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Neptunian Venus
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posted February 10, 2016 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neptunian Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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MilaBirkin
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posted February 10, 2016 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not so sure about Synastry but SUN OPPOSITE MOON in Composite Chart is really strong to me. I think it's like an unbreakable link. May be annoying (VERY).

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posted February 10, 2016 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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posted February 10, 2016 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conjunct Pluto. As the Pluto person, I can't really forget. Venus seems to have moved in just fine.

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posted February 10, 2016 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Same here.

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Faith
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posted February 10, 2016 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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MilaBirkin
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posted February 10, 2016 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MilaBirkin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Faith. Sun opposite moon, Sun conjunct Venus. And Saturn is involved too. I can imagine a little.

I met a guy, we have Sun opposite Moon and I don't know if I like it lol because I have Sun opposite moon in composite with my last ex and I tried to get over him for 3 or 4 years.
Well, I think about this guy, a lot.
Next time, I will be cautious with Composite Chart. I'm not sure if I like or hate that aspect in Composite Chart. Maybe I love it and hate it .

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posted February 10, 2016 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: above relationship

My draconic sun on his south node.

I wonder if node-to-draconic synastry is binding?

I have a Scorpio NN.
My husband's draconic ASC is almost exactly conjunct my NN.
His draconic Pluto is conjunct my sun.
His draconic moon squares my nodes almost exactly, and is tightly conjunct my draconic Pluto.

My husband has a Scorpio NN.
My draconic Venus and Mercury form a yod with his NN.

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posted February 10, 2016 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Mila

Good luck!

I think I know what you mean about loving and hating it.

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mar1982delta
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posted February 10, 2016 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me so far, I suppose the vertex does that. Or maybe, jupiter(/mars?) conjuncting my moon, simultaneously.. Really lot of feelings. Maybe it's personal after all, depending the person in question and their natal chart (My moon is unaspected natally, so perhaps this has a double impact?)
@Faith, very interesting observation, I didn't consider draconic having such a binding impact, but maybe it's true. Btw, I think I have read the most significant topics on draconics here in LL, but do you have any good site or book to suggest? I am very intrigued by them, but I can't really find so much information in the web..Ty

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posted February 11, 2016 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think draconic can have a binding impact.

Just trying to lay out my experiences and see if there was that node-draconic connection.

In my experience it can take a while to get draconic going...like the draconic doesn't automatically spark with the tropical the way two tropical charts will connect and generate an obvious energy.

Draconic is a destiny-related chart, and it either hovers over the tropical getting you a strange sense that something is there that you can't pinpoint, so you part ways with the person...or it fuses itself to the tropical over time...and you find it very very hard to part ways.

Edits examples***

Anyway...

To answer your question...

My draconic "school" is just playing with charts.

You've probably seen this article already, it's the best one I know of:

http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/articles/tutorial/draconic-chart.html

Please don't quote, I may remove this.

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posted February 11, 2016 02:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to do a shout out to the Vertex axis in synastry terms of making people unforgettable... If somebody conjuncts your Vertex or Antivertex they tend to leave a lasting impression on you. It has a haunting quality. Something about their image/vibe (probably related to the conjuncting planet) is very memorable. Conjunctions to the Vertex and Antivertex rulers may create the same effect.

Actually, I've noticed that any aspect in synastry where the other person aspects your Vertex axis tends to make them stand out. Squares, trines, sextiles, and even semi-squares. Conjunctions just happen to be the most obvious aspects. Also, whether the person stand out to you for a good reason, or a bad reason, depends on the rest of the synastry. Activity with the Vertex Axis in synastry shows that there will be a big impact for the Vertex Axis person (connection has fated 'electric' feel). The rest of the story (happy or sad) has more to do with what else is in the individual synastry.

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posted February 11, 2016 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roseelima16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although Saturn creates bonds, it's a cold and dry planet, so it freezes what it gets in contact with. I'd see Saturn bonding two people inside an existent relationship. But after it's done, it would just freeze those memories in the past and let them there. The persistence you mention sounds more like Plutonian connections to me. A couple in my family that didn't have Saturn connections but had a lot of Pluto's just couldn't break up for years. Although the relationship was toxic and abusive for both parts in different ways, they sticked to it and even nowadays (they're separated) they can't forget each other. They have several Pluto contacts with the personal planets in their synastry and, in the Composite, Sun-Venus tight conjunction in Scorpio and Pluto in Libra, creating a mutual reception. It was hell (and glue) on Earth! Check the relationship chart too (Composite or Davison) cause they represent the relationship itself.

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posted February 11, 2016 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith
Oh, I see, I' ll try that..I have made some comparisons already, but I still haven't studied enough the connections with all of the people involved in my life now and then.
Thank you for your reply!

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posted February 11, 2016 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lotis White:
I have to do a shout out to the Vertex axis in synastry terms of making people unforgettable... If somebody conjuncts your Vertex or Antivertex they tend to leave a lasting impression on you. It has a haunting quality. Something about their image/vibe (probably related to the conjuncting planet) is very memorable. Conjunctions to the Vertex and Antivertex rulers may create the same effect.

Actually, I've noticed that any aspect in synastry where the other person aspects your Vertex axis tends to make them stand out. Squares, trines, sextiles, and even semi-squares. Conjunctions just happen to be the most obvious aspects. Also, whether the person stand out to you for a good reason, or a bad reason, depends on the rest of the synastry. Activity with the Vertex Axis in synastry shows that there will be a big impact for the Vertex Axis person (connection has fated 'electric' feel). The rest of the story (happy or sad) has more to do with what else is in the individual synastry.


Yes! And combine this with the Nodes. Nodal contacts are ties that bind and so mostly are not forgettable.

I have awesome synastry with one person who's Vertex is conjunct my Sun and my Vertex is conjunct is North Node. The ruler of my Vertex is conjunct his Moon. HAUNTING is the right word in my experience as well!! In a good way if you want to really see the possibilities.

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posted February 12, 2016 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sylven:
Yes! And combine this with the Nodes. Nodal contacts are ties that bind and so mostly are not forgettable.

I have awesome synastry with one person who's Vertex is conjunct my Sun and my Vertex is conjunct is North Node. The ruler of my Vertex is conjunct his Moon. HAUNTING is the right word in my experience as well!! In a good way if you want to really see the possibilities.


I feel ya,

Vertex/Node for instance is quite compelling. The nodes of the Moon seem to tug at something deep inside us. The South Node seems to dredge up spooky familiar vibes, and with the North Node it's like we recognize something about the other person that we must assimilate.

This is my take on the Nodes (especially synastry wise)...

In the western the tradition the North Node is supposed to by like Jupiter because it shows where we need to learn and grow. In the Vedic tradition the North Node is like Saturn because sometimes learning those lessons takes hard work, and is a challenge.

In the western traditon it's the South Node that's supposed to by like Saturn, because the South Node is associated with the past and dwelling on that too much holds us back (restriction). In Vedic traditon the South Node is supposed to by like Mars because it shows the lessons we've already learned, and what we naturally are good at (so much so that we can take this for granted)... We are like an accomplished warrior at the South Node, and a kid still in training at the North Node.

A person with a planet at our South Node can often recognize the natural talents and abilities we have which we take for granted, they fit in with our natural flow and habit patterns. They remind us to appreciate what we can already do. A person with a planet on the North Node reminds us, conversely, how very much we still have to learn... And deep down we know that's the direction we need to go in order to develop more fully as a person .

I also remember reading that in Vedic astrology the South Node is more metaphysical and reclusive (kind of like the 12th house), while the North Node is about getting out there in the world in accomplishing things (kind of like the 10th/11th houses).

I can see how both takes work in synastry. The South Node connections seem to pull you into a cozy cocoon with the other. North Node connections seem to inspire you to get out of your comfort zone more, and do something constructive.

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posted February 14, 2016 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neptunian Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I think draconic can have a binding impact.

Just trying to lay out my experiences and see if there was that node-draconic connection.

In my experience it can take a while to get draconic going...like the draconic doesn't automatically spark with the tropical the way two tropical charts will connect and generate an obvious energy.

Draconic is a destiny-related chart, and it either hovers over the tropical getting you a strange sense that something is there that you can't pinpoint, so you part ways with the person...or it fuses itself to the tropical over time...and you find it very very hard to part ways.


I second this.
In all significant connections I've had that have left me changed for good (3 in total, including my current boyfriend), the Draco charts were strongly activated on both sides.

The impact is deep and soul-penetrating and you are never the same again. There's a very destined, obsessive feel to the north node also, like there's no getting away from it and it pulls you back in each time you try and let go.

In Vedic astrology, the North Node is known as a snakes head without the body. It consumes and consumes but is never satisfied, because that is the soul's lesson. It's what's new to you and what you're here to be obsessive about in order for your soul to grow.
So it would make sense that conjunctions and squares in the Draconic synastry would leave such an impact on people.

The South Node is the snake's tail, without the head. It's ego-less and has no thought or any agenda. It's all being detachment, spirituality, enlightenment. It represents things your soul has already mastered and therefore is letting go of in this life.
So I assume that oppositions in the Dracos wouldn't be as compulsive/obsessive, since they are conjunctions to the South Node. The connection would then lessen over time instead of deepen or grow, because your soul doesn't need that anymore. That's what it's letting go and it's embracing the North Node.

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posted February 14, 2016 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Thanks

I'm loving this whole conversation, about the nodes.

In my case, the south node feels warm and pleasantly grounded, and the north node feels on-edge and scary, but more vibrantly alive. SN Taurus, NN Scorpio.

Planets conjunct my SN make me want to hug them or just luxuriate there.

Planets conjunct my NN may feel like a battery pack plugged into my psychic apparatus. Not only are we talking about spiritual topics, but the rapport is intuitive both ways, and in a few cases, engaging with them brought on paranormal experiences. (My NN is conjunct Kaali, so that could be a factor.) It always ends up leaving me on edge somehow...wanting to go deeper and deeper into mysteries. There is no resolution...it IS insatiable, yes.

Maybe because I am trying to find the south node again through the north node...the dragon eating its tail.

I want to get to a point where I am comfortable in the spiritual dimension. I read a lot of books about Near Death Experiences because they show what I'm looking for: the cycle of living a relatively comfortable life (Taurus), then death (Scorpio), then some kind of heaven (Taurus again.)

In other news:

My husband's Vertex is conjunct my NN.

We have Mercury-Neptune-NN in Scorpio in composite. Telepathy, especially when he is sleeping. If I'm wondering about something while he sleeps next to me, he will often answer as if he heard me.

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posted February 14, 2016 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith

Lovely aspect this vertex - NN, isn' t it? Sooo nice that you have it with your husband!
May I ask you a quick question? You mentioned neptune - mercury in composite, do you think neptune opposite sun/moon midpoint in composite could lead to the same effect, I mean a kind of "telepathy", as if you can "feel" it in your body when they are thinking of you? Or is it something having to do with vertex, because I read about this "electrifying" feeling in almost every post/article about vertex and it was in fact a bit terrifying for me, because for the last 1,5 year -before studying astrology- I thought I was going crazy or something!
thank you in advance!

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