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llewsacm
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posted February 15, 2016 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
synastry:
midpoint composite:

I've known this man for about 5 years, and he keeps popping back up and pursuing me when I do see or hear from him. He is much younger so I wonder what the attraction is. Something tells me he's just looking for a hook-up, which I am not interested in. Otherwise, a very nice man and easy to talk to.

I'm really just curious as to why this keeps happening. He is very forward with his approach.

Thanks for anyone who wants to take a look and comment.

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posted February 15, 2016 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clear Vasya case! (I take the vedic moon signs here)
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posted February 16, 2016 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmmm mir, I don't study vedic, but just moon sign alone would do this? So this guy would pretty much act this way with anyone having a vedic Libra moon? Lol. I've heard he is quite promiscuous as well.

With tropical, I thought it would have something to do with lilith or the node placements perhaps. Or even Neptune on the descendent axis.

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posted February 16, 2016 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is your Mars on his Asc?

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posted February 16, 2016 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, that is my Mars. I'm the inner wheel.

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posted February 16, 2016 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from the composite, it seems he is extremely infatuated with you s lilth is conjunct psyche and the south node with Aphrodite conjunct the north node.
this configuration is very emotional and psychically connected. his attraction is very deep.
the hookup seem to be from the stellium of sun/mercury/venus(which is actually very joyous and social) square to Neptune.
Neptune with square venus/sun gives a strong sexual attraction but t is often associated with socializing. with mercury square to Neptune, there is a bit of insincerity and overall only a passing interest.this is also seen by the square of Uranus/mars/Jupiter.

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posted February 16, 2016 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, llewsacm, I 'll try to take a look into your synastry, I don't know if I can help you, since I am a beginner! But the truth is that I was bit terrified when I looked at your composite, as it looks a lot alike to my natal chart!!! Not the planets, just the pattern configuration!
Look for yourself! It's a bit overwhelming, isn't it?


As for the synastry,
I think there are plenty of aspects pointing to this outcome, some of theme are :
1) both your moon and your Lilith conjuncts his Vertex, Vertex connections are overwhelming and since lilith (obsession, dark, alluring nature, powerful, magnetic, seductive etc) is involved, the vertex person definitely is affected by it (you).

2) his lilith on your ascendant

3) your north node is on his juno, his ideal wife AND his moon, too, so this is definitely important in terms of him pursuing you

4) his north node is on his sun/merc/chiron stellium, major connection as well.

One of them alone is enough to cause this effect you described, imagine 4 all together (and possibly more that I didn't notice)!!! So, its not that weird that he keeps pursuing you!
What makes me wonder though is why you don't feel the same way, too. I say that only for these connections above, possibly there are other things in synastry that I didn't see. I only saw these four connections. If I have to find a reason relative only to the aspects above, I would say that all three are "difficult" and overwhelming connections and many people feel uncomfortable with them, as if they are attracted and repulsed in the same time, too. I don't know, is this feeling the case here? Do you feel somewhat overwhelmingly attracted, as if there is no logical explanation and you think it's not real, by questioning his motives? Or are you simply not that attracted to this guy? Perhaps, I am overreaching here and totally wrong as I m far from experienced. But if that's the case, it confirms that vertex, lilith and nodes are really "weird" aspects, as Lilith connections can cause a repulse as if something is really dangerous and bad or node connections (especially north node connections) can feel not so comfortable, as if they are pushing us forward to somewhere we are not still ready to go and therefore also somewhat repulsive.
Please tell me if I am totally wrong here, I am really interested in your feedback!

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posted February 16, 2016 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
from the composite, it seems he is extremely infatuated with you s lilth is conjunct psyche and the south node with Aphrodite conjunct the north node.
this configuration is very emotional and psychically connected. his attraction is very deep.
the hookup seem to be from the stellium of sun/mercury/venus(which is actually very joyous and social) square to Neptune.
Neptune with square venus/sun gives a strong sexual attraction but t is often associated with socializing. with mercury square to Neptune, there is a bit of insincerity and overall only a passing interest.this is also seen by the square of Uranus/mars/Jupiter.

todd


Todd, just a quick question, because I don't mean to derrail llewsacm's thread, do you think the same interpretation for lilith conjunct psyche goes for synastry, too? I found it in my synastry, but I didn't find information for it anywhere online! Thank you very much!

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posted February 16, 2016 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Yes, that is my Mars. I'm the inner wheel.

Well then, your Mars on his Asc means he's sexually attracted to you. Very. He will always feel drawn to you physically.

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posted February 16, 2016 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by todd:
from the composite, it seems he is extremely infatuated with you s lilth is conjunct psyche and the south node with Aphrodite conjunct the north node.
this configuration is very emotional and psychically connected. his attraction is very deep.
the hookup seem to be from the stellium of sun/mercury/venus(which is actually very joyous and social) square to Neptune.
Neptune with square venus/sun gives a strong sexual attraction but t is often associated with socializing. with mercury square to Neptune, there is a bit of insincerity and overall only a passing interest.this is also seen by the square of Uranus/mars/Jupiter.

todd


Thanks todd. Although I don't understand how the attraction can run deep but passing. Is that the Uranus/Mars square in action?

I'm surprised you didn't mention anything about the yod. Not significant in this case?

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posted February 16, 2016 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
What makes me wonder though is why you don't feel the same way, too. I say that only for these connections above, possibly there are other things in synastry that I didn't see. I only saw these four connections. If I have to find a reason relative only to the aspects above, I would say that all three are "difficult" and overwhelming connections and many people feel uncomfortable with them, as if they are attracted and repulsed in the same time, too. I don't know, is this feeling the case here? Do you feel somewhat overwhelmingly attracted, as if there is no logical explanation and you think it's not real, by questioning his motives? Or are you simply not that attracted to this guy? Perhaps, I am overreaching here and totally wrong as I m far from experienced. But if that's the case, it confirms that vertex, lilith and nodes are really "weird" aspects, as Lilith connections can cause a repulse as if something is really dangerous and bad or node connections (especially north node connections) can feel not so comfortable, as if they are pushing us forward to somewhere we are not still ready to go and therefore also somewhat repulsive.
Please tell me if I am totally wrong here, I am really interested in your feedback!

That is strange that the aspects show the same pattern in your natal. Thanks for sharing that.

Believe me, I am attracted to this guy. He is very good looking and has a sweetness to him as well. However, I haven't headed down this road because i think he's just looking to get crazy in the sack, which we would...lol. BUT, I get this feeling it would happen and we would be done with each other. I'm at the point in my life that if I'm going down that road, I'm going to invest time in some type of relationship, which I don't think he is capable of giving. I don't know why...just my gut I suppose?

I do find it strange that he's so young and good looking and trying to go after a divorced mom with 3 kids. It's just doesn't add up in my head...lol.

Anyway, I appreciate you outlining what I had also noticed in the synastry, but it really helps when someone else points it out and walks you through it. You really made some good points!

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posted February 16, 2016 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
Well then, your Mars on his Asc means he's sexually attracted to you. Very. He will always feel drawn to you physically.

OK thanks CC. I pay close attention to the angles in any chart and thought the same thing. Just haven't experienced it before...at least that I am aware of.

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posted February 16, 2016 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
That is strange that the aspects show the same pattern in your natal. Thanks for sharing that.

Believe me, I am attracted to this guy. He is very good looking and has a sweetness to him as well. However, I haven't headed down this road because i think he's just looking to get crazy in the sack, which we would...lol. BUT, I get this feeling it would happen and we would be done with each other. I'm at the point in my life that if I'm going down that road, I'm going to invest time in some type of relationship, which I don't think he is capable of giving. I don't know why...just my gut I suppose?

I do find it strange that he's so young and good looking and trying to go after a divorced mom with 3 kids. It's just doesn't add up in my head...lol.

Anyway, I appreciate you outlining what I had also noticed in the synastry, but it really helps when someone else points it out and walks you through it. You really made some good points!



Thank you!!! Happy that I helped!
Just now I saw your response to Todd and I took a look into your composite, which I didn't see thoroughly before, as I am not an expert.
But what stuck me was that in this yod pattern, Chiron is the apex and the opposing point is vertex! So chiron simultaneously conjuncts anti-vertex! (It's my little obsession I suppose! )
So I think this plays a major role, as maybe and I am making a hypothesis here, this chiron-antivertex conjunction is this weird feeling that you get " BUT, I get this feeling it would happen and we would be done with each other", as if it would end up to you hurting each other.
Apart from these, Uranus is on the Pluto-neptune midpoint (which is the basis of the yod, although uranus isn't the opposing point, but I sense it may play a role however), which maybe explains these sudden and unexpected moves that he makes the last 5 years.

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posted February 16, 2016 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you!!! Happy that I helped!
Just now I saw your response to Todd and I took a look into your composite, which I didn't see thoroughly before, as I am not an expert.
But what stuck me was that in this yod pattern, Chiron is the apex and the opposing point is vertex! So chiron simultaneously conjuncts anti-vertex! (It's my little obsession I suppose! )
So I think this plays a major role, as maybe and I am making a hypothesis here, this chiron-antivertex conjunction is this weird feeling that you get " BUT, I get this feeling it would happen and we would be done with each other", as if it would end up to you hurting each other.
Apart from these, Uranus is on the Pluto-neptune midpoint (which is the basis of the yod, although uranus isn't the opposing point, but I sense it may play a role however), which maybe explains these sudden and unexpected moves that he makes the last 5 years.


Yeah, I didn't even catch the vertex/anti-vertex with Chiron. I just pulled up these charts today because I was trying to figure out his advances by having info behind why they were happening.

I know he ran around on his last girlfriend. He told me himself and even pursued me while he was with her. I was married up until last year so I wouldn't go down that path. But now he knows I'm not married anymore and he is laying it on thick...lol. I sat here scratching my head with all the synastry interactions and then the composite, and thought LL would be the best place to get some various input. Still trying to wrap my head around it...

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posted February 16, 2016 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Yeah, I didn't even catch the vertex/anti-vertex with Chiron. I just pulled up these charts today because I was trying to figure out his advances by having info behind why they were happening.

I know he ran around on his last girlfriend. He told me himself and even pursued me while he was with her. I was married up until last year so I wouldn't go down that path. But now he knows I'm not married anymore and he is laying it on thick...lol. I sat here scratching my head with all the synastry interactions and then the composite, and thought LL would be the best place to get some various input. Still trying to wrap my head around it...



"But now he knows I'm not married anymore and he is laying it on thick...lol."
LOL

Maybe this weird feeling you get is caused by his unaspected Saturn in synastry, meaning you can't see him very seriously and in the long-run, as his Saturn makes no major aspects to your planets.
Secondly, your Sun is receiving only a square from Neptune, which might cause this confusion and a quinqunx from his Pluto, another "weird" aspect, as well. Sorry that I don't explain them very well lol

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posted February 16, 2016 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

"But now he knows I'm not married anymore and he is laying it on thick...lol."
LOL

Maybe this weird feeling you get is caused by his unaspected Saturn in synastry, meaning you can't see him very seriously and in the long-run, as his Saturn makes no major aspects to your planets.
Secondly, your Sun is receiving only a square from Neptune, which might cause this confusion and a quinqunx from his Pluto, another "weird" aspect, as well. Sorry that I don't explain them very well lol


I feel you. There's actually a 9 degree applying aspect between my Sun and his Saturn that does not show on the chart. Wide, I know.

My Sun also sextiles his ASC. Also applying.

I've thought about it, but something keeps pulling me back into my shell.

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posted February 16, 2016 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
I feel you. There's actually a 9 degree applying aspect between my Sun and his Saturn that does not show on the chart. Wide, I know.

My Sun also sextiles his ASC. Also applying.

I've thought about it, but something keeps pulling me back into my shell.



Have you checked your progressions? Maybe the timing isn't good after all or of course your gut may be right! As I already said maybe I have forgotten sth really important! Hope others will offer an opinion, too! Good luck
P.S. If I come up with sth in your synastry, I'll let you know!

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posted February 16, 2016 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Just pulled it.

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posted February 16, 2016 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mar! Good stuff.

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posted February 16, 2016 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:

Just pulled it.


If this is the progressed composite, someone will have to look it in comparison to the natals and progressed natals, I am not so good in composites yet, so I couldn' t tell you more about the progressed composite alone

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posted February 16, 2016 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thanks Mar! Good stuff.

You' re welcome!!!

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posted February 16, 2016 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it's the progressed composite for today. Looks like the moon will come close to Sun/Venus later this around autumn.

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posted February 16, 2016 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by llewsacm:
Yes, it's the progressed composite for today. Looks like the moon will come close to Sun/Venus later this around autumn.


Maybe something will happen around autumn? I am very confused about progressed composites myself, although I know that they do work! For example, when I met the man of my 7-year relationship, there was absolute correlation between the two progressed natals and when we broke up the progressed natals were also "separating" from each other! There are a lot of things that are important, transits, as well. Maybe you're going through a phase that isn't suitable for this situation, etc. I wish I could give you one definite answer, but maybe there are more than one!

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posted February 16, 2016 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for llewsacm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm throwing it out here in case it helps as folks decipher. I knew if Todd showed up I'd get a solid direction on the composite (thanks Todd). And its good to get feedback on the synastry. First thing that stood out to me where the nodes, and then how they lined up in the composite. Makes me think there's more under the surface but I'm a chicken. Lol.

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Hi, llewsacm,

I'm not gonna repeat the aspects that were mentioned previously. In the synastry you both have a Neptune-DC conjunction DW which makes that aspect powerful. Neptune-DC conjunction can create a lot confusion about the motivations of the partner. It's like the other is covered with fog or there's an aura of mystery or fantasy around the person and you can't see really well. Your Neptune rules your 10th (house of social projection), so I think you question yourself a lot about how that involvement could affect your social image. Your Neptune rules your MC, so that planet links that angle of your chart to his DC. This could be the reason why every once in while he runs after you: angles connections have a binding effect and, in this case, his ideal partner (DC) is linked to the image you project to the world (MC). Also his DC is in Sagittarius, a fire sign, so this could explain his straightforwardness. Besides the sexual attraction created by your Mars on his AC, there's something about your social image that attracts him. His Neptune rules his 11th house (friends, large/social groups) and is placed in his 8th house. When you mentioned before that he's kind of promiscuous, first thing that crossed my mind is that he's used to have sex with people that are part of his network (11th ruler in the 8th house). Your DC-Jupiter conjunct to his 8th house Neptune expands even more the sexual fantasies that he cultivates about you. It sounds really he sees you as a taboo fetish, maybe the fact that you're older and more mature (his Venus in Capricorn and your MC linked to his DC). This is particularly reinforced by his Saturn on your AC. Unconsciously, he probably sees you as someone who could help him to mature. You mentioned your gut feeling that he's only interested in a hook up and I honestly think you're right. I was checking the asteroids connections and his Nessus conjunct your Psyche. Nessus is abuse and Psyche is soul, psychic connection. I do think that the potential for you to get psychologically damaged is there if you both don't know how to handle the situation. Why do I say that? Another scenario is that he could not really commit to you since he has Saturn in the 7th house (it delays commitments and if it happens on a young age, Saturn usually breaks the relationship down). This is particular true if he didn't complete his Saturn return cause Saturn in the 7th only makes a serious commitment when there's total certainty about it and this certainty barely comes before the Saturn return is over. I saw you mentioned he's younger than you and noticed his Saturn is in Sagittarius, so he's still going through this maturation process. Saturn moves from Sagittarius to Capricorn only in December 2017. Sometimes the Saturn return brings significant relationships and as he has Venus in Cap, there's a possibility. Venus in Cap men look for structure and stability and that's why they feel strongly attracted to older and more mature women.

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