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hypatia238
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posted February 09, 2016 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do they feel for you in synastry? Do you love them but also want to strangle them? Is it a 'cant stand you or live without you'?What has been your experience with this aspect?

To me there is nothing minor about this aspect natally so I am thinking is powerful in synastry too.

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posted February 09, 2016 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve been pondering about this myself.

in synastry I share with P

his Venus semisqurae my Neptune-Node-conjunction
his Venus semisquare my Jupiter
(all exact).

And yes I DO feel him triggering my Jupiter-Neptune-Node-convo.
Of course his Venus ends up on my Jupiter/node and Jupiter/neptune-mp anyway (and my Moon/Venus and Mars/Juno-one, but that is due to aspects of the 9th and 7th harmonic rather than the 8th harmonic).


natally I have Thor`s Hammer with my Vertex(Eros)-Chiron-square both sesisquare Mars. Yes, certainly true, too. I never knew that, but it appeared in the report I had from darkstar astrology and Marina interpreted it so fitting in terms of my experiences, so I started paying attention to these aspects.


In the synastry with P there is also his Pluto semisquare my Mars-ASC-conjunction (and my Saturn semisquare his NN), and curiously, I hve that strange urge to have a swordsfight with him. I have no clue where that comes from.

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posted February 09, 2016 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Starry~*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am also curious about this aspect in synastry. I have my Saturn sesquisquare my SO's Moon at 0 deg. I'm not sure if this can be a legit saturn aspect even though it's a minor aspect (and tight).

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posted February 09, 2016 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am telling you there is nothing minor about that aspect, the same goes with semisquares...my mercury semisquare Saturn will attest to that. But my mercury is conjunct my MC. And my husband's moon sesquisquares his DC stellium so maybe minor aspects are not minor if an angle is involved!!!

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posted February 09, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am happy you confirm that for me, I do feel it as well, but then again sometimes wonder if I might be reaching for it just to have his Venus aspected.

(it is on the antiscion of my Mars, too, and coming with several parallels, exact semisextile my Sun-Mercury, but you know, how I always look for the big aspects. lol) Yet, even without the usual suspects, there is such a specific planetary geometry with his Venus as focal point it`s a little baffling even.

Even in terms of my composite with certain events (connected to him) it is his Venus that is mostly related to these, triggering these (along with his Juno, which is opposite)

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posted February 11, 2016 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"A sesquisquare is where you may be making a "mountain out of a mole-hill. The sesquisquare is a 135° angle (8° "orb" or less). It will reveal an area of frustration or disappointment. This is most likely due to the fact that you may be blowing the facts or situation clean out of proportion.

This aspect is asking you to chill out. It means that you need to develop some endurance, persistence and patience to avoid the overwhelming feelings of impatience and resentment."

Ceri I am looking for it in my synastry with others to see if I can brainstorm its effects. With my ex his Chart ruler Mercury sesquisquares my Moon which conjuncts my IC; *I was emotionally reactive towards him in our communication always feeling he was being overly critical which reminded me of my dynamics with my mother. He always felt he was only trying to help but perhaps I overreacted to his feedback bc of this aspect, making mountains out of mole hills.

Turns out my Mom's Mercury sesquisquares my vertex-valentine-true priapus conjunct her PLUTO, I suspect her mercury also rules her chart. If there is someone in this planet who I couldn't react to in a detach manner it was her, now in my 30s is a lot better bc I have been working on setting boundaries for years now since undergrad school but even though our relationship is in a good place compare to before her daily habits and pushiness irks me still like crazy. Growing up I felt she wanted to breath for me, turn me into her so in a way merge with me, I felt there were no boundaries and she said that out of all her 3 children I was the only one that she felt this feeling of falling in love when she had me, well her pluto conjuncts my Valentine, true priapus and vertex and all that sesquisquares mercury which I think rules her AC. My venus-mars oppose her mars too tbf and she has sun conjunct ceres and moon in taurus so there were many ingredients brewing that contributed to this but I never felt she listened to me and I always felt not understood, heard or accepted as I was but I probably was very emotionally reactive to her bc of the sesquisquare from her mercury in our communication dynamics.

With my dad it was totally different his pluto conjuncts my vertex-true priapus-valentine but there is no sesquisquares, his venus opposes my mars but we don't have mars opposite mars, his moon and mars are more easy going; moon in virgo and mars in libra.

My ex mercury sesquisquares my moon
My mom's mercury sesquisquares my True Priapus (super moon)-vertex-valentine.

I can see why they reminded me off each other and I felt hyper sensitive around them.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
8 degrees for a sesisquare? No, certainly not!

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posted February 11, 2016 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
8 degrees for a sesisquare? No, certainly not!

hahaha Well I agree but I Liked her interpretation, it really fits my partner's natal sesquisquare aspects.

Another site said to use 2-3 degrees orbs. I think a 2d orb is probably best.

But my intention was to share her interpretation, I thought the same thing as you that 8d was way toooooo wide.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, no, I don´t really relate to the interpretation of "discontentment and disapointment"

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posted February 11, 2016 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, no, I don´t really relate to the interpretation of "discontentment and disapointment"

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posted February 11, 2016 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri do you have sesquisquare natally involving your MOON?

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posted February 11, 2016 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. Moon is sesisquare-free. Why?

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posted February 11, 2016 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That interpretation fits perfectly my husband when he has his mood swings and he has moon sequisquare mars-uranus-Dc. He makes mountains out of mole hills, is very emotionally reactive and has adult temper tantrums, for a while there I would have diagnosed him with intermittent explosive disorder.

He feels frustrated and disappointed which irritates him bc he feels extremely uncomfortable and instead of coping he can't let go and just makes mountains out of mole hills.

As for synastry I think to truly experience fully the effects of a sesquisquare you have to live with someone or be very close to someone seeing them and talking to them regularly.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange has it with her boyfriend and this is how she described it:

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Originally posted by Orange:

Sesquisquare is a very VERY intriguing, annoying and binding aspect. It's like ebbe and flow, hem and haw, fudge and mudge. Its like having your hand slapped during an argument, then you come back again armed up to your teeth for retaliation only to have your other hand slapped. You just always come back for a closure and there is never one. It goes on and on. Its always dragging on the surface, never gets out of control yet never glides smoothly either.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the interpretation has more to do with the nature of the planets involved, than the sesisquare per se.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...so biding but annoying/irritating but you also can't help but love the other and keep coming back even though it feels like you are going in circles.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think the interpretation has more to do with the nature of the planets involved, than the sesisquare per se.

yes I think HER interpretation fits well his specific natal aspect from his moon to his DC stellium but do agree that it would change if other planets are involved and would love to learn more about how it feels with other planets..

Regardless of the planets its a stressful aspect involving a square and semisquare so it will be challenging but perhaps there is also this compulsion to this aspect that keeps you coming back even though it feels like you are going in circles. IDK. If you keep studying this aspect and find more info on it you feel is good please share your findings. Its an interesting aspect that needs to be researched more that is for sure.

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posted February 11, 2016 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"the Sesquisquare indicates or “triggers developmental tension”. So if the native has this aspect, it can indicate a need to develop, mature."


"Julie Demboski says: since the [Sesquisquare] is a component of the config Fist of God [Thor’s Hammer], I see them as a little harsher, generating a lot more stress than a semi-square, and a different kind of stress to a square-more emotional or erratic, perhaps."


"Jan Bird and I talked about the Sesquisquare behaving in a self-destructive way.

I really think the native with a Sesquiquadrate can become self-destructive. Having said that, the word “self-destructive” can give the impression that the person is doing it on purpose. At least, it does to me but I may be sensitive about it since I have two aspects here in my own chart and I feel I don’t want to destroy myself but see that certain actions can be destructive to progressing in society and then yes, I’m being self-destructive.

Having said that, I have found the Sesquiquadrates, in my own chart, isn’t about being self-destructive, on purpose, unless we consider that wanting to express my individuality and share a different perspective from society (popular thought) makes it so."


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Perhaps you push each other to mature and in a way that binds you bc you know that the other is triggering in you an area that needs to develop and that you need to look into that you don't want to deal with but it also is an aspect that makes you react more emotionally towards each other as well as impulsively and erratic.

Perhaps its also an aspect that natally can set you apart from society making it harder to fit in and adapt to how things are resulting in difficulty getting ahead

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posted February 11, 2016 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I can see the interpretation you just wrote and also Orange`s. I even resonate with it in Mr Sag`s and my case, though we of course do not live with each other, but there`s just something, I mean I guess both of us know we should not push that button, we really should not, we are determined to not.... oops who did push the button this time?

Sagittarians and red buttons, you know?


Though in our case we are more semisquareing, but his Juno opposes his Venus by 2 degrees, so his Juno ends up being sesisquare my Jupiter and Neptune-NN as well, though on the very wide side. the semisquares to Venus are exact though.
I think the semisquare might be more of a focusing, internalizing aspect, while the sesisquare is more externalizing, radiating out, maybe explosive even, which of course gives a better chance for getting awareness of the mechanisms involved. With the semisquare, well at least in the case of a square with semisquares to the midpoint-planet, it seems more, I don´t know, automatic? Instinctually responsive without really being clear about what or why it happens?
While with the sesisquare we have the far midpoint involved, and maybe that can make for a better illumination of the issues at hand.


anyway my parents have a DW of Moon-Venus-sesisquare and they fit Orange`s interpretation. They completel love each other are affectionate and all that, but in quite a teasing challenging way. Often reminding me of my pupils to be honest. lol

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posted February 11, 2016 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow there you go your parents double whammy and Orange's relationship support is binding...

I suppose in synastry is challenging but creates attraction and has a binding effect but Ceri I see it in natals and ouch. My brother Saturn ruling his 7th which is RX and falling in the 12th sesquisquaring his Jupiter ruler of his 6th falling in his 8th; that pretty much describes all the areas in his life that never matured. He is 41, never married, never moved out of my parents or became financially independent, I think still a virgin, not a player at all but in so many areas he just never matured or adapted to how the world operates etc...

My partner too in some areas he never matured and adapted to how the world works, functions and operates...

My ex has it from his mercury to his MC conjunct my northnode. Another similar case I remember thinking that I felt he was stuck and would never truly get unstuck for some reason, like something was blocking and he would self sabotage and I feared that it would effect me too.

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posted February 11, 2016 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,l I have Mars sesisquare Chiron and Vertex-Eros-conjunction, but I am stubborn enough to not give up hope of "getting it right" some day.

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posted February 11, 2016 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Though in our case we are more semisquareing, but his Juno opposes his Venus by 2 degrees, so his Juno ends up being sesisquare my Jupiter and Neptune-NN as well, though on the very wide side. the semisquares to Venus are exact though.
I think the semisquare might be more of a focusing, internalizing aspect, while the sesisquare is more externalizing, radiating out, maybe explosive even, which of course gives a better chance for getting awareness of the mechanisms involved. With the semisquare, well at least in the case of a square with semisquares to the midpoint-planet, it seems more, I don´t know, automatic? Instinctually responsive without really being clear about what or why it happens?
While with the sesisquare we have the far midpoint involved, and maybe that can make for a better illumination of the issues at hand.


Fascinating points Ceri! You are extremely and I mean extremely intuitive you know! I think that distinction you are making truly rings.

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posted February 11, 2016 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and Vertex and Eros on my far Sun/Moon-mp exact.

oh and it is almost funny to me how Mr Sag`s Pluto is squaring my Vertex-Eros and Sun/Moon-mp exact, opposite my Chiron and semisquare my Mars (all under 1 degree).

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posted February 11, 2016 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have my moon sesqisquare his saturn 2 degrees. Which means we have a DW because his moon conjuncts my saturn. I'm not yet sure how that sesq feels though....
Also, my mars sesqisquares his saturn 0 degrees. i'm used to that energy because i have mars/saturn conjunct natally. So i can't really tell it apart....if that makes sense? I'm tired lol

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posted February 11, 2016 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well,l I have Mars sesisquare Chiron and Vertex-Eros-conjunction, but I am stubborn enough to not give up hope of "getting it right" some day.

I love that, don't ever give up hope, I feel sesquisquares with a lot of self awareness can be overcome.

I have nessus sesquisquare neptune in the 1st and neptune squares my luminaries opposition. My goal this year is to be nice to myself always, not allow any thoughts that bring me down or bring my mood down, learn to manage my thoughts and self perception better, not assign self blame for everything, set better boundaries, separate my feelings from others etc..

How is mars sesquisquare chiron?, I had a client back when I was a case manager that committed suicide . I just looked at his chart bc was wondering if he had any sesquisquares; that really broke my heart bc I liked him a lot, he was younger than me then but he had already attempted suicide even before I became his case manager.

But you have a career, many passions, high intellect, incredible insight and perspective; he didnt have any of those things. He seemed to feel super guilty about something, it felt like he just carried unnecessary excessive guilt and self blame around but never wanted to really talk about it, he was very anxious.

I am thinking that EROS there totally changes that aspect's meaning turning into a well of creativity and insight for you.

He didnt have Eros or Vertex there with chiron keeping it company and brighting it up, it was just mars sesquisquare chiron.

There ware some transits and other aspects contributing too..

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