creating confidence

Pluto conjunct Uranus/MC 0°29 (conj. his Moon-MC, my Vesta)
The restless and energetic pursuit of one's objectives, fanatic
ambition. Over-exertion threatens the nervous system.To be pushed back and forth by one's impulses. Sudden development and changes. To adapt or adjust oneself to something by leaps and bounds.

posted January 28, 2016 05:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think the only way to really confirm is when he tells you himself but why not? it should have been activated

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Thanks!

posted January 29, 2016 10:24 AM            

I was also considering the transits (FM) hitting:

natal mdps

composite planets and mdps

The natal mdps touched will color our first impression, what the meeting triggers in us, how we are tempted to view the other person on first contact and it is also a predictive tool saying what the meeting will lead to, in our life, with the mdp layer. I would pay a special attention to personalized points of the meeting such as angles, Vertex, Moon.

FM hitting the composite chart will show how the people feel together at the meeting (common combined energy) and if the composite is triggered or not (if the meeting leads to their getting together to manifest whatever is in there). The additional composite mdp layer and how it is hit by the transits would add to this, also increase a sense of merging and "it is happening!" (the composite), but it also depends on the mdp situation in their own composite (if the transit touch the important mdps in their composite, for not all composite mdp are equally important for everyone, IMO). For example one comp will have the ASC conj Venus/Uranus mdp. This mdp is more important for this couple than others, and it will have the meaning applied to their charts.

I will come back with an example analysis.

About your question, Ceri. I actually consider all planets to mdps (sitting on the cross) more or less conjunct, as meaning. By this I mean that when I do a mdp analysis, I add all the 4th harmonic. I consider the conjunction being the strongest felt energy, the closest, then the planet on the distal mdp, next level of importance/strength, and the sq comes third; but they are all felt and their energy is combined.

There is a difference in flavor which I think I attempted to describe here

"If you have natal midpoints on your Sun, they color your personality and your self-expression, what makes you shine, how you shine (also look at what the Sun rules for you)

If you have natal midpoints on your Moon, they color your emotional expression, they show your needs. (in order to be more specific, look at rulership too).

You can build these profiles for yourself, the profile of your Moon and your Sun (for now) with the midpoints there.

Look for the cross: start with the sign of your Sun: the opposite midpoint cluster will probably have an opposition-like feeling in relation to your Sun or Moon: something you project in relationships, something you look for in the other, something heightened, something you're much aware of about yourself, especially in human interactions.
The actual conjunction is very private, definitory, "automatic" as Ceri says, the first trigger for you (especially with the Moon). Perhaps also the first impression you make on others.
The midpoints your Sun or Moon activate by the two squares are a bit like having the Sun or Moon squaring that pair: a tension with that aspect, coloring the way you ACT in relation to that pair and the houses of the pair, either emotionally or at affirmation level: a midpoint forcing you to act decisively and practically in relation to the tandem Sun - pair or Moon- pair, a catalyst for change and events, either produces by you or events you face.

After you build this profile, we can see what this profile of yours triggers in another person (in combination with their own profile) when your Sun or Moon is on their midpoints."

posted January 29, 2016 10:42 AM            

let's say you have Mars/Venus mdp in Aries 2nd
you have Sun in Aries 2nd conj it
Saturn in Libra 9th opp it
Juno in Cancer in 5th sq it

Your Mars/Venus mdp profile (the "Point of Passion" as Townley says) is Sun Saturn Juno and its description is a combination of these planets in their respective sign/house, added to your Mars Venus combination by sign/house.

posted January 29, 2016 12:27 PM            

everytime you make thoughtworthy awesome posts like this, I feel like I am falling in love.

Food for my brain - what more could I want?

"I was also considering the transits (FM) hitting:

natal mdps

composite planets and mdps"

Yes, in fact I have just starting a very own personal project, for an event, hitting midpoints (and planets of course) in natal, composite (first meeting chart and also marriage chart - it is an experiment only)

"ntion to personalized points of the meeting such as angles, Vertex, Moon."
Yes, Sun, Moon, ASC, MC, Vertex and I also use ASC/MC-midpoint itself (that comes from the Uranian school of astrology, which does a lot of midpoint work, and they define this midpoint as "at this minute at this place" (MC= minute, ASC=place - while I think we could discuss about that, it is the most time-specific thing there is combining both angles.).
Moon covers "the hour", sun covers "the day". (I think Moon moves approximately one degree every two hour, so we can really finetune "the moment").

The slower moving planets I view as very important too (Jupiter, Satur, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and even nodal axis), but more or less as background development, you can have an eye on what is going to "hit" them over a longer time period, more or less a slow, but lasting process taking place.
Usually I find (at least in my event charts) that a slow moving planet (for some reason for me Pluto usually comes up. ) is combined with a quick and more timespecific one, like in my FMC the conjunction of Moon and Pluto right on the AP (which is an important position itself).
Whenever something covers 00 cardinal, pay attention!
It`s the world`s cardinal angle!

"FM hitting the composite chart will show how the people feel together at the meeting (common combined energy)"
Yes, and I find it fascinating to see that my own natal chart has Saturn/Neptune-mp on 28°27 Virgo, and Saturn/Node-mp on 28°34 Virgo, two midpoints that are said to be among the gloomiest ones (though I do like to think of Saturn/Neptune also as "dissolving of limitations" or like Don Mc Broom mentions it in his book in the Appendix "making the intangible tangible" http://www.nordlicht.ru/stars/english/Don%20Mcbroom%20-%20Midpoints.pdf )

But anyway while there IS a positive manifestation, it also seems true that Saturn-neptune(esp. in square or opposition aspect and coupled with Moon or Mercury) often indicates a rather depressed emotional or mental setup. (of course nothing in isolation!)

I hope of course that for me it is a little more positive (after all Ebertin calls it the "sickness midpoint" lol), because natally my Saturn is biquintile my Neptune-NN. Creative solutions.

But anyway letīs say this one IS gloomy, sad, depressed and weak.

But at the same time the composite shows Venus/Jupiter on 28°21 Pisces. Just 6 minutes off opposing my Saturn/Neptune-mp (while I do not count midpoint to midpoint, whenever something falls close to there there is activation happening)

Mr Sag`s Moon/IC-mp is on 28°28 Virgo-Pisces, too; well on Pisces, but that is a little hairsplitting, his Moon and IC are almost exactly opposite (0°22).
(of course it means his Moon/MC-mp is square this, that always happens, if you see a square to a midpoint involving one angle, the corresponding midpoint and angle will be conjunct or opposite.
Like if you have Sun square Moon/ASC, you will also find Sun conjunct Moon/DESC. We usally just use the angles MC and ASC in midpoints, as the corresponding one will of course also make some midpoint-picture.

However if we try to make a distinction between the actual aspects, making the midpoint, that might modify the emphasis a little.

For example in my natal chart
Venus square Pluto/MC
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Venus conjunct Pluto/IC

Jupiter square Moon/MC
=
Jupiter conjunct Moon/IC

" but it also depends on the mdp situation in their own composite"
Couldnīt agree more.

"his mdp is more important for this couple than others, and it will have the meaning applied to their charts."
This might not be so important in terms of the composite.

However Mr Sag and me have an exact midpoint alignment in that

his Sun/Jupiter 3°34 Scorpio
my Sun/Jupiter 3°34 Aquarius

I once pointed out in a mail to Faith, that curiously these 3 degrees of fixed signs seem to always be triggered on important encounters.

Well, and last week, when he sent me those "virtual kisses" lol -

Tr Sun 3°17 Aquarius
(the Tr Moon at that time was 1°01 Leo, conjunct composite DESC 1°19 Leo, just in case you wondered about the fullmoon. lol
And I guess I find it interesting that he had personally
pr Sun 3°44 Aquarius
pr MC 1°29 Aquarius
pr Moon 3°42 Taurus

and I have

n Uranus 1°21 Scorpio - I am a constant shock to our composite ASC-DESC-axis I guess.

and
pr Uranus 2°26 Scorpio)

I find it also interesting from an astrological point of view that he has this progressed quarter Moon from Aqua to Taurus, aligning with the Transiting Fullmoon from Aqua to Leo, which leaves as a blind spot/ empty spot something in Scorpio, and that is just where his natal Sun/Jupiter-mp falls. and the orb is really really close, just about 17 minutes I think, from the Tr Sun to his natal Sun/Jupiter-mp, and of course Tr Sun fell onto my natal Sun/Jupiter-mp as well.
I guess he must have felt rather positive that evening. lol

Come to think we first met when I had a first quarter Moon.

pr Sun 29°29 Capricorn (yes it passed over THAT week when we met)
pr Moon 00°32 Taurus

There is just something about those early degrees of the fixed signs I guess. lol

But the Sun/Jupiter-correlation, just has quite a bit of a "defining feel" for me.

"There is a difference in flavor which I think I attempted to describe here"
Simply brilliant!

"If you have natal midpoints on your Sun, they color your personality and your self-expression, what makes you shine, how you shine (also look at what the Sun rules for you)"
For me personally Sun is conjunct Jupiter/Pluto 0°47
With Sun ruling the 9th house, I think this probably relates very strongly to my profession as a teacher, and yes, I can be convincing, and maybe sometimes have rather strong opinions (esp. if it comes to ethics and how to treat your classmates!)

Mr Sag has Sun conjunct Saturn/ASC 0°49, which always surprised me how his ASC and MC are pulling in midpoints with Saturn.
But I guess it does make sense, Sun rules his 6th house, and he is a workaholic and probably identifies heavily with his work. Interestingly Saturn conjuncts his DESC, so that might also relate to his rather personal approach to his audience.

composite has Sun conjunct Venus/Lilith 0°18
*sighs* naturally!
And Sun rules the DESC.

it also squares Venus/Jupiter widely (1°55), though I usually like my midpoints closer than that, but because I mentioned that Venus/Jupiter already...

as you mentioined Sun and moon-midpoints

his Sun
conjunct my Juno/MC 0°59
conjunct my Uranus/Lilith 0°58
conjunct my Pluto/Juno 1°04
conjunct my Saturn/DESC 0°02 (9th harm.)

square my Mars/Saturn 0°54
square my Saturn/ASC 0°02

his Moon
conjunct my Uranus/Lilith 0°43
conjunct my Juno/Pluto 0°38
conjunct my DESC/Vertex 0°35

square my Saturn/Neptune 0°12 (!)
square my Saturn/Node 0°06 (!)

(of course it means his Moon squares the composite Venus/Jupiter-mp. )

my Sun
conjunct his Venus/Uranus 1°17
conjunct his Saturn/ASC 0°14
conjunct his Vertex/ASC 1°08

square his Uranus/Juno 0°25 (he did not expect me either I guess)
square his Pluto/Node 0°27

and veeery widely
conjunct his Sun/Moon 1°42
conjunct his Sun/MC 1°32

my Moon
square his Venus/Jupiter 0°56
square his Venus/Mars 1°24

posted January 30, 2016 06:49 AM            

I think your mdp aspects with P, and I know I've said before, are very marital and fertile, but also exciting at the same time, exhilarating and full of joy. I think that final sq configuration is part of this happy Sag vibes bundle in the charts, and an element of surprise, discovering something you like you didn't expect.

To give a few examples from my FM chart with PM, when it comes to personal mdps

tSun (the identity, the very existence of the meeting)

conj my Venus/Uranus
Mars/Pluto

clearly a strong impact here on both Yin and Yang sides for me lol

sq NN/ASC mdp, and Jupiter/Uranus mdp
karmic aspect and big changes, almost a storm with Jupiter Uranus, so very true

for him

conj Pluto/ASC - triggering intense transformation (it actually conj his Pluto/ASC, they are conj in his chart)

and Jupiter/Uranus mdp as well, a little wider

tMoon (the emotional flavor of the meeting)

it actually conj our NN mdp exact
but back to the natals

conj his Mars/SaturnMC mdp - there was a huge attempt from his side to control himself which actually was quite visible, his sister felt very embarassed and made a harsh comment towards him, he looked like he wanted to eat me or something; he often has this hungry wolf look when with me

opp Venus/Uranus and Jupiter/Pluto mdp

what happened for me with the Sun of the meeting, it happened for him with the Moon. It makes perfect sense, since I am a more solar person (Moon in Leo and other stuff) while he is a more lunar person (water, Moon in Scorpio etc.) Jupiter is also his DSC ruler.

also conj his Saturn/Neptune mdp...I hope in this case it means putting a barrier to the Neptune waters

I'll continue with me, plus Venus, ASC, NN and Vertex.

posted January 30, 2016 07:53 AM            

and opp my Mars/Jupiter - an inner archetype of the strong, victorious male, wanderlust and high spirits. Which means that emotionally I must have perceived him this way, and/or perceive he has this effect on me.

sq my Sun, which is a bundle of crucial mdps for me: it conj my

Venus/Mars
Moon/Uranus
Venus/Pluto

there is a Moon/Sun interplay on both sides

tVenus (love potential in the meeting, instant liking/disliking)

impact on me

this Venus conj my MC/his Moon exact and sq my Moon, AND, the most amazing thing, our composite Venus/ASC

mdps touching for me are all the mdps on my MC/Moon Cross

Uranus/Neptune
Sun/AC
Jupiter/ASC

impact on him

FM Venus is on his Moon and all the mdps of his Moon

Uranus/Neptune
Pluto/NN
Pluto/MC Saturn
Mars/Uranus
Mercury/Venus
Venus/Jupiter

Venus on Venus Jupiter mdp is like a little high

I will not continue with listing ASC MC vertex and NN, it's too heavy for you to read, but you have to check those first and foremost, they give crucial clues about the destiny of the meeting for each player.

Our composite activated by the meeting (for Sunnya )

tSun conj cMoon (1)
tMoon conj cVertex (1)
tVenus conj Venus/ASC (applying by 3 deg)

these 3 alone speak of an activation of the composite. And they are a beautiful metaphor of the "beginning" of a relationship, with the ASC activation, not to mention the very planet conj comp ASC, Venus, triggers this chart. Venus is indeed our trigger planet, so to speak, what brings us together.

This kind of chart poetry makes you be forever enchanted with astrology

This same tVenus transiting the cASC in the following days also activated Uranus/NN mdp (with other mdps sitting on ASC as well).

posted January 30, 2016 09:22 AM            

"I think your mdp aspects with P, and I know I've said before, are very marital and fertile, but also exciting at the same time, exhilarating and full of joy."
Yes, I remember that.
It`s quite multilayered.

"conj my Venus/Uranus
Mars/Pluto"
Love at first sight, electric romantic impulse coupled with strong and deep intensity and passion. And yes, Yin and Yang along with the Uranus-Pluto speaking for a very strong response. Larger than life as it seems.

"sq NN/ASC mdp, and Jupiter/Uranus mdp
karmic aspect and big changes, almost a storm with Jupiter Uranus, so very true"
that reminds me, do you experience extreme weather, too, when you come together, at least after a time apart?
I just remember that I think it was odd, but whenever P and me meet (usually the more major meetings) there is extreme weather.
I remember once I was to see him open air, but they had to interrupt the show because a violent thunderstorm was suddenly happening. Like out of the nothing, with flood-like rain (I went prematurely cause I was actually afraid I would not make it back to the hotel. lol And I was soakening wet when I arrived).
The other time, which was on the open air concert when those changes occurred, it had been an extremely hot day, and it was followed by a century-like storm, in fact so bad that on the next morning the trains would not go anymore, as the trails had to be cleared up, luckily my parents were so nice to pick me up (3 hour drive each direction!), but I remember that I was completely flabbergasted at the station when I realized that I would not be able to leave that place. LOL
this had never happened before. I mean this is Germany you can get whereever you want, even if it takes some planning and discomfort. lol

Those were the two most extreme occurrences, but usually it was always like that extremely rainy, windy or extremely hot, usually at a total unusual time for this.

Well the last time, the meeting in august, happened with almost normal weather, I mean warm is typical of august, just with a bizarrely blue sky which looked almost like a painting.

Anyway I disgress - again. lol

"conj Pluto/ASC - triggering intense transformation (it actually conj his Pluto/ASC, they are conj in his chart)"
Wow, yes, that is intense.

"and Jupiter/Uranus mdp as well, a little wider"
I like that you both had it. and I liek this midpoint, well I should like it my Venus conjuncts Jupiter/Uranus natally

"conj his Mars/SaturnMC mdp - there was a huge attempt from his side to control himself which actually was quite visible, "
LOL
Yes, Mars/Saturn somehow reminds me of the Emperor-card in tarot. I know they say Emperor is Aries, but I find him so much demanding to be in control.
And there is this tendency to either restrict the mars-energy or to focus it.

"he looked like he wanted to eat me or something; he often has this hungry wolf look when with me "
LOL
Yes, I know what you mean.
P has that strangely intense look sometimes, which usually is followed by deciding to completely block me out, as if he can`t meet my eyes anymore. Not sure what that is about, but who knows? Maybe it is a bit of a "hungry" look, and he remembers then that this is not the time, not the place, not appropriate at all, and feeling even a little guilty about it.

" the Sun of the meeting, it happened for him with the Moon."
Yes it DOES make perfect sense, and also emphasizes the Yin-Yang interplay even through transits.
He was meeting a woman (Moon) you were meeting a man (Sun)

"also conj his Saturn/Neptune mdp...I hope in this case it means putting a barrier to the Neptune waters "
In the good way giving a structure to the Neptunian misty waters.

posted January 30, 2016 09:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Ceri, would you consider a Sun-Moon conjunction in a multicomposite with the event important? It's possibly conjunct DSC.

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posted January 30, 2016 09:46 AM            

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and opp my Mars/Jupiter - an inner archetype of the strong, victorious male, wanderlust and high spirits."
Yes, also Mars/Jupiter is traditionally THE engagement/procreation- mp ESPECIALLY when coupled with Moon (pregnancy and the like).

"MA/JU Joy of work. Fortunate acts or accomplishments. Joyous happenings. Betrothal. Fortunate deed. To create something. To produce. Propagation, pregnancy, generation, children, fruits and births. Lucky deed."

It very often is activated in times of marriage/ engagement and/ or birth and conception.

(Moon/Mars in any combinations especially connected to the MC also comes up, well there are some more I guess)

"Venus/Mars
Moon/Uranus
Venus/Pluto"
Again a strong passion ignited, but also indicating that you are a rather independent woman.

this Venus conj my MC/his Moon exact and sq my" Moon, AND, the most amazing thing, our composite Venus/ASC"
Aww this is so sweet and very major with the angles/ Moon.

"Venus on Venus Jupiter mdp is like a little high"
LOL Yes, I guess so.

On the meeting last august

Tr Venus 18°02 Leo r
opposing my n Moon 17°06 Aqua
square his n Venus/Mars 18°31 Scorpio
square his n Venus/Jupiter 18°03 Scorpio
(conjunct his Jupiter/Juno 18°54 Leo)

for me it highlighted very different midpoint pictures

Tr Venus 18°02 Leo
square Mercury/PLuto 17°03 Scorpio
square Sun/Pluto 17°30 Scorpio
square Mars/Uranus 18°15 Scorpio
square ASC / Uranus 19°11 Scorpio

BTW just a tidbit I noticed only recently

my Moon conjunct his Venus/EROS-mp exact (0°01), so this was triggered as well I guess.

He really did seem to find a lot of enjoyment in teasing me that day.

"tSun conj cMoon (1)
tMoon conj cVertex (1)
tVenus conj Venus/ASC (applying by 3 deg)"
Awww yes, I totally can see that. That is major.

posted January 30, 2016 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
Sorry to go off course to the topic but..

Faith: How did the composite Moon Sq. Mars/Saturn/Merc play out for your relationship? I have this with a guy I'm currently seeing. More specifically, I heard that Moon Sq. Saturn in the composite is a total killer.

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The FMC has moon square Mars but we don't have that in composite.

Because the FMC moon is conjunct my sun, and FMC Mars is conjunct my Jupiter, it probably just felt familiar to me.

The first thing I thought when I met him is, "I wonder if I'll marry him."

That wasn't just a psychic flash, there's more to the story that I don't want to get into...

However...one "psychic" element was, a few years beforehand, I was in the habit of buying art magazines, cutting out pictures of artwork I liked, and taping the pictures around my room.

One day I "met" a photorealistic picture of a shirtless, very fit, older man with glasses, and I stared at it for a long time, wondering why it held my attention. I thought, "Do I like you or something?" I was about 18, looking at someone much older. Finally I decided that I loved the picture and taped it to my full-length mirror.

So, strangely, I was dressing and undressing in front of someone who looked exactly like my husband, years before I met my husband.