posted February 20, 2016 06:12 AM            

The TOB (ASC) person becomes an "event" for the natal person, and looking for major impact on angles/nodes/vx and the midpoints plus the Moon (another important eventful planet) corresponds to MAJOR event, impact on their life, being deeply touched (when the angles are touched) as opposed to a minor impact. Hence the good logic of Pamela Crane with the angles.

posted February 20, 2016 06:23 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Nah, I certainly wouldnīt use them to "validate" anything. I don`t even need asteroids to validate a strong synastry, (though some can be interesting in giving specific details).
You can`t miss a strong synastry, if you do, it wasn`t strong to begin with.

---

posted February 20, 2016 06:30 AM            

Mother brings in father Saturn conj ASC (less than 1) and it's interesting he has Moon conj ASC in his natal (1).

His Venus/POF opp Chiron sits on MC/IC, with POF/Venus conj MC (2).

He has 7 deg between Moon and NN in his natal, and here Moon conj NN (2)

His Moon/NN conj in the 1st translates with mom's TOB in his 7th.

His Aqua Sun moves from 4th to his 11th, where mom has her natal Sun in Sag. I think this shows how his Aqua energy was brought up by her in a significant way and how they share this energy by house translation.

There is a Moon/Saturn theme for him and of course the Venus on MC, a marital combo, plus showing his love with her (he has natal Venus in Cap 2nd, a more reserved Venus).

For mom

Her Sun/Psyche opp Uranus sits on the angles now, with Sun conj IC (3) and Psyche conj IC (0). BTW, my father has Sun conj Eros in his natal chart

The very interesting part is how her Sun moves into the 4th, replicating father's Sun stellium in the 4th, and her Moon moves to the 11th house. Another point of mirroring and finding a similar energy through the other.

The angles are in cross, so in fact this Sun/Uranus with Psyche touches all her Q angles.

posted February 20, 2016 06:31 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Spongebob:

Exactly. If you have to rely on q charts and asteroids, or natal to draconic and all that stuff, something is wrong.

---

posted February 20, 2016 06:57 AM            

For him

Moon conj IC (0)
Moon 14.52 Scorp
IC 15.06 Scorp

and his Moon conj my MC 0 in our synastry!

Interesting that Moon is his intercepted MC ruler in his natal chart. I suppose this contact shows a strong emotional impact, a sense of deep emotional transformative connection, yet with familiarity too, and it also qualifies as a fate marker, with the IC/NN destiny/incarnation symbolism.

In fact this transformational impact is also seen in his Sun translating to the 8th from the 6th, where it usually resides, and his Moon/Sun trine is heavily activated by me, which is very consistent with me making a Mystic Rectangle out of it in our synastry, with my Saturn, ASC/DSC, MC/IC, Sun. This impact on him reflects our synastry very well.

With this above symbolism, I bring out his Scorpio Moon a lot, so it seems.

Mercury/Jupiter/Eros conj DSC, on Eros Mercury mdp. Mercury is his chart ruler, and Jupiter his DSC and Sun ruler. So DSC ruler + chart ruler conj DSC is being triggered as symbolism.

DSC/ASC axis seems to be on the mdp on many other things, Venus/Pholus, Sun/Pallas etc. on first glance.

Union conj ASC exact 7 milliseconds

ASc conj my natal Vx/Amor exact.

Interesting also to see no more interception and his Mars moving in the middle of his 10th, coming out.

For me

Mars/Vertex/Union conj DSC (0) with Vx/DSC (0) and Mars less than 1.
it's uncanny

Interesting to see a Union theme in both charts.

Both my Sun and Moon are now in the 6th house, where he has his Sun in his natal, so it seems this 6th house energy is another mirror here, it makes sense since I am a Virgo and he is a Virgo ASC with Sun in the 6th.

But the most impressive thing is that my angles are now his, he has an angle cross on degrees 28-29, and now I have it here. So I think this means I feel and mirror his angle cross a lot, and this cross has a strong impact on me.

I think it's also interesting to consider the signs.

For example, his impact on me is to give me a Pisces ASC/Virgo DSC in Q. Which mirrors his own ASC/DSC axis in reverse. It's a bit like having a reverse ASC/DSC conj in synastry as symbolism. I probably react a lot like a Pisces/Virgo with him.

posted February 20, 2016 07:10 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Quotidian charts! I love this.
It's actually similar to transgressing any chart using a point of reference (such as solar charts, venus charts etc. and of course the Draconic as the main example).
For the Draconic, we translate the chart to 0 Aries thus symbolically see the chart of the nodal axis.
In this case, we translate the chart to the other's TOB and timezone also, and it's borrowed from the method Ceri describes, quotidian charts for daily events/days, a method to see the impact of a day/event on your natal chart by translation and I think like all the translations we do with charts, it has proven quite insightful already.

The TOB (ASC) person becomes an "event" for the natal person, and looking for major impact on angles/nodes/vx and the midpoints plus the Moon (another important eventful planet) corresponds to MAJOR event, impact on their life, being deeply touched (when the angles are touched) as opposed to a minor impact. Hence the good logic of Pamela Crane with the angles.

Of course, personally I think other things could be seen as well, specifically how you move their planets in the houses, that I think is revelatory, looking at overlays is an important part of event analysis for me. The angles however would be the essence here, as with all event analyses.

---

posted February 20, 2016 07:11 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Actually, all derivative methods only confirm the basic synastry, they don't make it stronger or weaker. If you have a strong synastry, it will be seen with all derivative methods, such as this one.

---

posted February 20, 2016 07:23 AM            

our Q-synastry is similiar.
He also "lends" me his Cross giving me a Pisces ASC which is right up my alley anyway (with my Draco ASC in Pisces and Neptune on the ASC in tropical natal).

I on the other hand give him a Sag-ASC (in fact MY Sag-ASC or close to it), right on his DESC-ruler Mercury

Another thing I find interesting is that our wide Moon-Sun-conjunction becomes closer.

in his Q-chart (so my birthtime, I am becoming the event for him?),

Moon 25°32 Sag
Sun 26°44 Sag
(1st house, which for him puts his original 5th house ruler and new 8th house ruler into 1st house)

and my Mercury 25°02 Sag
my Sun 25°56 Sag

Somehow his Moon lands right in between my Sun-Mercury-conjunction

(while originally in his birth chart it is on 28 Sag exact on his MC)

His birthtime in my chart however makes my Moon change about 2 degrees forwards (19 Aqua instead of 17). Interestingly enough that makes the trine to his pluto on 21 Libra closer.

Well it gives me a 12th house Moon (which originally was in the 2nd house), as ruler of the new 5th house and natal 8th house - well while we know what it ALSO can mean, I find it interesting how it seems that he always always sees me first, When Isee him anywhere, I can be sure he has known I am there for several minutes longer. lol
I donīt know how he manages to do that.

But somehow it fits with the Moon in 1st house for him, I am jsut more in his face I guess, while with the Moon in 12th house for me, I always feel that spiritual rumble when he is around. I mean even if I donīt see him first, I can always sense when he is in the room. Its almost like we can sniff each other (which is precisely what he did the first time we met, sniffing me, well my hair, but it just reminded me so much more of something animals would do rather than what is a normal human interaction, at least at first meeting. MOre instinctual than intellectual. I guess that is MOon-symbolism at least to a part. lol)

posted February 20, 2016 10:30 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Actually, all derivative methods only confirm the basic synastry, they don't make it stronger or weaker. If you have a strong synastry, it will be seen with all derivative methods, such as this one.

---

I haven't seen that be true actually. Usually people have weak synastry with someone then go digging for obscure techniques or making up some to convince themselves that they are a perfect fit for the other person.

If the standard synastry chart is that strong they don't bother doing that because theres no real need to.

posted February 20, 2016 11:08 AM            

However, I doubt that in a strong synastry the Q charts will be weak.
In fact I think if your synastry is strong, your Q chart will be, too, you just don`t know how to interprete them in that context.

posted February 20, 2016 11:09 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Orange:
I thought so too, Cer

---

posted February 20, 2016 11:23 AM            

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/q%20chart%20m_zpsgqy5xvff.gi f[/IMG]

posted February 20, 2016 12:02 PM            

Whatever Mars represents for you is being brought to the foreground, and you can`t help but respond to each other in a Martian way or experience Mars-energy together.

Of course there is some range of interpretation, could be about sexuality, passion, enthusiasm, energy, anger, fighting with or against each other, something physical (could even mean work out together. lol). Being active together.

Whatever it means however, it seems that you cannot deal with each other in a purely mental or spiritual way alone, there will always be that physical aspect, that needs to be expressed somehow. If left unchecked, it can indicate quarrelling, nagging, bickering, getting impatient and antagonistic. usually it is a sign of frustrated Mars energy because Mars would rather either fight (preferably with each other as a team) or "shag". Deny him the possibility and he can get really cranky.

posted February 20, 2016 12:05 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If it keeps popping up it is a theme, definitely.

Whatever Mars represents for you is being brought to the foreground, and you can`t help but respond to each other in a Martian way or experience Mars-energy together.

Of course there is some range of interpretation, could be about sexuality, passion, enthusiasm, energy, anger, fighting with or against each other, something physical (could even mean work out together. lol). Being active together.

Whatever it means however, it seems that you cannot deal with each other in a purely mental or spiritual well alone, there will always be that physical aspect, that needs to be expressed somehow. If left unchecked, it can indicate quarrelling, nagging, bickering, getting impatient and antagonistic. usually it is a sign of frustrated Mars energy because Mars would rather either fight (preferably with each other as a team) or shag. Deny him the possibility and he can get really cranky.

---

Thank you very much for your help and time!

posted February 20, 2016 12:05 PM            

Ok I have to look at midpoints now too (the harder part lol) and I still didn't look properly at the angles.

Edit.

posted February 20, 2016 12:42 PM            

Sunnya,

posted February 20, 2016 12:48 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Midpoint-DW, wow! That is strong, and emotionally electric and fascinating with Moon/Uranus.

---

Do you think so?? Thank you!!!

posted February 20, 2016 02:00 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sunnya,

love that you both bring out Juno in each other.

---