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Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 13, 2013 05:06 AM quote: Originally posted by jjj: My sis is right now obsessed with her ex husband, she is suffering a lot ebcause she just cant get him out of her head! They met 2 years ago and married some months later. And divorced in less than 2 years. He left her because it got overwhelming. Her Gemini venus is conjunct his SN. It's uncanny how many times I hear stories like that and there is always either saturn or venus in aspect with the nodes.Amazing..I had saturn-NN with the first love of my life,and venus-NN with the second guy,both relationships failed,not without lessons learned though. IP: Logged
ueharaa Knowflake Posts: 784 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted May 13, 2013 09:22 AM quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: This is a bit confusing to me.I've tried searching for how to find SN contacts. SN in vedic is ketu that's why I know where to find it in my chart.The south node is to the opposite end of the axis.If NN is in libra,SN would be in aries.But no where can I find my SN natal aspects.So if I have NN square leo venus,is my SN making an aspect with venus? And if I have sun square NN (his) in synastry, (his SN is in aries) what aspect would it be making to my leo sun? the nodes are an axis. So every time a planet makes an aspect to one, it makes an aspect to the other. If it conjuncts the north node, it opposes the south node. If it squares the north node, it squares the south node too. If it trines one, it sextiles the other. However I don't think trine and sextile are that "big" when it comes to synastry. Some astrologers just don't pay attention to them because unlike a planet which "emits" energy, the nodes are points in space and can be tiggered if something conjuncts them or is something conjuncts their midpoint (square). This being said, I don't see why nodes would be one factor in not forgetting someone. saturn and pluto make sense because saturn doesn't want to let go and is very persistent about things or thoughts and pluto has that similar quality. But why the nodes? IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 13, 2013 11:07 AM ^^ In vedic, NN acts like Saturn. The nodes are indicators of karma. Nodal contacts with another person has always been binding for me.Not necessarily ''I can't forget you'' kinda thing though because I sure forgot my exes! So do pluto contacts,at least for me, when it's over it's like a switch turned off. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24022 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted May 13, 2013 01:01 PM yes, I forgot to mention the nodes. Their aftermath is well lasting. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24022 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted May 13, 2013 01:14 PM Squares to the nodal axis are very strong. After all they are on the midpoint of both nodes. IP: Logged
Freesia Knowflake Posts: 375 From: Registered: Mar 2013	posted May 13, 2013 01:20 PM What if My NN is in square to guys Saturn? Who is supposed to be attached more, me or him? IP: Logged
tgem Moderator Posts: 4682 From: Registered: Jan 2013	posted May 13, 2013 01:23 PM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Squares to the nodal axis are very strong. After all they are on the midpoint of both nodes. Ceri- do you have any input on how the square to nodes plays out? My NN squares mercury with soulmate. How does this manifest? Does it hit me more? Him? Both? I would think mercury plays out differently than sun or moon square the nodes...I never had a feeling of I've know him forever...but there is definitely the non verbal communication going on!! Then again..we also have moon conjunct neptune. Neither him nor I have mercury square NN natally so I'm determined to find out how this usually manifests in synastry. The plutoian relationship is over now but there was no closure which has been VERY difficult for me...on top of that, I'm a water ASC which I've heard has a hard time letting go.. IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 13, 2013 01:37 PM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Squares to the nodal axis are very strong. After all they are on the midpoint of both nodes. do you mind if I ask you to elaborate a little bit more? Aren't squares challenging aspects? I've read squares to NN are more desirable than harmonious aspects in synastry and composite. I have sun square NN both in synastry and composite. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24022 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted May 13, 2013 02:11 PM Yeah, they are challenging. But without a challenge noone would ever grow. And yes, they are oftentimes friction aspects; but to be blunt, without friction and tension, sex would be impossible. (I actually heard that in a video by Basil Fearrington. lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYo3TLyM8s0 I am still researching the nodes myself. I find these articles worth reading http://www.themetaarts.com/archives/200308/basilfearington.html http://www.astrologywithdonnalyn.com/articles/tyl_nodes.html http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/11/10/synastry-studies-the-nodes-an-introduction/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/11/20/the-hungry-moon-the-nodes-part-one/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/12/17/which-way-forward-the-nodes-part-two/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/04/09/the-story-of-the-nodes-once-upon-a-time-t he-nodes-part-three/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/04/28/there-once-lived-the-story-of-the-nodes-part-4/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/05/11/and-they-lived-the-story-of-the-nodes-part-five/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus -the-nodes-part-two/ and of course the theory of the skipped step http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/what-happens-wh en-you-meet-your-skipped-step-repaying-karmic-debts-in-romantic-relationships.html However, leaving these articles beside, any midpoint is a point where two energies come together, a point of integration, so if you have a square to an axis, it will gnerate a lot of attention that is for sure, and hopefully bring consciousness aboutw here you have come from and where you are going to. It is through that point that you actually can take your past skills (SN) and use them for building your future (NN). Having the consciousness and potential to do that, does not always mean it is pleasant and easy going though. Also, keeping in mind that the nodes are a point or an axis of "connection", and interplay between Yin and Yang (as they are realted to Sun and Moon). I know I did not directly answer who feels more; first of all because I think both feel it, just in different ways, and secondly I would recommend going through your significant relationships (including family and friends) and see how it played out for you personally, then you know how you probably will experience it in future associations, too. EDIT: The thing that I found a little creepy, was that when doing a little research on working/ lasting vs tragically failed relationships in the the celebrity world I stumbled per chance across a certain nodal pattern. Of course it might be just a coincidence, but I keep an eye on that one now. lol http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204799.html IP: Logged
Belage Knowflake Posts: 2017 From: USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 13, 2013 06:10 PM quote: Originally posted by Randall: Saturn bonds are unbreakable. Pluto ones can be obsessive. Either of these. What do we consider Saturn bonds? Are all aspects bonds? For instance, I can see conjunction creating a bond, but what of square or oppositions and trines? IP: Logged
Jkitty Knowflake Posts: 992 From: an oasis in the desert Registered: Mar 2013	posted May 14, 2013 12:56 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Yeah, they are challenging. But without a challenge noone would ever grow. And yes, they are oftentimes friction aspects; but to be blunt, without friction and tension, sex would be impossible. (I actually heard that in a video by Basil Fearrington. lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYo3TLyM8s0 I am still researching the nodes myself. I find these articles worth reading http://www.themetaarts.com/archives/200308/basilfearington.html http://www.astrologywithdonnalyn.com/articles/tyl_nodes.html http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/11/10/synastry-studies-the-nodes-an-introduction/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/11/20/the-hungry-moon-the-nodes-part-one/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/12/17/which-way-forward-the-nodes-part-two/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/04/09/the-story-of-the-nodes-once-upon-a-time-t he-nodes-part-three/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/04/28/there-once-lived-the-story-of-the-nodes-part-4/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/05/11/and-they-lived-the-story-of-the-nodes-part-five/ http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/02/08/soul-points-in-synastry-the-vertex-versus -the-nodes-part-two/ and of course the theory of the skipped step http://sasstrology.com/2012/02/what-happens-wh en-you-meet-your-skipped-step-repaying-karmic-debts-in-romantic-relationships.html However, leaving these articles beside, any midpoint is a point where two energies come together, a point of integration, so if you have a square to an axis, it will gnerate a lot of attention that is for sure, and hopefully bring consciousness aboutw here you have come from and where you are going to. It is through that point that you actually can take your past skills (SN) and use them for building your future (NN). Having the consciousness and potential to do that, does not always mean it is pleasant and easy going though. Also, keeping in mind that the nodes are a point or an axis of "connection", and interplay between Yin and Yang (as they are realted to Sun and Moon). I know I did not directly answer who feels more; first of all because I think both feel it, just in different ways, and secondly I would recommend going through your significant relationships (including family and friends) and see how it played out for you personally, then you know how you probably will experience it in future associations, too. EDIT: The thing that I found a little creepy, was that when doing a little research on working/ lasting vs tragically failed relationships in the the celebrity world I stumbled per chance across a certain nodal pattern. Of course it might be just a coincidence, but I keep an eye on that one now. lol http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204799.html Your posts are always wonderful! I'm working my way through the links you provided. But one question: You mentioned that squares to the Nodal Axis are strong because a square would fall on the midpoint of the Nodes (if I understood that correctly). But what about if one of the Nodes (lets say SN for example) falls on the Sun/Moon midpoint in synastry? Would that result in an "I can't forget you" bond? IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 14, 2013 01:11 AM @ Ceri Thank you for such an insightful post! You gave me so much to read. I too believe the nodal contacts in synastry and composite relate to karma. I share nodal contacts with everyone in my family,mainly saturn-NN contacts,and mars-NN. I am the strong person I am today because of the difficulties I had to overcome in my life. Whenever I see nodal contacts in synastry I KNOW this person has come into my life for a reason or for a lesson.Like I said in my previous posts, I have only natal squares to NN ( Saturn,Venus, and Mercury.Mars sextile NN doesn't really count for much. I believe NN contacts in synastry is very important to me.I've indeed found a pattern with saturn-NN,venus-NN, NN-NN contacts in relationships full of strife and obstacles.Yes, I agree with you, I feel the pull too even though I'm the planet person, it's my sun that squares his NN. IP: Logged
its_aqua Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Mars Registered: Nov 2012	posted May 14, 2013 05:13 AM The nodes and the lights!! When Sun or Moon conjuncts/opposes or squares the other person's node. It doesn't guarrantee that the relationship will be great or long lasting, but you'll never ever forget each other. It's like something keeps you bonded. Even if time passes and you havent talked to each other for like a year, and then you talk again, there is an ongoing energy between you. It just feels like a bond. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24022 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted May 14, 2013 05:45 AM quote: Originally posted by its_aqua: [b]The nodes and the lights!! When Sun or Moon conjuncts/opposes or squares the other person's node. It doesn't guarrantee that the relationship will be great or long lasting, but you'll never ever forget each other. It's like something keeps you bonded. Even if time passes and you havent talked to each other for like a year, and then you talk again, there is an ongoing energy between you. It just feels like a bond.[/B] THIS! IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 14, 2013 05:56 AM ^^ I have both sun and moon contacts with his NN in synastry, sun-NN in composite. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 24022 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted May 14, 2013 05:59 AM quote: Originally posted by Jessica2407: ^^ I have both sun and moon contacts with his NN in synastry, sun-NN in composite. how does it feel to you personally? IP: Logged
its_aqua Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Mars Registered: Nov 2012	posted May 14, 2013 06:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: THIS! So glad someone with your knowledge agrees with me Ceri! If I know something about astrology that's the node stuff ^_^ IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 14, 2013 07:04 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: how does it feel to you personally? Like I know him.Like I've known him all my life you know.I can be my true self with him.Initially it took me by surprise,that is the feeling of deja vu.Like you've known this person for your whole life.I shared NN contacts before romantically I mean, but not with the sun and the moon.This feeling is different,it feels more grounded,like a magnet drawing you to the person.They say the NN person is more drawn to the planet person but I don't feel less drawn to him.Does NN contacts have anything to do with nonverbal communication? Because that's one thing that we are very in tune with each other.We communicate non verbally and TBH it's truly amazing.My NN sextile his Merc at 1 degree.My Merc squares my NN -2 degree.I have to note that while I have squares to NN natally,he does too, his natal sun and moon squares his NN.My saturn is in 7th house and his saturn falls in my 7th house.I believe it is relevant since my NN squares my saturn.We have saturn conjunct saturn in synastry. IP: Logged
ueharaa Knowflake Posts: 784 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted May 14, 2013 07:30 AM All of your answers make sense to me. Saturn, pluto and the nodes, well they definitely apply in my case. But the idea that a synastry can still be felt and have some influence even when the person hasn't been around for a long time is weird to me. Besides aren't both people supposed to still think about each other? What about cases where it's only one of them that can't forget? Also since Saturn, the nodes and Pluto all relate to karma. DO you just remember as long as you don't learn the lesson? IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 14, 2013 07:35 AM ^^ If one of them hasn't been able to move on or to find what he or she is looking for in life, you might have the tendency to dwell on the past more or if one of them hasn't been able to find closure.Pluto needs closure in order to move on. IP: Logged
Orange Knowflake Posts: 3845 From: Georgia Registered: May 2009	posted May 14, 2013 09:03 AM somebody answer JKitty, please.... cause I want to know that, too IP: Logged
ueharaa Knowflake Posts: 784 From: Registered: Sep 2011	posted May 14, 2013 09:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Orange: somebody answer JKitty, please.... cause I want to know that, too I am not familiar with midpoints configuration involving the nodes. But I guess since midpoints are significant and nodes are too then the combination could only be significant quote: If one of them hasn't been able to move on or to find what he or she is looking for in life, you might have the tendency to dwell on the past more or if one of them hasn't been able to find closure.Pluto needs closure in order to move on. I agree with what you said. But this also means that the "i can't forget you" thing has nothing to do with synastry and everything to do with one's personal attitude towards events, meetings, relationship and such. As you said someone that tends to dwell on the past and gives a lot of importance to relationships is more likely to have thoughts linger than someone who just meets life ahead and focus on the present and the people that are there in the now with him/her. I wanted to know if there were synastry indicators that showed that you just don't forget that person. Not necessarily because you still have feelings for them or because you miss them (which could be a reason though). You simply don't. Whatever it was between you and them, you got closure, you can move on and such .. Maybe I am not making sense at all here. IP: Logged
Jessica2407 Moderator Posts: 5151 From: Saturn Registered: Sep 2012	posted May 14, 2013 10:57 AM ^^ I had two significant relationships. Both will remain forever with me. It's not the kind of thoughts that will make me regret what happened,it's rather because relationships are very important to me.But I don't linger on the past,although it took me quite some time to get over.The more time you take to get over someone the more likely you feel you will never forget that person.I'm probably not the best person to answer your question since I have a stellium in the 7th house,I would say it's the person's attitude/opinions therefore natal aspects that predominantly makes it very difficult to move on.Wasn't there a thread floating around on LL which moon placement is least likely to get over someone something like that? IP: Logged
foxxyxo Knowflake Posts: 404 From: Registered: May 2012	posted May 14, 2013 02:19 PM its definately the NODES!!! of course, it always is theres only one guy who i will never forget who i feel like i never actually got to live out our relationship because it got cut short due to outer circumstances. anyways he told me he will never forget the way he felt about me. and this was years ago his DSC is scorpio with pluto and his north node in there....my venus lands in there and conjuncts his pluto under first degree as well as his NN under 1st degree so he has natally NN conjunct pluto and my venus conjuncts them both. id say thats pretty powerful!! my sun/moon midpoint (me as a person) also conjunct his NN (2 degrees) and my ASC trines his NN his saturn trines my moon and squares my venus my saturn conjuncts his mars and lightly conjuncts his moon we have alot of 12th house synastry and double whammy moon trine venus!! it was definately fate that we met o yea annnnnnnd his vertex conjuncts my moon by 2segrees!!! yea...id like to think id see this guy in the future even though were miles away right now he makes me feel like his the one and he warms my heart so much whenever i think of him..its undescribable even after so many years. we both feel like weve known each other so much longer than we actually have also. it makes me sad though because all of our aspects seem so karmic, like we definately were meant to meet but i don't think we were meant to be...distance kills it all my venus conjunct his NN means i was suppose to teach him about love and loving himself, well he told me i was his "first love" so i guess mission was complete? god that would be torture!!!!!!! if feelings are still there do you think karma hasnt take its course then? sorry, off topic....... and to answer somebody's question about midpoints, yes they're very powerful but i'd only count sun/moon midpoint being that is your sun essence and feeling combined, the essence of who you are they will be attracted to so you might feel as though you didnt have to try hard or even try at all for that person to like you IP: Logged
tgem Moderator Posts: 4682 From: Registered: Jan 2013	posted May 14, 2013 02:28 PM quote: Originally posted by tgem: Ceri- do you have any input on how the square to nodes plays out? My NN squares mercury with soulmate. How does this manifest? Does it hit me more? Him? Both? I would think mercury plays out differently than sun or moon square the nodes...I never had a feeling of I've know him forever...but there is definitely the non verbal communication going on!! Then again..we also have moon conjunct neptune. Neither him nor I have mercury square NN natally so I'm determined to find out how this usually manifests in synastry. The plutoian relationship is over now but there was no closure which has been VERY difficult for me...on top of that, I'm a water ASC which I've heard has a hard time letting go.. IP: Logged

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