posted March 15, 2016 04:39 PM            

Can someone please explain how to create a Venus Return chart at astro.com?

posted March 15, 2016 04:47 PM            

I think for you it was 4th january 2016 at 12:32:20

posted March 15, 2016 04:59 PM            

Well I reconsidered, just for fun, this is our composite Venus-Return. LOL

posted March 15, 2016 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

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posted March 15, 2016 05:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s a pain in the butt...
You have to check when Tr Venus was EXACT conjunct your n Venus (degrees-minutes-seconds. lol)

I think for you it was 4th january 2016 at 12:32:20

(I used your birthplace - some would favour the location you are living at right now - and I might have your birthtime a little wrong, I have your aSC at 9.55 Leo, but am not sure, didn`t you rectify it? Anyway that would be a good place to start to readjust the time until it exactly hits, and it has to exactly hit for the angles to be correct. )

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Thank you!

Yes, rectified to 7 Leo (6:34 pm birth time)...makes a lot more sense that way.

posted March 15, 2016 05:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It`s a pain in the butt...
You have to check when Tr Venus was EXACT conjunct your n Venus (degrees-minutes-seconds. lol)

(I used your birthplace - some would favour the location you are living at right now -)

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Thanks for the info Ceri!

posted March 15, 2016 05:12 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Luckily...someone! lol
I was going to write down the same question just 1 minute ago, when I saw your post!
Thanx!

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posted March 15, 2016 05:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Well I reconsidered, just for fun, this is our composite Venus-Return. LOL

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posted March 15, 2016 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You're welcome Mar!

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Are you well Faith?
I told you hi yesterday lol, probably you didn't see it, but I thought whether I should ask how you are doing, and as always (good or bad) I chose to be spontaneous so I ask you!

posted March 15, 2016 05:21 PM            

No yod in my Venus return, so I gotta go off topic...my Venus Return has Mars right on the DSC, exactly square Mercury (did you get my email last night? Uh huh, Mars-DSC square Mercury.)

posted March 15, 2016 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Are you well Faith?
I told you hi yesterday lol, probably you didn't see it, but I thought whether I should ask how you are doing, and as always (good or bad) I chose to be spontaneous so I ask you!

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I'm actually super sleepy at the moment, you psychic you! I saw that you said HI, I meant to get back to the thread and forgot which one it was.

Thanks for asking ~ hope you are well?

I want to contribute to your "I SEE you" thread but need to build emotional strength for it. My moon is flaking out a lot and finding even simple things sorta hard to say.

posted March 15, 2016 05:26 PM            

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Mar,

posted March 15, 2016 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

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No problem for non commenting on the "I see you" thread, dont even think about it, I didn't mention it because of that! I was a bit lost from LL for a while too, there were some little troubles, but nothing serious! So I thought we hadn' t talked for a while and just thought to say hi, nothing more..Hope this doesn't sound weird, don't know, I almost always act as I feel lol..I don't make no sense, nevermind, maybe the eclipse got into me after all, even though I have only one personal planet in a mutable sign (moon in virgo)
LOL that's a lot of mumbo jumbo, I stop now!
Hang in there, it will pass! Wish you strength!

Going to read my venus return now! Shiny new thing in astrology!

posted March 15, 2016 06:56 PM            

Thank you!!!

Full confirmation that it's a sucky Venus year for me. All red lines except one.

Next year's yod looks nice, with the nodes running through it and all. Scorpio sun at a critical degree...yay? ETA: With Pluto right on my sun's degree both years, and Saturn conjunct Venus. Not having high hopes for anything here. LOL

Thanks again!

@Mar

heheheheh ~ Yup I got it. Nope doesn't sound weird. Hope your Venus Return looks promising

posted March 16, 2016 03:18 PM            

The critical degree could just mean that you feel at a crisis point in your love life...or perhaps you feel like change is somehow on the horizon. The moon-Venus opposition could create an inner tension that is giving rise to inner dynamics that will change how you relate to people, perhaps?

posted March 16, 2016 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Ceri, sorry for the beginners questions, but after we post this chart, we compare it to the natal and/or we examine the VR chart itself? Oh, and in the first case, how much orb is allowed in general?

I found the exact minute! 3 40' 28'' LOL

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There are probably different ways to read it.
But I would first read it on its own to grasp its "gestalt" or "basic message/premise", and then relate it to the natal (tight conjunctions and oppositions to natal especially and overlays, seeing which natal houses are tenanted).

Here is a bit of a checklist

http://jotracey.com.au/venus-returns-part-2/

Personally I first and foremost check within the Venus-return-chart for:

° conjunctions with the angles within let`s say 5-6 degrees (but those are already pretty wide)

° conjunctions or stellia in certain houses and signs, and if finding those, checking other aspects to that "lump"

° major aspectconfigurations (A yod or Kite definitely will jump out at you - I keep the orb to 3-5 degrees at most though, as I noticed that for example in eventcharts andyhting above the 3 degree orb seems to fall flat and fizzle out, getting vague. Celeste Teal also names the 3 degrees orb for checking for conjunction and oppositions with ecclipses, and since the Return charts are basically transit-charts, that is my guideline. 3 degrees. If angles or luminaries are aspected, maybe up to 5 degrees, but with a bit of "I don`t know if I might be grasping for straws here" feeling)

° the condition of Venus. VERY important, as it is the Venus-returnchart

° but I also check Sun and Moon (as the luminaries are ALWAYS important), the nodal axis (being pulled towards a certain purpose in Venusian relations) and the Vertex (unexpected headturning encounters)

° But really planets on the angles, stellia, aspectconfigurations, conjunction to Sun and Moon and the condition of Venus will already show us what is going to be important in that year or cycle. If it is not mentioned there, it will probably not be of major importance

° Personally I also peak at the direct midpoint pictures within 1 degree orb approximately, this will pick up important symmetrical aspectconfigurations.

For example my Solar Return has

Pluto trine MC
Venus sextile Pluto
Venus sextile MC

All in all looking nice but not too strong, however this comes with the midpoint picture of

Venus conjunct Pluto/MC 0°07

And THAT somehow vibrates differently, more intense somehow and illustrates quite clearly that Venus is in the focus here.
Of course it is sort of a repetition of a natal configuration for me, though in smoother ways (natally I have Pluto conjunct MC and square Venus) - that is also something you might want to look out for, if natal aspects or connections are coming up in a return chart as well, this might highlight a timeframe when this particular natal aspect gets into the "spotlight" and depending on what kind of aspects are being formed, it might get easier or more difficult to manifest this aspect.

posted March 16, 2016 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

There are probably different ways to read it.
But I would first read it on its own to grasp its "gestalt" or "basic message/premise", and then relate it to the natal (tight conjunctions and oppositions to natal especially and overlays, seeing which natal houses are tenanted).

Here is a bit of a checklist

http://jotracey.com.au/venus-returns-part-2/

Personally I first and foremost check within the Venus-return-chart for:

° conjunctions with the angles within let`s say 5-6 degrees (but those are already pretty wide)

° conjunctions or stellia in certain houses and signs, and if finding those, checking other aspects to that "lump"

° major aspectconfigurations (A yod or Kite definitely will jump out at you - I keep the orb to 3-5 degrees at most though, as I noticed that for example in eventcharts andyhting above the 3 degree orb seems to fall flat and fizzle out, getting vague. Celeste Teal also names the 3 degrees orb for checking for conjunction and oppositions with ecclipses, and since the Return charts are basically transit-charts, that is my guideline. 3 degrees. If angles or luminaries are aspected, maybe up to 5 degrees, but with a bit of "I don`t know if I might be grasping for straws here" feeling)

° the condition of Venus. VERY important, as it is the Venus-returnchart

° but I also check Sun and Moon (as the luminaries are ALWAYS important), the nodal axis (being pulled towards a certain purpose in Venusian relations) and the Vertex (unexpected headturning encounters)

° But really planets on the angles, stellia, aspectconfigurations, conjunction to Sun and Moon and the condition of Venus will already show us what is going to be important in that year or cycle. If it is not mentioned there, it will probably not be of major importance

° Personally I also peak at the direct midpoint pictures within 1 degree orb approximately, this will pick up important symmetrical aspectconfigurations.

For example my Solar Return has

Pluto trine MC
Venus sextile Pluto
Venus sextile MC

All in all looking nice but not too strong, however this comes with the midpoint picture of

Venus conjunct Pluto/MC 0°07

And THAT somehow vibrates differently, more intense somehow and illustrates quite clearly that Venus is in the focus here.
Of course it is sort of a repetition of a natal configuration for me, though in smoother ways (natally I have Pluto conjunct MC and square Venus) - that is also something you might want to look out for, if natal aspects or connections are coming up in a return chart as well, this might highlight a timeframe when this particular natal aspect gets into the "spotlight" and depending on what kind of aspects are being formed, it might get easier or more difficult to manifest this aspect.

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LOL, I was just respoding in the other thread, haha!
Thank you Ceri for the explanation and the link, I am reading your post and the link right now, it's long and I just saw it lol!

posted March 16, 2016 06:06 PM            

Jupiter conj. NN 15 Virgo
square Mercury 12 Gemini
square SN 15 Pisces and Neptune 12 Pisces
square Saturn 12 Sag

As for the condition of Venus, it is conjunct the Sun within 3 d. and opposite the Moon exact. No other aspects I hope that's good or maybe not so bad?!
Now I am going to re-read your analysis